Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

cryptocurrency

26000 Elephants wrote: »

But we will always have Arlene....

Good idea. I would still bet that when the UK does great and NI is still totally dependent on it for trade then the cross roads will still be there.

Where do we sign?

Stop moaning ffs

26000 Elephants wrote: »

But we will always have Arlene....

We wouldn’t. She said she could never live in a United Ireland. She’s about to get sacked by her party anyways.

RHI report is due November. She’s all kinds of fvcked personally and politically.

Stop moaning ffs

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Good idea. I would still bet that when the UK does great and NI is still totally dependent on it for trade then the cross roads will still be there.

Where do we sign?

Sign here here here here here and here. Then sign here here here here here and here. And here and here

cryptocurrency wrote: »

What developments are you expecting? Millennium bug 2.0

Official British government customs forms for people exporting and importing.
Millennium bug me hole

https://twitter.com/ballantine70/status/1181864495569920000

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Good idea. I would still bet that when the UK does great and NI is still totally dependent on it for trade then the cross roads will still be there.

Where do we sign?

Can you show me any study or report where the UK benefits from Brexit?

cryptocurrency

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Sign here here here here here and here. Then sign here here here here here and here. And here and here



Official British government customs forms for people exporting and importing.
Millennium bug me hole

https://twitter.com/ballantine70/status/1181864495569920000

That's a flow chart. Where is the forms?

cryptocurrency

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Can you show me any study or report where the UK benefits from Brexit?

Anything not written by socialists or statists.

Try the IEA or the Adam Smith Inst.

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Anything not written by socialists or statists.

Try the IEA or the Adam Smith Inst.

Quick Google told me the IEA are a conservative think tank that were forced to withdraw their report over conflict of interest and mystery donations.

They and Adam Smith have received millions in backing from conservative groups to push a pro Brexit agenda.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/28/us-groups-raise-millions-to-support-rightwing-uk-thinktanks

Granted the source is the Guardian, who are very anti Brexit, but I can't find anything else that's recent or from reputable source.

So again, can you provide any reports that show how Brexit is positive. Anything neutral at all. Any reputable sources?

ohnonotgmail

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Quick Google told me the IEA are a conservative think tank that were forced to withdraw their report over conflict of interest and mystery donations.

They and Adam Smith have received millions in backing from conservative groups to push a pro Brexit agenda.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/28/us-groups-raise-millions-to-support-rightwing-uk-thinktanks

Granted the source is the Guardian, who are very anti Brexit, but I can't find anything else that's recent or from reputable source.

So again, can you provide any reports that show how Brexit is positive. Anything neutral at all. Any reputable sources?

or even something from an official government source. There must be loads of government reports saying how great it is going to be.

26000 Elephants

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

or even something from an official government source. There must be loads of government reports saying how great it is going to be.

Nope. None there either. The Treasury have been pretty unambiguous about the cliff UK trade is about to go over post no deal brexit, but most brexiteers will dismiss them with "What do those statists know?"

ohnonotgmail

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Nope. None there either. The Treasury have been pretty unambiguous about the cliff UK trade is about to go over post no deal brexit, but most brexiteers will dismiss them with "What do those statists know?"

the question was in jest but, yes, even the government admit it will be a ****show

J Mysterio

https://twitter.com/DectorBond/status/1181392157153710080

cryptocurrency

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Quick Google told me the IEA are a conservative think tank that were forced to withdraw their report over conflict of interest and mystery donations.

They and Adam Smith have received millions in backing from conservative groups to push a pro Brexit agenda.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/28/us-groups-raise-millions-to-support-rightwing-uk-thinktanks

Granted the source is the Guardian, who are very anti Brexit, but I can't find anything else that's recent or from reputable source.

So again, can you provide any reports that show how Brexit is positive. Anything neutral at all. Any reputable sources?

You think the guardian is reputable? Do you find giving sources like them credit has made you poorer? You know, life decisions, outlook etc.. I'm interested.

26000 Elephants

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Nope. None there either. The Treasury have been pretty unambiguous about the cliff UK trade is about to go over post no deal brexit, but most brexiteers will dismiss them with "What do those statists know?"

the question was in jest but, yes, even the government admit it will be a ****show

Yeah, I got that! . But the economic realities as explained by those who understand these things, when compared to the mindless optimism shilled by our crypto friend are beyond parody.

