Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

You didn't read the reply carefully, did you.

And you haven't made any challenges at all. You were given a relatively substantial reply to your post to which you, in turn replied with petty one liners that didn't even address any of the points made. If that's all you have, I shant be wasting any more time with you.

And your content above further demonstrates your lack of grasp on what was said.

Actually Tony, you have not read my posts carefully, which is why you not only went off on an irrelevant rant you also made a very ironic statement about low power thinking.

Followed up by good old fashioned ad hominem.

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

while im sure we could debate the communist aspect, the "not interested in a marxist anything" , what..... thats kind of his entire deal.....

it's not, his deal is left to centre left at most.

First Up

cryptocurrency wrote:

It's nothing to do with racism, most of the members of the EU are more more racist places then the UK will ever be.

There are racists all across the EU for sure; however most of them are better at geography than their UK counterparts as they know the difference between how European and non European immigrants arrive.

cryptocurrency wrote:

Greed maybe, greed to better themselves and the nation. Sure why not, I've no doubt the UK will improve compared to the nations trapped in the EU.

Trapped by who?

cryptocurrency

end of the road wrote: »

it's not, his deal is left to centre left at most.

You seem scary

Dyr

end of the road wrote: »

it's not, his deal is left to centre left at most.

For Marxists and Communists, Socialism is the intermediate stage that will bring about the ideal Communist state.

Corbyn is not centre left, not by a long shot. There's a reason why the former head of the Communist Party of Great Britain was his head of elections and the likes of Milne were on board. Corbyn is not stupid, he knew why they were there and it wasnt to form a centre left government. So you can only assume that he was in accord.

Donald Trump

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I think a class of primary school children could have looked capable when compared to Ollie Robins and Thresa May.

Let's see what they are like against a Boris majority and the likes of cummings in his ear

A Boris HOC majority isn't going to help him in dealing with the EU.
In fact, it would weaken any argument/pleading to be given an additional crumb here or there to help him get it across the line.
A more cynical person might opine that the EU might have given May more than they otherwise would have because they knew she still wouldn't get it through and it would make the EU side look more reasonable and prevent any attempts to attribute blame to them!

Beasty

Donald Trump wrote: »

A Boris HOC majority isn't going to help him in dealing with the EU.
In fact, it would weaken any argument/pleading to be given an additional crumb here or there to help him get it across the line.
A more cynical person might opine that the EU might have given May more than they otherwise would have because they knew she still wouldn't get it through and it would make the EU side look more reasonable and prevent any attempts to attribute blame to them!

It's OK, his friend in Washington will come to his rescue, won't you;)

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

It's OK, his friend in Washington will come to his rescue, won't you;)

More a case of coming to bury, not to praise, I'd say.

cryptocurrency

Beasty wrote: »

It's OK, his friend in Washington will come to his rescue, won't you;)

US Ambassador to the UK, Woody Johnson, has made a stunning 2020 prediction ahead of the beginning of trade talks between Britain and America in the new year.

The US ambassador has hailed 2020 as an “incredible” year and has called on Prime Minister Boris Johnson and US President Donald Trump to “embrace” the post-Brexit opportunities. Mr Johnson, owner of the New York Jets, has predicted a trade deal between the UK and the US has the potential to be sent “into the stratosphere”. The Trump ally, also urged the UK and the US to be braced for the “roaring 20s” as the two nations’’special relationship’ enters into another decade.
He tweeted:
“2020 promises to be an incredible year for the #SpecialRelationship.
“Let’s embrace the opportunity to take US & UK trade into the stratosphere!”

Donald Trump

cryptocurrency wrote: »

US Ambassador to the UK, Woody Johnson, has made a stunning 2020 prediction ahead of the beginning of trade talks between Britain and America in the new year.

