Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Kidchameleon

davedanon wrote: »

Interestingly, Donald Trump shares your views on markets and economies.

Indeed. Id take the views of a billionairre over anyone here regarding economics

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Indeed. Id take the views of an alleged billionairre over anyone here regarding economics

Seeing as no one knows his true monetary worth and he refuses to release his tax returns I have had to slightly alter your post to reflect the truth.

KildareP

Well the Boris bounce didn't last long, sterling down 2c (Euro) and nearly 3c ($) on the £ this morning with his new Dec 2020 cliff-edge exit plans.

And so the cycle starts once again

MayoSalmon

KildareP wrote: »

Well the Boris bounce didn't last long, sterling down 2c (Euro) and nearly 3c ($) on the £ this morning with his new Dec 2020 cliff-edge exit plans.

And so the cycle starts once again

FTSE at 4 month high and added 50 billion..

KildareP

MayoSalmon wrote: »

FTSE at 4 month high and added 50 billion..

And so was Sterling yesterday.

FTSE is down on yesterday's close.

theological

Padre_Pio wrote: »

And how much has all this depressed since the Brexit vote?

All that hoo-ha abouty the pound rebounding and it's still crap against the euro and dollar compared to three years ago.

What's the point of forming all these trade deals when you can't buy anything.
Our company has taking advantage of UK retailers for the last 3 years, as their prices are set by their US office. It's fantastic!

It's worth pointing out that the strength of currencies aren't a reflection of the economy either. Currency trading can reflect that in part but just because a currency is stronger doesn't mean that an economy is better.

A currency that is too strong can also be problematic. Sometimes a weakening of currency can be good
because it can make exports more desirable and can attract tourism.

I'm not sure where this absurd idea of people in Britain not being able to buy things came from either. Do you think the drop in the value since 2016 was so significant?

It's €1.19 to the pound as opposed to roughly €1.30 before the referendum.

Also in 2015 the IMF were saying Sterling was overvalued.
https://fullfact.org/economy/exchange-rates-and-imf/

MayoSalmon

MayoSalmon wrote: »

FTSE at 4 month high and added 50 billion..

What do you mean by added?

threeball

Del.Monte wrote: »

And the Irish are the most intelligent people on the planet and never a racist thought passes through their heads. Give over with the sweeping generalisations ffs. :rolleyes:

The Brits certainly haven't done themselves any favours in this whole situation. 95% of the people I saw interviewed hadn't a breeze how the world worked. People in Sunderland claiming they'd be getting their shipbuilding back, old mining towns convinced that steel and even coal mines were going to reopen. Others saying I voted against brexit but now I'm voting for it because they made such a mess of it and I'm sick of it.

I'm sorry but it takes a special kind of stupid to convince yourself of any of those points. They've sucked up Tory lines from London since Maggie about it being Europes fault and they still can't see reality. Compare that to the pragmatism in northern Ireland when faced with questions on economic outcomes and the differences were stark.

In general being a little bit thick and a little bit racist is ultimately what is carrying Brexit.

threeball

MayoSalmon wrote: »

FTSE at 4 month high and added 50 billion..

Markets are volitile when theres uncertainty. They generally climb when certainty is brought to a situation but they are certainly no indicator of a positive outcome. Afterall, the whole thing hinges on mood and assumptions.

Del.Monte

threeball wrote: »

The Brits certainly haven't done themselves any favours in this whole situation. 95% of the people I saw interviewed hadn't a breeze how the world worked. People in Sunderland claiming they'd be getting their shipbuilding back, old mining towns convinced that steel and even coal mines were going to reopen. Others saying I voted against brexit but now I'm voting for it because they made such a mess of it and I'm sick of it.

I'm sorry but it takes a special kind of stupid to convince yourself of any of those points. They've sucked up Tory lines from London since Maggie about it being Europes fault and they still can't see reality. Compare that to the pragmatism in northern Ireland when faced with questions on economic outcomes and the differences were stark.

