Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Tea Shock

J Mysterio wrote: »

46% percent for Tories and Brexit party between them. Lord above.

That's around where it has been all along in nearly all opinion polls - save the odd outlier!

26000 Elephants

J Mysterio wrote: »

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

Corbynism continues its downward spiral

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1179326517970644993

46% percent for Tories and Brexit party between them. Lord above.

Those figures probably include a sizeable proportion of people who either want to remain or want some deal, but would rather gnaw their own arms off than vote for Corbyn.

How different would things be if Labour had a more palatable, pragmatic and charismatic leader?

quokula

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

Corbynism continues its downward spiral

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1179326517970644993

Yougov consistently have swing a good 10% from Labour to Cons compared to all the other polling companies. I've no idea why that is. It does mean they get quoted the most by people trying to portray a certain narrative though.

ComRes have Labour and Tories neck and neck, and most others have them within a few points of eachother.

Given how much closer Labour are looking now than they were pre-election in 2017, the Tories will be pretty worried about how things will go when the media is forced to cover Labour's policies and the public starts to actually think about who to vote for.

begsbyOnaTrain

quokula wrote: »

Yougov consistently have swing a good 10% from Labour to Cons compared to all the other polling companies. I've no idea why that is. It does mean they get quoted the most by people trying to portray a certain narrative though.

ComRes have Labour and Tories neck and neck, and most others have them within a few points of eachother.

Opinium from a few days ago has Tories 36% and Labour at 24% - https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-polling-11th-september-2019-2/

That seems to be the most recent before this Yougov one.

quokula

quokula wrote: »

Given how much closer Labour are looking now than they were pre-election in 2017, the Tories will be pretty worried about how things will go when the media is forced to cover Labour's policies and the public starts to actually think about who to vote for.

Labour has policies :eek:

Junkyard Tom

It's up to parliament to put an end to Bojo's clown show now.

FunLover18

She reminds of Robyn from The Thick Of It

https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1179361530011439106?s=19

Ash.J.Williams

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's up to parliament to put an end to Bojo's clown show now.

they can do nothing. It's no deal or civil war! Boris has the support.

ohnonotgmail

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

they can do nothing. It's no deal or civil war! Boris has the support.

or the queen sacks him when he ignores an act of parliament.

Ash.J.Williams

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

or the queen sacks him when he ignores an act of parliament.

boris has more support than the queen! it would be the tower for her!

ohnonotgmail

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

boris has more support than the queen! it would be the tower for her!

he does in his arse.

LiamoSail

J Mysterio wrote: »

46% percent for Tories and Brexit party between them. Lord above.

Their support in England must be pushing 60%. That says a lot about England

Imreoir2

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

they can do nothing. It's no deal or civil war! Boris has the support.

Parliament is soverign, they can do anything the choose. I think talking about civil war is alarmist nonsence, the people of Britain respect democracy and will never rebel against their own parliament regardless of what a few populists polititions or advisors would like to dream about.

knipex

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Those figures probably include a sizeable proportion of people who either want to remain or want some deal, but would rather gnaw their own arms off than vote for Corbyn.

How different would things be if Labour had a more palatable, pragmatic and charismatic leader?

Or.. I dont know.. anyone else. even a... a cute puppy

LiamoSail

LiamoSail wrote: »

Their support in England must be pushing 60%. That says a lot about England

that they don't like Corbyn's brand of 1970s socialism and they think the Liberals are wishy washy?

downcow

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

boris has more support than the queen! it would be the tower for her!

