Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Imreoir2

alastair wrote: »

I wonder if there’s anything else that might explain Tusk’s comparative quietness on the EU presidency account?

Nothing comes to mind.... :pac:

davedanon

RasTa wrote: »

Indians are way more racist then the Brits. That patel one is pure scum.

Patel is pretty despicable. The first line is textbook racism, however.

cryptocurrency

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Nothing comes to mind.... :pac:

was using it on the 12th, yes the 12th of december to do failed election meddling

cryptocurrency

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I dont think the EU cares about brtain leaving as much as you think, but equally I do think they care more than other posters suggest, not out of a love of having them at the table in brussels but for fear that other countries gorging at the trough currently may pull the plug when they have to start their contribution element , or the higher chance that were a country like turkey to enter the EU that poland and hungary might decide to leave to avoid muslims.

If the EU was good it should not need fear to keep countries in it and should sell itself.

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

was using it on the 12th, yes the 12th of december to do failed election meddling

Because that was before the Christmas break?

Wheres all this evidence that Brexit will be good for Britain?

cryptocurrency

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Wheres all this evidence that Brexit will be good for Britain?

Anyone who isn't a socialist and needs to be spoon fed all their life can see it.

I'm a capitalist not a communist.

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Anyone who isn't a socialist and needs to be spoon fed all their life can see it.

I'm a capitalist not a communist.

See it where? Where exactly?

I'm a capitalist too, but all I see is job losses (near half a million by now and they're STILL not out of the EU) and loss of power and influence.

alastair

cryptocurrency wrote: »

was using it on the 12th, yes the 12th of december to do failed election meddling

No he wasn’t. But you’re staying on-brand with the false claims. He sent that tweet from his EPP account.

Irishmale0399

Lads simple question or better said 2;

1. What does the UK produce/supply/have naturally that the EU cannot source/produce itself within the common market???

2. What does the UK need from the EU that the UK cannot produce/supply from within its own economy???

cryptocurrency

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Lads simple question or better said 2;

1. What does the UK produce/supply/have naturally that the EU cannot source/produce itself within the common market???

2. What does the UK need from the EU that the UK cannot produce/supply from within its own economy???

1. a set of stones

2. Oranges

Padre_Pio

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Lads simple question or better said 2;

1. What does the UK produce/supply/have naturally that the EU cannot source/produce itself within the common market???

2. What does the UK need from the EU that the UK cannot produce/supply from within its own economy???

A third question is what does the UK make or produce that it can sell in places other than the EU?

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

1. a set of stones

2. Oranges

I hope you can feed the poor with stones.

suicide_circus

we're about to find out whether EU membership really is the only game in town. Personally i hope its not. I hope that vengeance is not the EU's primary negotiation driver. They'll want the UK to suffer as a warning to others to stay in line but to what extent? Interesting times.

cryptocurrency

suicide_circus wrote: »

we're about to find out whether EU membership really is the only game in town. Personally i hope its not. I hope that vengeance is not the EU's primary negotiation driver. They'll want the UK to suffer as a warning to others to stay in line but to what extent? Interesting times.

This is funny. The EU, vengeance, warning ...give me strenght. EU even attempted it and they would be toast.

They five years of Boris and Trump to chew on and learn their place. Any more lip for them and they'll be Boris and Trumps all over the place.

alastair

suicide_circus wrote: »

we're about to find out whether EU membership really is the only game in town. Personally i hope its not. I hope that vengeance is not the EU's primary negotiation driver. They'll want the UK to suffer as a warning to others to stay in line but to what extent? Interesting times.

Nobody doubts the U.K. will suffer - regardless of what the EU does. That’s the prediction of the UK itself. The continental sentiment for leaving the EU went into decline right after the shambles of a Brexit became apparent - and that’s nothing to do with any EU decisions or strategy. when you have LePen abandoning Frexit as a populist measure, you’ve no need to ladle on the foolishness of leaving the EU.

Call me Al

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I think the min the Tories dumped May it was clear it was the player it thought it was as the EU folded like a cheap tent

And yet here we are with the border in the Irish Sea. Hmmm. Funny that!

cryptocurrency

Call me Al wrote: »

And yet here we are with the border in the Irish Sea. Hmmm. Funny that!

border or are just ports and airports being used to check to avoid the land border.

The North is in a different customs territory, the UK

Irishmale0399

cryptocurrency wrote: »

1. a set of stones

2. Oranges

So if the EU get hard and tell the UK to take a walk down the plank, where do they plan to get their oranges from???