The US ambassador has hailed 2020 as an “incredible” year and has called on Prime Minister Boris Johnson and US President Donald Trump to “embrace” the post-Brexit opportunities. Mr Johnson, owner of the New York Jets, has predicted a trade deal between the UK and the US has the potential to be sent “into the stratosphere”. The Trump ally, also urged the UK and the US to be braced for the “roaring 20s” as the two nations’’special relationship’ enters into another decade.
He tweeted:
“2020 promises to be an incredible year for the #SpecialRelationship.
“Let’s embrace the opportunity to take US & UK trade into the stratosphere!”

He may have said that, but just FYI, US ambassadors are not actual professional diplomats. Unlike most countries, they are positions appointed by the current administration, usually in return for substantial donations/support.

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

US Ambassador to the UK, Woody Johnson, has made a stunning 2020 prediction ahead of the beginning of trade talks between Britain and America in the new year.

The US ambassador has hailed 2020 as an “incredible” year and has called on Prime Minister Boris Johnson and US President Donald Trump to “embrace” the post-Brexit opportunities. Mr Johnson, owner of the New York Jets, has predicted a trade deal between the UK and the US has the potential to be sent “into the stratosphere”. The Trump ally, also urged the UK and the US to be braced for the “roaring 20s” as the two nations’’special relationship’ enters into another decade.
He tweeted:
“2020 promises to be an incredible year for the #SpecialRelationship.
“Let’s embrace the opportunity to take US & UK trade into the stratosphere!”

Fantastic! I look forward to the trade deal being finalised in 2030.

davedanon

cryptocurrency wrote: »

US Ambassador to the UK, Woody Johnson, has made a stunning 2020 prediction ahead of the beginning of trade talks between Britain and America in the new year.

The US ambassador has hailed 2020 as an “incredible” year and has called on Prime Minister Boris Johnson and US President Donald Trump to “embrace” the post-Brexit opportunities. Mr Johnson, owner of the New York Jets, has predicted a trade deal between the UK and the US has the potential to be sent “into the stratosphere”. The Trump ally, also urged the UK and the US to be braced for the “roaring 20s” as the two nations’’special relationship’ enters into another decade.
He tweeted:
“2020 promises to be an incredible year for the #SpecialRelationship.
“Let’s embrace the opportunity to take US & UK trade into the stratosphere!”

Who says it's a 'stunning' prediction? Is it it just you? I bet it is.

Bit cynical

Donald Trump wrote: »

A more cynical person might opine that the EU might have given May more than they otherwise would have because they knew she still wouldn't get it through and it would make the EU side look more reasonable and prevent any attempts to attribute blame to them!

Conversely, they might also give May a worse deal than otherwise believing that her weakness in Parliament might force a revocation of A50.

Snickers Man

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Lads simple question or better said 2;

1. What does the UK produce/supply/have naturally that the EU cannot source/produce itself within the common market???

Oil (in sufficient quantities)

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

2. What does the UK need from the EU that the UK cannot produce/supply from within its own economy???

Food. (in sufficient quantities)

boring accountant

Snickers Man wrote: »

Oil (in sufficient quantities)

Food. (in sufficient quantities)

Put financial services in column 1 as well.

First Up

Bit cynical wrote:

Conversely, they might also give May a worse deal than otherwise believing that her weakness in Parliament might force a revocation of A50.

An emphatic no to that. The EU does not play games. Barnier and his team acted on behalf of the 27 member states and to the letter of the treaties - nothing else.

The UK's internal politics are its own business. Same for all member states and applicant countries.

FrancieBrady

cryptocurrency wrote: »

US Ambassador to the UK, Woody Johnson, has made a stunning 2020 prediction ahead of the beginning of trade talks between Britain and America in the new year.

The US ambassador has hailed 2020 as an “incredible” year and has called on Prime Minister Boris Johnson and US President Donald Trump to “embrace” the post-Brexit opportunities. Mr Johnson, owner of the New York Jets, has predicted a trade deal between the UK and the US has the potential to be sent “into the stratosphere”. The Trump ally, also urged the UK and the US to be braced for the “roaring 20s” as the two nations’’special relationship’ enters into another decade.
He tweeted:
“2020 promises to be an incredible year for the #SpecialRelationship.
“Let’s embrace the opportunity to take US & UK trade into the stratosphere!”