In general being a little bit thick and a little bit racist is ultimately what is carrying Brexit.

Righty, I listen to a lot of British radio and never heard any mention of coal mines reopening, ship building returning etc. Many, many of us are simply sick of the EEC/EU and finally got the opportunity to get out - simples. As for being thick and racist - you stating that is being thick and racist (anti-British so it's ok) in itself or do you not get that?

Eric Cartman

Del.Monte wrote: »

Righty, I listen to a lot of British radio and never heard any mention of coal mines reopening, ship building returning etc. Many, many of us are simply sick of the EEC/EU and finally got the opportunity to get out - simples. As for being thick and racist - you stating that is being thick and racist (anti-British so it's ok) in itself or do you not get that?

Some people would rather believe that the only reason brexit happened was a bunch of unrealistic tropes that they invented were believed. In the mind of some, brexit is all either working class people without a braincell who hate black people or incredibly greedy billionaires trying not to pay taxes, their usual blame game for everything , I actually can't think of one thing they don't blame white poor people or white rich people for. It makes it easier for them as they never run in to either of these groups, theyre bogeymen who live in knightsbridge or sheffield, couldnt stomach the idea that their local shop keeper, their middle class friends or the chap who delivers their post would have voted for this.

20silkcut

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Some people would rather believe that the only reason brexit happened was a bunch of unrealistic tropes that they invented were believed. In the mind of some, brexit is all either working class people without a braincell who hate black people or incredibly greedy billionaires trying not to pay taxes, their usual blame game for everything , I actually can't think of one thing they don't blame white poor people or white rich people for. It makes it easier for them as they never run in to either of these groups, theyre bogeymen who live in knightsbridge or sheffield, couldnt stomach the idea that their local shop keeper, their middle class friends or the chap who delivers their post would have voted for this.

It’s hard to understand why middle class shop keepers and post men etc would vote for brexit.
It makes no sense. The UK has prospered under the EU. Can you agree that it is a bigger better and richer country than it was in 1973??? Is that possible???
The only logical explanation is racists and rich disaster capitalists are behind it
Can you give one good reason why a middle class non racist shopkeeper should vote to leave the EU? Besides the clearly debunked non elected bureaucrats lies.

Kidchameleon

20silkcut wrote: »

Can you give one good reason why a middle class non racist shopkeeper should vote to leave the EU? Besides the clearly debunked non elected bureaucrats lies.

threeball

Del.Monte wrote: »

Righty, I listen to a lot of British radio and never heard any mention of coal mines reopening, ship building returning etc. Many, many of us are simply sick of the EEC/EU and finally got the opportunity to get out - simples. As for being thick and racist - you stating that is being thick and racist (anti-British so it's ok) in itself or do you not get that?

Very selective in what you watch then I wager. It was a BBC documentary on the run in to the Oct 31st deadline that they had labour voters on expecting to reopen the shipyards and the reason why they were moving away from labour.

Another BBC documentary in manchester interviewed 6 people, 4 remainers and 2 leave voters and all had since come down on the leave side as they expected it to bring back industry to cities like Manchester and also because they simply wanted it over.

Anti-British my hole. I had relations in the UK who didn't bother voting at all, a mixture of not having a clue out of pure disinterest and believing it would never pass. Even after the event they didn't get interested. So yes a bit thick and that is prevalent across most of the UK from everything I've seen. The leavers couldn't even give a decent reason for leaving outside of fairystories.

declanflynn

Del.Monte wrote: »

Righty, I listen to a lot of British radio and never heard any mention of coal mines reopening, ship building returning etc. Many, many of us are simply sick of the EEC/EU and finally got the opportunity to get out - simples. As for being thick and racist - you stating that is being thick and racist (anti-British so it's ok) in itself or do you not get that?

I think all Brits should have a good look at themselves, they are disliked all over the world except by a few people on a small island off the coast of Argentina and a few more living on a rock near Spain

SCOOP 64

declanflynn wrote: »

I think all Brits should have a good look at themselves, they are disliked all over the world except by a few people on a small island off the coast of Argentina and a few more living on a rock near Spain

This as really turned in to a Anti British Thread.

