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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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    #8852
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Yeah, the US. If you are wealthy or covered by a company policy you are ok, if not you are screwed.


    I'd say get a job, problem solved.

    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    or are unable to access cover for several reasons including pre-existing conditions, their quality of life can be severely compromised.


    Thats not my problem nor should it be forced upon other tax payers.

    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Health care is a massive worry and a huge burden for huge numbers of Americans.


    Tough


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    #8853
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Who is Michael Barnier? Michel's cousin?


    Eh no, got a better response than a semantic one?


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    #8854
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,968 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Eh no, got a better response than a semantic one?

    It's a dodgy, 37 second video posted by someone who is completely apathetic to the needs of anyone who might need some help from society.

    That ok?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #8855
    SantaCruz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭SantaCruz


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Ah yeah, Barnier is a saint, he wouldn't do a thing like that... Completely honest and sincere our Michael is :rolleyes:


    "EU's Michael Barnier secretly filmed plotting to use Ireland as a Brexit pawn"


    I suppose it's a fool's errand to point out that a) this is not secret filming (unless the person filming the TV show that this was broadcast on was doing so in secret in his/her own house?) and b) it shows nothing of the sort.

    It shows Barnier eplaining to the other folks why Ireland must be settled first, or the UK would use it to extract concessions from the EU in trade negotiations.

    This is not 'secretly using Ireland as a pawn', it shows a skilled negotiator publicly explaining how he is outmaneouvring the best negotiator Britain could come up with.


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    #8856
    SantaCruz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭SantaCruz


    Kidchameleon wrote: »

    Thats not my problem nor should it be forced upon other tax payers.
    Why not?


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    #8857
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,101 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Did anyone ever think that this would be an easy process?

    yes, brexit supporters were claiming it would be an easy process, everyone else tried to tell them otherwise but they wouldn't listen. the easiest deal in history was what the leave deal between the european union and britain was described as by the main advocates for brexit.
    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    My feeling from 2016 was that Brexit would never take place because the EU would create such a political quagmire around the situation that the Brits would relent and vote again. This how the EU operate, we've seen it here on a lesser scale with the Lisbon Treaty.


    It's also done to disuade any other member from attempting to democraticly leave the Union.

    it has been explained in abundants as to why we had to have a second vote on the treaty.
    concessions, clarifications and all else meant the treaty was different to what we voted on therefore a second vote was required.

    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Under 18's should get free healthcare as they are not responsible if their parents don't get it for them but as adults healthcare should be paid for like a service.

    And the tax take should be in peoples pockets

    paying for health care as a service is unviable due to risk of undue hardship and worse.
    you only need to look at the failed american system to know this, where people have to make themselves bankrupt to pay for health care.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #8858
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,595 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    I'd say get a job, problem solved.

    Then you have zero experience with US health care and should, frankly, STFU about it. You don't think by 'having a job that provides healthcare' in the US means everything is easy peasy and smooth, do you? It's a nightmare of networks, chargemasters, balance billing, referrals and all kinds of hoops to go through.

    Even the HSE is better. Isn't *that* scary.


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    #8859
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    end of the road wrote: »
    yes, brexit supporters were claiming it would be an easy process,



    And it would have been easy if only those pesky ungrateful wee countries had not stood up for themselves and doffed the hat like the old days.


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    #8860
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    I'd say get a job, problem solved.

    Thats not my problem nor should it be forced upon other tax payers.

    Tough

    This is why you and those like you will not be getting themselves elected in this country anytime soon.


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    #8861
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,225 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    This is why you and those like you will not be getting themselves elected in this country anytime soon.

    A country is measured on how it treats the weakest in society.

    I'm happy that as bad as Ireland is, and as much as people give out about social welfare, no one is dying or paupering themselves over easily treatable conditions.


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    #8862
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    This is why you and those like you will not be getting themselves elected in this country anytime soon.

    Conservatism is on the rise, look at Trump 2016 (and 2020), Brexit among other examples. One of the biggest problems we have today as a civilization (if not the biggest problem) is people failing to take responsibility for themselves. This needs to stop, so be it if there are some casualties along the way. We have economic migration open to all of us, get with the game or get left behind.
    SantaCruz wrote: »
    It shows Barnier eplaining to the other folks why Ireland must be settled first, or the UK would use it to extract concessions from the EU in trade negotiations.

    Thats one way to look at it. Unfortunately, it is the wrong way.
    SantaCruz wrote: »
    Why not?

    Lets say I get sick, should you and your family pay for my treatment if I couldn't have been bothered getting the resources together myself?


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    #8863
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    I'm happy that as bad as Ireland is, and as much as people give out about social welfare, no one is dying or paupering themselves over easily treatable conditions.