From a 2018 paper from the Treasury:

In the ‘Canada’ case, the Treasury estimates that Brexit would reduce UK trade by up to 19%
(Table 3.A) and FDI inflows would fall by up to 20% (Table 3.B). This is how much trade
would fall by if, instead of being in the EU, the UK simply had a ‘deep’ FTA like the imminent
EU-Canada deal.

cryptocurrency

Gary North posted this on the Mises Institute Forum

I have a solution. Parliament does not have to accept any agreement. No agreement is necessary.

Here is my Brexit solution. Parliament votes for this law.

Her Majesty's government adopts a policy of zero tariffs and zero import quotas, beginning tomorrow.

That's it? That's it!

There would be no negotiations with foreign countries. There would be nothing to negotiate.

If exporters located in EU countries want to sell something to the Brits, good for them. If there are Brits who like the products and accept them, good for them.

Tariffs are simply sales taxes on imported goods. Anytime a government cuts taxes, that is positive.

Revenues to the government would fall. This is also good.

Import quotas don't generate any revenues. There shouldn't be any import quotas.

Would trade go up between buyers in Great Britain and sellers in the European Union? You bet it would. Everybody likes to be able to sell at a discount, and, overnight, exporters to Great Britain would find that their goods now sell at a discount. No sales taxes are tacked onto the goods.

Would this be good for British buyers? Of course. Who wants to pay sales taxes?

Would financial companies leave Great Britain? No. Why should they? All of a sudden, the whole world would want to sell goods to residents of Great Britain. The doors would be open wide. If it's good for trade, it's good for finance.

If Great Britain did this, its economy would not sink. Other countries in the European Union would figure out that the benefits of staying inside the EU don't compensate for the liabilities associated with the surrender of national sovereignty. Anyway, a substantial minority of voters in those countries would figure this out. All it would take would be a policy of zero tariffs. In other words, all it would take would be a reduction of taxes. "We're outta here!"

No nation needs to sign a 500-page agreement in order to leave the EU profitably. It simply leaves the EU, abolishes tariffs and quotas, and starts trading.

Come one, come all! Let's make a deal!

Professor Moriarty

J Mysterio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DectorBond/status/1181392157153710080

That's very clever.

ohnonotgmail

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Gary North posted this on the Mises Institute Forum

I have a solution. Parliament does not have to accept any agreement. No agreement is necessary.

Here is my Brexit solution. Parliament votes for this law.

Her Majesty's government adopts a policy of zero tariffs and zero import quotas, beginning tomorrow.

That's it? That's it!

There would be no negotiations with foreign countries. There would be nothing to negotiate.

If exporters located in EU countries want to sell something to the Brits, good for them. If there are Brits who like the products and accept them, good for them.

Tariffs are simply sales taxes on imported goods. Anytime a government cuts taxes, that is positive.

Revenues to the government would fall. This is also good.

Import quotas don't generate any revenues. There shouldn't be any import quotas.

Would trade go up between buyers in Great Britain and sellers in the European Union? You bet it would. Everybody likes to be able to sell at a discount, and, overnight, exporters to Great Britain would find that their goods now sell at a discount. No sales taxes are tacked onto the goods.

Would this be good for British buyers? Of course. Who wants to pay sales taxes?

Would financial companies leave Great Britain? No. Why should they? All of a sudden, the whole world would want to sell goods to residents of Great Britain. The doors would be open wide. If it's good for trade, it's good for finance.

If Great Britain did this, its economy would not sink. Other countries in the European Union would figure out that the benefits of staying inside the EU don't compensate for the liabilities associated with the surrender of national sovereignty. Anyway, a substantial minority of voters in those countries would figure this out. All it would take would be a policy of zero tariffs. In other words, all it would take would be a reduction of taxes. "We're outta here!"

No nation needs to sign a 500-page agreement in order to leave the EU profitably. It simply leaves the EU, abolishes tariffs and quotas, and starts trading.

Come one, come all! Let's make a deal!

that must be the stupidest idea yet and i am embarrassed for you that you posted it.

screamer

You can’t please everyone. UK don’t want a deal they want the deal they want. EU doesn’t want to give them that..... hard Brexit it is so. Hardest part is that we’ll suffer more for the UKs choices than they will.... but sure history repeats itself and we in Ireland learn nothing.

