Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

RobMc59

Dytalus wrote: »

Meanwhile France has one in the Charles de Gaulle - the only nuclear powered aircraft carrier completed outside of the US Navy - Italy has two, and Spain has one.

But yeah, the UK's going to threaten the EU once Boris gets his majority. Perfectly sensible way forward in this.

Britain as a founder member of NATO is hardly likely to threaten it`s fellow members,I`d be more worried about the belligerent noises coming out of Turkey by Erdogan towards the EU which is bizarre as they are also in NATO-the russians must be lapping all this up!

Dytalus

RobMc59 wrote: »

Britain as a founder member of NATO is hardly likely to threaten it`s fellow members,I`d be more worried about the belligerent noises coming out of Turkey by Erdogan towards the EU which is bizarre as they are also in NATO-the russians must be lapping all this up!

Oh I totally agree. Despite all the rhetoric, the UK isn't exactly going to turn on a dime into a belligerent rogue state forsaking all strategic alliances. But this idea of 'intimidating' Brussels into submission has come up more than once (remember the infamous "invade Ireland" idea on LBC?), so it's not the worst idea to point out why it would never work to the few people who suggest it.

Donnielighto

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Just tell them thats where Stella Artois comes from. Invasion halted immediately. :pac:

It usually starts fights, might be a first time to stop one.

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You must hang out with socialists..are you under 30?

Pathetic.

knipex

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Gary North posted this on the Mises Institute Forum

I have a solution. Parliament does not have to accept any agreement. No agreement is necessary.

Here is my Brexit solution. Parliament votes for this law.

Her Majesty's government adopts a policy of zero tariffs and zero import quotas, beginning tomorrow.

That's it? That's it!

There would be no negotiations with foreign countries. There would be nothing to negotiate.

If exporters located in EU countries want to sell something to the Brits, good for them. If there are Brits who like the products and accept them, good for them.

Tariffs are simply sales taxes on imported goods. Anytime a government cuts taxes, that is positive.

Revenues to the government would fall. This is also good.

Import quotas don't generate any revenues. There shouldn't be any import quotas.

Would trade go up between buyers in Great Britain and sellers in the European Union? You bet it would. Everybody likes to be able to sell at a discount, and, overnight, exporters to Great Britain would find that their goods now sell at a discount. No sales taxes are tacked onto the goods.

Would this be good for British buyers? Of course. Who wants to pay sales taxes?

Would financial companies leave Great Britain? No. Why should they? All of a sudden, the whole world would want to sell goods to residents of Great Britain. The doors would be open wide. If it's good for trade, it's good for finance.

If Great Britain did this, its economy would not sink. Other countries in the European Union would figure out that the benefits of staying inside the EU don't compensate for the liabilities associated with the surrender of national sovereignty. Anyway, a substantial minority of voters in those countries would figure this out. All it would take would be a policy of zero tariffs. In other words, all it would take would be a reduction of taxes. "We're outta here!"

No nation needs to sign a 500-page agreement in order to leave the EU profitably. It simply leaves the EU, abolishes tariffs and quotas, and starts trading.

Come one, come all! Let's make a deal!

So the UK announces anyone can supply their products tariff free to the UK

Then it goes to the US, China, Australia etc and asks to negotiate trade agreements with special tarrifs for their exporters..

Why would anyone give them preferential access in return for.. nothing.. because hey gave it all away for free

26000 Elephants

knipex wrote: »

So the UK announces anyone can supply their products tariff free to the UK

Then it goes to the US, China, Australia etc and asks to negotiate trade agreements with special tarrifs for their exporters..

Why would anyone give them preferential access in return for.. nothing.. because hey gave it all away for free

Because its nonsense, but sounds plausible enough to the ill-informed to be quoted verbatim as a possible solution, knowing that they are never going to have to respond to actual criticisms of the plan.

Considering he followed it up with the "Invade \Belgium" policy, I wouldn't give it too much air to be honest.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/ThePoke/status/1182639040958517248

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Do unionists ever smile?

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

On the glorious twelfth, the birth of a new Unionist child and the Queen's Christmas speech. On those occasions and those occasions alone.

Great thanks!

That's all I needed to know.