Timberrrrrrrr

declanflynn wrote: »

I think all Brits should have a good look at themselves, they are disliked all over the world except by a few people on a small island off the coast of Argentina and a few more living on a rock near Spain

Amazing how irish people think this about the British while in the same breath think that the irish are universally loved worldwide

20silkcut

Kidchameleon wrote: »

We could do a splendid photo montage of hideous personalities on the brexit side also. That means nothing.
A photo of guy verhopstadt is not a valid answer.
I could throw up a photo of Anne widdecombe or farage or Rees- mogg.

declanflynn

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Amazing how irish people think this about the British while in the same breath think that the irish are universally loved worldwide

We are, cant wait for brexit the harder the better, but i fear they wont jump and may need a push or a boot up the ....

Timberrrrrrrr

declanflynn wrote: »

We are, cant wait for brexit the harder the better, but i fear they wont jump and may need a push or a boot up the ....

No


You're not, it's just a myth that Irish people tell themselves.

declanflynn

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No


You're not, it's just a myth that Irish people tell themselves.

will Brits be able to post fake news here after brexit

declanflynn

declanflynn wrote: »

I think

I doubt anyone on here believes that for one minute

Kidchameleon

20silkcut wrote: »

I could throw up a photo of Anne widdecombe or farage or Rees- mogg.

Please do, legends.

Beasty

declanflynn wrote: »

I think all Brits should have a good look at themselves, they are disliked all over the world except by a few people on a small island off the coast of Argentina and a few more living on a rock near Spain

Thanks for that vote of confidence in me. You will probably dislike me even more if you keep up this anti British crap

Kidchameleon

20silkcut wrote: »

A photo of guy verhopstadt is not a valid answer.

Oh and by the way Verhoffstdat alone is a reason for the EU to disband, a complete snake

Kidchameleon

declanflynn wrote: »

I think all Brits should have a good look at themselves, they are disliked all over the world except by a few people on a small island off the coast of Argentina and a few more living on a rock near Spain

My observation is that they have gained more respect globally. They have declared to the world that they respect democracy, have the balls to stand on their own two feet and will not be pushed around by beaurocrats. They have done us all a favor in the long run, such power must not be confined to one superstate.

declanflynn

Kidchameleon wrote: »

My observation is that they have gained more respect globally. They have declared to the world that they respect democracy, have the balls to stand on their own two feet and will not be pushed around by beaurocrats. They have done us all a favor in the long run, such power must not be confined to one superstate.

good for ye, I agree fully ye should go and I want ye to go, but I fear we will be stuck with ye

Tony EH

Kidchameleon wrote: »

My observation is that they have gained more respect globally.

Britain is largely seen as a mess because of this farce. However the rest of the world are view Britain right now, it's very far from "respect".

Professor Moriarty

Tony EH wrote: »

Britain is largely seen as a mess because of this farce. However the rest of the world are view Britain right now, it's very far from "respect".

Must set up new manufacturing plant in Europe. Hmmm. Where should I set up? Oh, Britain looks like a good bet!

20silkcut

Kidchameleon wrote: »

My observation is that they have gained more respect globally. They have declared to the world that they respect democracy, have the balls to stand on their own two feet and will not be pushed around by beaurocrats. They have done us all a favor in the long run, such power must not be confined to one superstate.

Usually when countries obtain freedom it is after a valiant armed struggle against an oppressive power.
Brexit is not exactly that. More a slow bike bicycle race exercise of democracy.
Britain in the eyes of the world is not a persecuted country. It is a wealthy country, as we are all reminded ,the fifth largest economy in the world.
Nobody outside Britain can see exactly what the problem is. No one can sympathise with their perceived grievances with the EU. Considering there is actually real blood being spilled in countries like Ukraine to achieve a closer alliance with the EU.