Eric Cartman

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Gary North posted this on the Mises Institute Forum

I have a solution. Parliament does not have to accept any agreement. No agreement is necessary.

Here is my Brexit solution. Parliament votes for this law.

Her Majesty's government adopts a policy of zero tariffs and zero import quotas, beginning tomorrow.

That's it? That's it!

There would be no negotiations with foreign countries. There would be nothing to negotiate.

If exporters located in EU countries want to sell something to the Brits, good for them. If there are Brits who like the products and accept them, good for them.

Tariffs are simply sales taxes on imported goods. Anytime a government cuts taxes, that is positive.

Revenues to the government would fall. This is also good.

Import quotas don't generate any revenues. There shouldn't be any import quotas.

Would trade go up between buyers in Great Britain and sellers in the European Union? You bet it would. Everybody likes to be able to sell at a discount, and, overnight, exporters to Great Britain would find that their goods now sell at a discount. No sales taxes are tacked onto the goods.

Would this be good for British buyers? Of course. Who wants to pay sales taxes?

Would financial companies leave Great Britain? No. Why should they? All of a sudden, the whole world would want to sell goods to residents of Great Britain. The doors would be open wide. If it's good for trade, it's good for finance.

If Great Britain did this, its economy would not sink. Other countries in the European Union would figure out that the benefits of staying inside the EU don't compensate for the liabilities associated with the surrender of national sovereignty. Anyway, a substantial minority of voters in those countries would figure this out. All it would take would be a policy of zero tariffs. In other words, all it would take would be a reduction of taxes. "We're outta here!"

No nation needs to sign a 500-page agreement in order to leave the EU profitably. It simply leaves the EU, abolishes tariffs and quotas, and starts trading.

Come one, come all! Let's make a deal!

its not about the imports to the uk.....its about the exports to other countries.... and well possibly the imports too, allowing unlimited cheap beef or fish or anything else britain can produce could leave a lot of people out of work, if other countries tarriffed imports from britain you could end up with their economy dying on its feet. thats a very simplistic and one sided answer to a problem they didn't really have.

Infini

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that must be the stupidest idea yet and i am embarrassed for you that you posted it.

File anything posted under "Cancer of Human Stupidity".

No logic, no merit, no coherence.

The guy is like many of those Brexiteer types, full of opinion and lacking in factual competence. A headbanger. Not interested in logical debate or arguments quick to jump at the latest posting from the Unicorn Party, Murdoch shítposting machine or conspiracy forum but not interested in logical factual debate. It's a waste of time to argue as they're only interested in arguing not accepting fact's.

It's nothing to be embarrased about just to be ignored or ridiculed as the delusional bull it is.

screamer wrote: »

You can’t please everyone. UK don’t want a deal they want the deal they want. EU doesn’t want to give them that..... hard Brexit it is so. Hardest part is that we’ll suffer more for the UKs choices than they will.... but sure history repeats itself and we in Ireland learn nothing.

Truthfully it aint over till the fat lady sings. If Boris doesnt request an extention he's dead politically as he'll be removed. There's also reports of threats of mass resignations from the party and cabinet by one nation members if a no deal becomes likely. Those are idiots for going along with this fiasco for so long but they're not complete idiots they know in a no deal scenario they'll be facing down a barrel of a gun at that point. Realistically I can see parliament in the event of a no deal about to happen going for the nuclear option and pullnng the plug altogether with an A50 withdrawal. Having to deal with the headbanger brexiteers whinging about not getting their unicorn is nothing compared to dealing with riots and the anger of normal people stripped of their rights, benefits, their savings devalued and the sheer chaos inflicted on them by bellended politicians putting ideology before the country.

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

We wouldn’t. She said she could never live in a United Ireland. She’s about to get sacked by her party anyways.

RHI report is due November. She’s all kinds of fvcked personally and politically.

If there's enough sanity up the north anyone with sense would vote for the Alliance party, the DUP are headbangers and always have been but the difference is they've been shown as the failures they are in all of this, igonrant, incompetent and idiotic. Unfit for any sort of goverment and unfit for the assembly. They need to be jettisoned as the failures and fools they are.