Where do they plan to sell their stones should the EU say no or put huge tariffs on them???

The UK is in a corner in all of this and as from day 1 they are not in a position to make demands. They have nothing the EU needs, they are very much dependant on the EU....

cryptocurrency

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

So if the EU get hard and tell the UK to take a walk down the plank, where do they plan to get their oranges from???

Where do they plan to sell their stones should the EU say no or put huge tariffs on them???

The UK is in a corner in all of this and as from day 1 they are not in a position to make demands. They have nothing the EU needs, they are very much dependant on the EU....

Can I ask you a question?

Where do you think those set of chumps will ever start telling people to walk planks? They may end up getitng forced to eat them. Nice 2*6 ..nom nom , you keep chewing Guy, take your time

Call me Al

cryptocurrency wrote: »

border or are just ports and airports being used to check to avoid the land border.

The North is in a different customs territory, the UK

"Just" nothing....
What did Boris get in return for his concession? Nothing but a map to find the exit door of a mess of his own making.

Imreoir2

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Can I ask you a question?

Where do you think those set of chumps will ever start telling people to walk planks? They may end up getitng forced to eat them. Nice 2*6 ..nom nom , you keep chewing Guy, take your time

They rather effectivly forced Mr Johnson to back away from his promises to the DUP and agree to conditions the previous PM said "no Prime Minister would ever agree to".

cryptocurrency

Call me Al wrote: »

"Just" nothing....
What did Boris get in return for his concession? Nothing but a map to find the exit door of a mess of his own making.

Nope, a binning of the backstop, removal of the level playing field, opportunity to walk at the end of 2020 if the EU drag their feet.

The satisfaction of making the EU look like today chumps.

Boredstiff666

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Such predictions have been doing the rounds for years, why are you correct now when others peddling such predictions were wrong?

The UK is in a fundementally weak position. Those in weak positions don't come out on top in international agreements. A lot of countries are going to take advantage of the UKs weakness and there is little that they can do about it. The next chapter of the UKs history after Brext will probably be a long and dificult process of trying to escape from the agreements that they will be forced to accept over the next few years.

You know when you keep hearing the same ****e dressed up in another way over and over again it gets so nausiating to listen too.

Lets take some facts which are relevent.

For nearly 4 years now on boards.ie mostly the same people have critisised and slagged off the UK and it's people for wanting to leave a club.

The reasons and all the other stuff you have banded around in that time have never come true but what did happen was when they had the same vote again after you lot had educated on why they were wrong, thick, stupid, gonna lose out and all the other ****e you told them for 3.5 years...........the people went ahead and voted the same way.

Now all the things that may or could happen..........will happen.

They will start to happen after 31 days.

What will happen we will soon find out, but if you have ever worked for yourself you get gut feelings and mine arent good for here.

Doesnt matter who is right and who is wrong. The men are all now poised to go over the trenches into no mans land. It will be a killing field. Who reaches the other side and who comes back nobody knows.

All I know is the lightly armed and more exposed ones are an easy target and will mostly fall by the wayside.

Which one do you think we are?

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Nope, a binning of the backstop, removal of the level playing field, opportunity to walk at the end of 2020 if the EU drag their feet.

The satisfaction of making the EU look like today chumps.

Absolute bollocks. The UK are the laughing stock of Europe. They've had 3 PMs in 4 years, the current one voted against a deal that he later tabled.

They had the opportunity to walk for the last 3 years, threatened to many times and never did. Not a hope will they leave without a deal. It's all empty rhetoric from a government with nothing to offer.

If they're so set on leaving then why are they still here, nearly a year after they were meant to go?
why don't they just leave already?

cryptocurrency

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

You know when you keep hearing the same ****e dressed up in another way over and over again it gets so nausiating to listen too.

Lets take some facts which are relevent.

For nearly 4 years now on boards.ie mostly the same people have critisised and slagged off the UK and it's people for wanting to leave a club.

The reasons and all the other stuff you have banded around in that time have never come true but what did happen was when they had the same vote again after you lot had educated on why they were wrong, thick, stupid, gonna lose out and all the other ****e you told them for 3.5 years...........the people went ahead and voted the same way.

Now all the things that may or could happen..........will happen.

They will start to happen after 31 days.

What will happen we will soon find out, but if you have ever worked for yourself you get gut feelings and mine arent good for here.