This is the reality. Roi has led the eu into an impossible position.
The UK people want to leave (or rather a majority of them) and the eu,Westminster, and roi don’t want to accept their democratic wishes.
The majority are happy that boris seems to be having integrity with the majority. But if he goes against the people he will fall and the brexit party will triumph.
I really wish the eu and roi would stop abusing the gfa and our peace and get down to serious negotiations on how brexit can respect the integrity of the UK and yet be as positive as possible for UK,roi, and eu

Dyr

downcow wrote: »

This is the reality. Roi has led the eu into an impossible position.
The UK people want to leave (or rather a majority of them) and the eu,Westminster, and roi don’t want to accept their democratic wishes.
The majority are happy that boris seems to be having integrity with the majority. But if he goes against the people he will fall and the brexit party will triumph.
I really wish the eu and roi would stop abusing the gfa and our peace and get down to serious negotiations on how brexit can respect the integrity of the UK and yet be as positive as possible for UK,roi, and eu

The UK can leave whenever the f**k it likes, but it hasn't

Of course the GFA has them over a barrel for trying to change the status of NI, just as it should. Sickener eh?

downcow

Bambi wrote: »

The UK can leave whenever the f**k it likes, but it hasn't

Of course the GFA has them over a barrel for trying to change the status of NI, just as it should. Sickener eh?

Well this proposal recognised the two communities in ni. Up to this point seemed only nationalist concerns mattered. This brings some equality. Sickener eh.
....and exactly what barrel do you think UK is over. (As you type this while stretched over a barrel lol)

downcow

Bambi wrote: »

The UK can leave whenever the f**k it likes, but it hasn't
eh?

31st October. We are away You’ll be relieved. Then we can start talking about how we can be good neighbours and support each other’s economies

Odhinn

downcow wrote: »

This is the reality. Roi has led the eu into an impossible position.
.............

Total and utter nonsense. The "impossible position" is due to a few members of the British elite juggling for position amongst themselves and having it all backfire on them.

26000 Elephants

downcow wrote: »

....and exactly what barrel do you think UK is over. (As you type this while stretched over a barrel lol)

As soon as you try and negotiate a deal in isolation with the US you will find out exactly what barrel you have been bent over.

Nobbies

The e.u wii accept boris johnson,s new proposals all be after a few tweaks. Why?

the alternatives are more uncertain. he has being adamant there will be no extension asked for by him.
even if he were to resign and leave it to someone else to ask for a extension there would be a general election in the u.k soon after.
that would do one of two things.
it would change everything into the tories favour and leave them with the dup again if they needed them or else return a parliament similar to the one currently there which has really being a impasse.
if the latter were to happen we would only be back here again with more carry on delaying progress.
the former would give boris the go ahead for a no deal early next year
so when the e.u weight it all up thats how it will have to be viewed.

davedanon

I'd like to respond to that, but in all honesty, I can't for the life of me understand it.

Nobbies

davedanon wrote: »

I'd like to respond to that, but in all honesty, I can't for the life of me understand it.

Don't concern. school starts for you at 9 am sharp.

quokula

Aegir wrote: »

Labour has policies :eek:

This sort of extreme ignorance is why the numbers move so much once election campaigning starts and more people actually engage their brains.

davedanon

Nobbies wrote: »

Don't concern. school starts for you at 9 am sharp.

School is for people who are unable to construct proper sentences, such as yourself.

FunLover18

Johnson to prorogue parliament again from Oct 8 to the following Monday. What a sh*t.

McDermotX

Maybe that welfare case he has to go to in order to do that should tell him to piss off this time, rather than looking like a fool again.

twinytwo

Nobbies wrote: »

The e.u wii accept boris johnson,s new proposals all be after a few tweaks. Why?

the alternatives are more uncertain. he has being adamant there will be no extension asked for by him.
even if he were to resign and leave it to someone else to ask for a extension there would be a general election in the u.k soon after.
that would do one of two things.
it would change everything into the tories favour and leave them with the dup again if they needed them or else return a parliament similar to the one currently there which has really being a impasse.
if the latter were to happen we would only be back here again with more carry on delaying progress.
the former would give boris the go ahead for a no deal early next year
so when the e.u weight it all up thats how it will have to be viewed.

No they won't. Ignoring everything else wrong with it. Boris essentially hands complete control of NI to the DUP. That alone is enough to kick NI off again

downcow

twinytwo wrote: »

No they won't. Ignoring everything else wrong with it. Boris essentially hands complete control of NI to the DUP. That alone is enough to kick NI off again

Explain how he’s handing control of ni to dup