:eek::eek: All hail Mr Johnson:

In March 2019, Johnson wrote an article in the Daily Telegraph saying that chlorinated chicken was a "public safety no-brainer" and that health fears over hormone-fed beef were "myths".[22] This came after he urged the UK to open up to the US agriculture market after the British exit of the European Union and ignore the "smear campaign" of those with "their own protectionist agenda".[23] Johnson was criticised by several agriculture standard boards, such as the Red Tractor Assurance whose CEO, Jim Moseley stated the UK's food standards were "now under threat from ... the United States food lobby" and the National Farmers Union who said it was "imperative" that UK food standards remain high

cryptocurrency

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:eek::eek: All hail Mr Johnson:

does anyone here eat chicken when in the states? I do and its great

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

does anyone here eat chicken when in the states? I do and its great

And what do you think of the American healthcare system, aspects of which could be imported into the NHS?

alastair

boring accountant wrote: »

Put financial services in column 1 as well.

Financial services are easily transferred from one location to another.

cryptocurrency

Deleted User wrote: »

And what do you think of the American healthcare system, aspects of which could be imported into the NHS?

Well I don't approve of any healthsystem that I pay from my taxes and still require to have a private health plan. The 7/8/9% of my taxes that goes to maintain a system I don't use should be refunded and I should be given the option to opt out of public health care if I am paying private.

If people want to stick with the public system it should be a choice. The system here is much worse thne the UK as we have to pay twice but are not allowed to use the public system.

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Well I don't approve of any healthsystem that I pay from my taxes and still require to have a private health plan. The 7/8/9% of my taxes that goes to maintain a system I don't use should be refunded and I should be given the option to opt out of public health care if I am paying private.

If people want to stick with the public system it should be a choice. The system here is much worse thne the UK as we have to pay twice but are not allowed to use the public system.

Where in the U.S.? because you can use the public system here in Ireland while also having private health insurance. Pretty sure it's the same in the U.K. but open to correction with sources if I am wrong.

SilverFox2

I believe you are correct on this across the water

cryptocurrency

DubInMeath wrote: »

Where in the U.S.? because you can use the public system here in Ireland while also having private health insurance. Pretty sure it's the same in the U.K. but open to correction with sources if I am wrong.

I use the private system but pay for a public system i don't use. Where is my opt out and tax cuts

Also if you can use the public system for free in ireland then you have a medical card. I don't.

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I use the private system but pay for a public system i don't use. Where is my opt out and tax cuts

No you said you weren't allowed use the public system because you had private health insurance, where is this the case?

Also what private a&e is open after 6pm?

Also no I don't have a medical card and never said it was free.

Americans get royally screwed. Their public spend per capita is more than pretty much every other country, if not the most. And then they need insurance.

I don't think any country should open up its healthcare to anything like it.

SilverFox2

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I use the private system but pay for a public system i don't use. Where is my opt out and tax cuts

Also if you can use the public system for free in ireland then you have a medical card. I don't.

If you value your life and that of your family anyone should pay for private insurance.
Your life is too valuable despite the costs to depend on the Public system

NIMAN

The nhs is a disaster.
Don't know why so many people bum it up.

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Well I don't approve of any healthsystem that I pay from my taxes and still require to have a private health plan. The 7/8/9% of my taxes that goes to maintain a system I don't use should be refunded and I should be given the option to opt out of public health care if I am paying private.

Health service money isn't ringfenced so this is a moot point.
Your tax money is used to fund thousands of things that have absolutely zero benefit to you.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

The nhs is a disaster.
Don't know why so many people bum it up.

Would you prefer the U.S. alternative?