Doesnt matter who is right and who is wrong. The men are all now poised to go over the trenches into no mans land. It will be a killing field. Who reaches the other side and who comes back nobody knows.

All I know is the lightly armed and more exposed ones are an easy target and will mostly fall by the wayside.

Which one do you think we are?

UK will be fine, and will not allow Ireland to get caught up in the mess. I don't think FG have endeared themselves to the UK and I would expect a FF government will help heal the damage done.

The classic view that FG were pro brittish went out the door with Leo. FF and Martin have been far more a friend with the language and they are needed in power now to build those bridges.

Leo and FG are too toxic at this critical time with our neighbours

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

UK will be fine, and will not allow Ireland to get caught up in the mess. I don't think FG have endeared themselves to the UK and I would expect a FF government will help heal the damage done.

The classic view that FG were pro brittish went out the door with Leo. FF and Martin have been far more a friend with the language and they are needed in power now to build those bridges.

Leo and FG are too toxic at this critical time with our neighbours

Wheres the proof that the UK will do well out of Brexit?

cryptocurrency

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Absolute bollocks.

They had the opportunity to walk for the last 3 years, threatened to many times and never did. Not a hope will they leave without a deal. It's all empty rhetoric from a government with nothing to offer.

If they're so set on leaving then why are they still here, nearly a year after they were meant to go?
why don't they just leave already?

Parliament wouldn't let them leave. The UK would leave no dela but theyr will be a deal.

No deal is a disaster for the EU. I think the UK should go no deal adn slash everything so tariffs don't matter.

Imreoir2

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

You know when you keep hearing the same ****e dressed up in another way over and over again it gets so nausiating to listen too.

Lets take some facts which are relevent.

For nearly 4 years now on boards.ie mostly the same people have critisised and slagged off the UK and it's people for wanting to leave a club.

The reasons and all the other stuff you have banded around in that time have never come true but what did happen was when they had the same vote again after you lot had educated on why they were wrong, thick, stupid, gonna lose out and all the other ****e you told them for 3.5 years...........the people went ahead and voted the same way.

Now all the things that may or could happen..........will happen.

We called it like it is. It's really not our fault that the British people were taken in by a con and choose to dubble down when it all started to go wrong.

We will be damaged by their choices, most reasonable posters here understand that, but there is little we can do about that. We can only seek to protect our interests as best we can, ensuring the integrity of the Single Market and making sure the border remains open come what may are far higher on the list of priorities than flattering the conmen in the UK who have caused this mess.

Worring about the feelings of Mr Johnson or how his backers think of us is far less important than ensuring that our national interest is represented effectivly by the EU in the Brexit process. So far, this strategy has paid dividends for us, we are much better off now than we would have been had we allowed ourselves be conned by those same charlatens who have done some much to damage the UK. We had a choice to side with the UK, potentially follow them out of the EU or accept their empty assurances over the border, or stick with the EU and make sure legally binding arangements were included in the deal. I think it is unquestionable that we made the right choice and will suffer far less than would otherwise have been the case.

Irishmale0399

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Can I ask you a question?

Where do you think those set of chumps will ever start telling people to walk planks? They may end up getitng forced to eat them. Nice 2*6 ..nom nom , you keep chewing Guy, take your time

Hope everything in your world is otherwise good. You should be very worried, up to now the EU have outlived 2 PMs that wanted to do a deal and failed for Brexit, now BJ is stepping up with more or less Mays deal worded differently, call it what you want, its a sea border. Since the election win he has been very quiet...off on holidays with his bit of fluff however even before not much spoutting out of him. He now has to sit at the table with the EU, make his demands and deliver...lets see if the EU continue to play the game now they know the UK is definately leaving. The sooner UK citizen realise that the wonderful UK is not as important to the EU as the EU is to the UK the better.

cryptocurrency

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Hope everything in your world is otherwise good. You should be very worried, up to now the EU have outlived 2 PMs that wanted to do a deal and failed for Brexit, now BJ is stepping up with more or less Mays deal worded differently, call it what you want, its a sea border. Since the election win he has been very quiet...off on holidays with his bit of fluff however even before not much spoutting out of him. He now has to sit at the table with the EU, make his demands and deliver...lets see if the EU continue to play the game now they know the UK is definately leaving. The sooner UK citizen realise that the wonderful UK is not as important to the EU as the EU is to the UK the better.

One quit the day of the vote to leave and the other was a remainer.

This is the first leave PM they have faced and have been taking head blows against the ropes since the bell.