They always look depressed.

end of the road

cryptocurrency wrote: »

JOB only puts through the callers they know they can set up. He walks him into it and then mutes the for his prewritten monologues.

nope.
JOB takes callers as they come. he simply is able to destroy the nonsense spouted by the brexiters. brexiters are not able to put forward coherent arguments for their view. it's all based on hope, rhetoric, and on taking britain back to a long gone era.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Avoids platforms he can't control as he gets humiliated.

he is on twitter and facebook i believe. certainly twitter anyway.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Jacob Rees Mogg killed him on his own show. It's on YouTube.

he realy didn't. in fact, Rees Mogg won't even go back on that show because it was he who was killed. farage was also destroyed and won't go back on either.

Odhinn

Wtf do they mean by "'tunnel' talks"?

First Up

Odhinn wrote:

Wtf do they mean by "'tunnel' talks"?

A sealed environment. No leaks before they are finished. Gives both sides scope to be creative without fear of being accused of "betrayal".

RobMc59

First Up wrote: »

A sealed environment. No leaks before they are finished. Gives both sides scope to be creative without fear of being accused of "betrayal".

This is a very interesting development,which leaves one wondering if there is movement from both sides.It`s certainly different from `there`s the deal,take it or leave it`.Personally,as a remainer I`d be very disappointed if the EU is ready to blink.

SeaBreezes

end of the road wrote: »

nope.
JOB takes callers as they come. he simply is able to destroy the nonsense spouted by the brexiters. brexiters are not able to put forward coherent arguments for their view. it's all based on hope, rhetoric, and on taking britain back to a long gone era.



he is on twitter and facebook i believe. certainly twitter anyway.



he realy didn't. in fact, Rees Mogg won't even go back on that show because it was he who was killed. farage was also destroyed and won't go back on either.

Because of Brexit I came across him and I really enjoy his show. He doesn't tolerate fools and his 'Name one benefit of Brexit' is a really good question.
I have yet to hear it answered with anything tangible.

end of the road

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Because of Brexit I came across him and I really enjoy his show. He doesn't tolerate fools and his 'Name one benefit of Brexit' is a really good question.
I have yet to hear it answered with anything tangible.

exactly, that is why i love him.

First Up

RobMc59 wrote:

This is a very interesting development,which leaves one wondering if there is movement from both sides.It`s certainly different from `there`s the deal,take it or leave it`.Personally,as a remainer I`d be very disappointed if the EU is ready to blink.

I think the blinking room is for the UK.

Danzy

RobMc59 wrote: »

This is a very interesting development,which leaves one wondering if there is movement from both sides.It`s certainly different from `there`s the deal,take it or leave it`.Personally,as a remainer I`d be very disappointed if the EU is ready to blink.

Both sides were going to blink because neither can afford a no deal Brexit.

Britain would put its main export market at risk in No Deal and the EU needs to sell to British markets as their own are largely stagnating.

Beasty

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threeball

Danzy wrote: »

RobMc59 wrote: »

This is a very interesting development,which leaves one wondering if there is movement from both sides.It`s certainly different from `there`s the deal,take it or leave it`.Personally,as a remainer I`d be very disappointed if the EU is ready to blink.

Both sides were going to blink because neither can afford a no deal Brexit.

Britain would put its main export market at risk in No Deal and the EU needs to sell to British markets as their own are largely stagnating.

Even if they get a deal the UK at best will stagnate also. Trade deals with potential partners are years away from completion and they'll have to renegotiate with countries they already have deals with through the EU. To think that the EU will be relying on them to keep the car industry bouyant is pure fantasy.

First Up

Danzy wrote:

Both sides were going to blink because neither can afford a no deal Brexit.

Please tell me what the EU is blinking about.

Danzy wrote:

Britain would put its main export market at risk in No Deal and the EU needs to sell to British markets as their own are largely stagnating.

The UK is 8% of the EU's market. The EU is 46% of the UK's. Its an inconvenient nuisance for the EU. A bit more than that for the UK.

RobMc59

First Up wrote: »

Please tell me what the EU is blinking about.



The UK is 8% of the EU's market. The EU is 46% of the UK's. Its an inconvenient nuisance for the EU. A bit more than that for the UK.

The UK desperately needs a deal,the EU wants a deal-it would be interesting to know how the 8% market is divided-I imagine UK trade with Germany,Ireland or France is probably a lot more than it`s trade with Romania for example.
Germany and France arguably have the most say in what goes and from a British point of view,Ireland appears to be moving up the pecking order..