J Mysterio

https://twitter.com/MothTwiceborn/status/1181841469507854337?s=20

ancapailldorcha

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its not about the imports to the uk.....its about the exports to other countries.... and well possibly the imports too, allowing unlimited cheap beef or fish or anything else britain can produce could leave a lot of people out of work, if other countries tarriffed imports from britain you could end up with their economy dying on its feet. thats a very simplistic and one sided answer to a problem they didn't really have.

Britain doesn't really export very much to be honest. The UK is mainly a service-based econmy - banking, pensions, accounting, law, etc... Tariffs on British meat and fish meant very little IMO considering how many trade deals the EU has signed already. At most, it'll just have to modulate its strategy there.

Junkyard Tom

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Her Majesty's government adopts a policy of zero tariffs and zero import quotas, beginning tomorrow.

Britain used to impose that on vassal states to keep them impoverished and to prevent native industry from developing.

irishproduce

Someone may have asked this so sorry if they have.
But why does Boris insist we must leave on October 31st with or without a deal?
Why do rte and many politicians insist "we are preparing for a no deal brexit"?

There is an act in UK Parliament that says this is not allowed legally and an extension will happen as a result.
Why do I constantly hear this no deal brexit on 31st talk continue then?

Am I missing something?

Imreoir2

Padre_Pio wrote: »

F*ck it, tell BJ the backstop is only temporary. 5 years and we'll revisit it.

After 5 years of plain sailing, no one is going to want to revisit it and be back where we are now.

Yeah, Leo should tell him that we can look at it again in a few years under a border comission, after the UK signs up to the unless and until backstop in the WA.

Imreoir2

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Gary North posted this on the Mises Institute Forum

I have a solution. Parliament does not have to accept any agreement. No agreement is necessary.

Here is my Brexit solution. Parliament votes for this law.

Her Majesty's government adopts a policy of zero tariffs and zero import quotas, beginning tomorrow.

That's it? That's it!

There would be no negotiations with foreign countries. There would be nothing to negotiate.

If exporters located in EU countries want to sell something to the Brits, good for them. If there are Brits who like the products and accept them, good for them.

Tariffs are simply sales taxes on imported goods. Anytime a government cuts taxes, that is positive.

Revenues to the government would fall. This is also good.

Import quotas don't generate any revenues. There shouldn't be any import quotas.

Would trade go up between buyers in Great Britain and sellers in the European Union? You bet it would. Everybody likes to be able to sell at a discount, and, overnight, exporters to Great Britain would find that their goods now sell at a discount. No sales taxes are tacked onto the goods.

Would this be good for British buyers? Of course. Who wants to pay sales taxes?

Would financial companies leave Great Britain? No. Why should they? All of a sudden, the whole world would want to sell goods to residents of Great Britain. The doors would be open wide. If it's good for trade, it's good for finance.

If Great Britain did this, its economy would not sink. Other countries in the European Union would figure out that the benefits of staying inside the EU don't compensate for the liabilities associated with the surrender of national sovereignty. Anyway, a substantial minority of voters in those countries would figure this out. All it would take would be a policy of zero tariffs. In other words, all it would take would be a reduction of taxes. "We're outta here!"

No nation needs to sign a 500-page agreement in order to leave the EU profitably. It simply leaves the EU, abolishes tariffs and quotas, and starts trading.

Come one, come all! Let's make a deal!

We can only hope the UK is this foolish.

Kermit.de.frog

screamer wrote: »

Hardest part is that we’ll suffer more for the UKs choices than they will....

How?

Irish exports to the UK are 12.5% of our total exports.

UK exports to EU are 48% of their total exports.

Make no mistake the UK will be taking far more pain than anyone else in a no deal.

The EU will act to restrict access to EU markets for the UK in a no deal. It's not going to be pretty.

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Gary North posted this on the Mises Institute Forum

I have a solution. Parliament does not have to accept any agreement. No agreement is necessary.

Here is my Brexit solution. Parliament votes for this law.

Her Majesty's government adopts a policy of zero tariffs and zero import quotas, beginning tomorrow.

That's it? That's it!

There would be no negotiations with foreign countries. There would be nothing to negotiate.

If exporters located in EU countries want to sell something to the Brits, good for them. If there are Brits who like the products and accept them, good for them.