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Still for Boris to go so far and compromise now I'm not so sure. He should have ramped up tensions with Brussels with a military stand off and called their Mickey mouse armies bluff on their threats. Seriously, Belguim,

Run an aircraft carrier around Gibraltar.

Harry Palmr

Some good adverts which will hit the billboards this week by the Led by Donkeys campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/12/brexit-the-horror-film-billboards-mock-governments-get-ready-campaign-led-by-donkeys

FrancieBrady

The DUP's abiding legacy; starting this conversation in Britain.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/10/northern-ireland-burden-rest-uk-cant-let-get-way-brexit/?%3FWT.mc_id=tmgoff_hootsuite&fbclid=IwAR1e2weh0voqZqKycbzua1etvAcMHiDlOPXX90lwf3HwS006Tv00AXogha4

sabat

sabat wrote: »

The UK currently has no operational aircraft carriers.

Why would you want an aircraft carrier to attack Brussels?

Stupid discussion though.

26000 Elephants

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The DUP's abiding legacy; starting this conversation in Britain.

To be fair, that was no more than a deliberately provocative 'thought exercise' from Dominic Cummings, aimed at the Gammons.

It was the equivalent of an abusive parent beating the crap out of their kids and then screaming "Look at what you made me do!!!"

It also serves as a bellwether for opinion on dumping the DUP.

RobMc59

Aegir wrote: »

sabat wrote: »

The UK currently has no operational aircraft carriers.

Why would you want an aircraft carrier to attack Brussels?

Stupid discussion though.

As a footnote,Britain invented the aircraft carrier and liberated Belgium in WW2.

Peregrinus

RobMc59 wrote: »

As a footnote,Britain invented the aircraft carrier and liberated Belgium in WW2.

Footnote to the footnote; while it was British troops that liberated Brussels, the forces that liberated Belgium came from Canada, the UK, Poland, a small but symbolically significant detachment of Free Belgian forces, and the US, with the US providing much the largest component, mounting the biggest offensive (in the Ardennes) and fighting the most decisive battle (the Bulge).

As for aircraft carriers, the first purpose-designed and built aircraft carrier to be launched was the Imperial Japanese Navy's Hoshu, in 1922. The UK didn't launch the Hermes until nearly two years later.

FrancieBrady

Peregrinus wrote: »

Footnote to the footnote; while it was British troops that liberated Brussels, the forces that liberated Belgium came from Canada, the UK, Poland, a small but symbolically significant detachment of Free Belgian forces, and the US, with the US providing much the largest component, mounting the biggest offensive (in the Ardennes) and fighting the most decisive battle (the Bulge).

As for aircraft carriers, the first purpose-designed and built aircraft carrier to be launched was the Imperial Japanese Navy's Hoshu, in 1922. The UK didn't launch the Hermes until nearly two years later.

I think that is called, you 'correcting an anomaly of the idiosyncratic, vainglorious British education system' and part of the reason why some British persist in thinking there were glory days when Britain was great on it's own, Pergrinus.
The fact is it was never on it's own, it's wealth came at the expense and misery of others as did it's ability to colonise. It's return to being a small country off the mainland of Europe has been a rocky one.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think that is called, you 'correcting an anomaly of the idiosyncratic, vainglorious British education system' and part of the reason why some British persist in thinking there were glory days when Britain was great on it's own, Pergrinus.
The fact is it was never on it's own, it's wealth came at the expense and misery of others as did it's ability to colonise. It's return to being a small country off the mainland of Europe has been a rocky one.

No it’s not, it’s called pedantry I believe.

The British were flying aircraft off HMS Argus in 1918, the ship that the Hoshu was pretty much designed on

FrancieBrady

Aegir wrote: »

No it’s not, it’s called pedantry I believe.

The British were flying aircraft off HMS Argus in 1918, the ship that the Hoshu was pretty much designed on

I couldn't care less who was 'first' tbh Aegir. Like most things it was never a light bulb moment, the US were the first to land and take off a ship for instance.

It is claiming/believing these things as sole British achievements that is the problem.
Normally it's a silly and quaint quirk, (as when they claim somebody Irish born who has done good) but dangerous when that thinking informs a mythical place were they want to get back to.