Tariffs are simply sales taxes on imported goods. Anytime a government cuts taxes, that is positive.

Revenues to the government would fall. This is also good.

Import quotas don't generate any revenues. There shouldn't be any import quotas.

Would trade go up between buyers in Great Britain and sellers in the European Union? You bet it would. Everybody likes to be able to sell at a discount, and, overnight, exporters to Great Britain would find that their goods now sell at a discount. No sales taxes are tacked onto the goods.

Would this be good for British buyers? Of course. Who wants to pay sales taxes?

Would financial companies leave Great Britain? No. Why should they? All of a sudden, the whole world would want to sell goods to residents of Great Britain. The doors would be open wide. If it's good for trade, it's good for finance.

If Great Britain did this, its economy would not sink. Other countries in the European Union would figure out that the benefits of staying inside the EU don't compensate for the liabilities associated with the surrender of national sovereignty. Anyway, a substantial minority of voters in those countries would figure this out. All it would take would be a policy of zero tariffs. In other words, all it would take would be a reduction of taxes. "We're outta here!"

No nation needs to sign a 500-page agreement in order to leave the EU profitably. It simply leaves the EU, abolishes tariffs and quotas, and starts trading.

Come one, come all! Let's make a deal!

Thought a lot of this was satire mocking No Deal Leavers, but apparently it's legit. He calls himself a Tea Party Economist on his website. You've picked your heroes well, crypto.

Doesn't solve the Irish border as it doesn't deal with standards.
Nukes British industry once and for all.
Removes all incentives for any country in the world to do a trade deal with the UK.
Doesn't solve anything related to services.
Removes all customs taxes and lowers VAT take.
etc.

I would love if GB did this. Not because I'm Irish, but because I live in Vietnam and it would be great for industry here.

cryptocurrency

Deleted User wrote: »

Thought a lot of this was satire mocking No Deal Leavers, but apparently it's legit. He calls himself a Tea Party Economist on his website. You've picked your heroes well, crypto.

Doesn't solve the Irish border as it doesn't deal with standards.
Nukes British industry once and for all.
Removes all incentives for any country in the world to do a trade deal with the UK.
Doesn't solve anything related to services.
Removes all customs taxes and lowers VAT take.
etc.

I would love if GB did this. Not because I'm Irish, but because I live in Vietnam and it would be great for industry here.

Either way it doesn't matter for TEFL Teachers, they are just people running from life.

Peregrinus

The issue is not so much TEFL teachers as workers in British industry and British agriculture, most of whom are going to lose their jobs and businesses under this plan. Obviously the UK will not be well-positioned to export anything, since UK goods will face WTO default tariffs in every country in the world and no other country will have any incentive to make a trade deal to abate these. And UK producers selling into the domestic market will be undercut by unrestricted tariff-free imports from low-cost producers in the rest of the world.

As you point out, revenue to the UK government will fall - not just because it will have no tariff revenue, but because income tax, corporation tax and business rates receipts all crash when profits slump, businesses close and employment contracts dramatically. At the same time government expenditure will be rising sharply as the cost of welfare balloons, various industries seek emergency relief packages and an electorate which has been promised a "brexit dividend" demands that the promise be honoured. So the UK is plunged into a budgetary crisis.

Essentially this plan requires the UK economy to be reinvented as an exporter of low-cost services. But there's only so many redundant craftsmen, bankrupt entrepreneurs and dispossessed farmers who can be retrained as 24-hour call-centre operatives. This isn't going to work on any level.

Even if you're prepared to justify the national economic suicide that this plan involves, I don't think any UK government could survive the political blowback that an attempt to implement it would generate. This plan is a bad joke.

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Either way it doesn't matter for TEFL Teachers, they are just people running from life.

But it does matter, a lot actually. Just like the TEFL world is becoming inundated with white South Africans, I fear that wages will drop even further when millions of young British people realise they can do TEFL instead of drawing the dole after a No Deal. Young Brits are already arriving and others are delaying going back.

Thankfully, I've got my own business up and running during my escape from life. You might have missed my posts in the entrepreneurship forum.

You shouldn't be accusing people of running from life when you yourself run a mile from a simple argument. In the last few days, you've really stepped up the personal attacks when confronted with just about anything you don't like. A dying troll I believe someone else called it.