    One example of many...


    https://www.thejournal.ie/inquest-woman-discharges-herself-after-6-hours-on-trolley-4920352-Dec2019/


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    #8864
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,866 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Ah yeah, Barnier is a saint, he wouldn't do a thing like that... Completely honest and sincere our Michael is :rolleyes:


    "EU's Michael Barnier secretly filmed plotting to use Ireland as a Brexit pawn"



    Lol dude. That is clearly a discussion outlining what he thinks the UK are trying to do.

    Or maybe the editor of the video just happened to cut out the bit at the start by accident where Barnier says "this is what we the EU should try to do".

    FYI, I'll see your fake news and I'll raise you a Priti Patel


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    #8865
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,577 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Conservatism is on the rise, look at Trump 2016 (and 2020), Brexit among other examples.

    Any Irish ones?


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    #8866
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Conservatism is on the rise.

    Not here thankfully, you and your programme can bugger off, I want no part of it.


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    #8867
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Any Irish ones?


    It will take a much longer time in Ireland. We as a nation have gotten very very left leaning. It doesn't help that Irish conservatives are having their right to free speech taken away from them, ask Justin Barrett (leader of the National Party) who had his Twitter account deleted with no reason given (cannot find one link to support that, how surprising, but it is easily verifiable)


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    #8868
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Not here thankfully, you and your programme can bugger off, I want no part of it.


    Its great that we live in a democracy


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    #8869
    SantaCruz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭SantaCruz


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Thats one way to look at it. Unfortunately, it is the wrong way.
    It's the correct way. Supporting that claim - the entire approach the EU took to the talks, including changing their position repeatedly to support any version of Brexit that would prevent a hard border in Ireland.

    Do you have any support for your claim?
    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Lets say I get sick, should you and your family pay for my treatment if I couldn't have been bothered getting the resources together myself?
    The post you are replying to specifies pre-existing conditions. If somebody is born with or acquires some condition, your idela approach is to throw them to the dogs?

    You sound like a sociopath.


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    #8870
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Or maybe the editor of the video just happened to cut out the bit at the start by accident where Barnier says "this is what we the EU should try to do".


    Link please or are you just making that up?


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    #8871
    SantaCruz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭SantaCruz


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Any Irish ones?

    Gemma O'Doherty I suppose.


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    #8872
    SantaCruz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭SantaCruz


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Link please or are you just making that up?
    It's claimed to be a secret video - didn't you read your own source? So how is he supposed to find it?


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    #8873
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Its great that we live in a democracy

    It is, I get to watch the Irish electorate get to know candidates that follow your line of thinking and reject them in their droves.


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    #8874
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    It will take a much longer time in Ireland. We as a nation have gotten very very left leaning. It doesn't help that Irish conservatives are having their right to free speech taken away from them, ask Justin Barrett (leader of the National Party) who had his Twitter account deleted with no reason given (cannot find one link to support that, how surprising, but it is easily verifiable)

    If true, it's most likely because he's a prick who breaks their terms and conditions, which results in the pricks who follow/belive his bullsh1t that freedom of speech is being infringed.


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    #8875
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Its great that we live in a democracy

    Which the guy you're fawning over doesn't believe in.


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    #8876
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,225 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    If true, it's most likely because he's a prick who breaks their terms and conditions, which results in the pricks who follow/belive his bullsh1t that freedom of speech is being infringed.

    We have no freedom of speech in Ireland.

    Twitter has no obligation to allow you to say what you want.


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    #8877
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    It will take a much longer time in Ireland. We as a nation have gotten very very left leaning. It doesn't help that Irish conservatives are having their right to free speech taken away from them, ask Justin Barrett (leader of the National Party) who had his Twitter account deleted with no reason given (cannot find one link to support that, how surprising, but it is easily verifiable)

    Since when does free speech mean you have a right to have your opinions aired on a private platform? Twitter is a private company and is well within their rights to deny access to anyone they see fit.

    Is there any reason to assume that Mr Barrett, wannabe Great Dictator that he is, did not breach Twitters terms of service?


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    #8878
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Kidchameleon wrote:
    Ah yeah, Barnier is a saint, he wouldn't do a thing like that... Completely honest and sincere our Michael is


    Not only honest and sincere but knowledgable too. Just what a negotiator needs to be. Where's the bit where he encourages the UK to stay?


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    #8879
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    We have no freedom of speech in Ireland.

    Twitter has no obligation to allow you to say what you want.

    Yes, we do. It is a right set out in our constitution (not even an ammendment like in the US), though it is more constrained in the area of defamation.

    The problem with rightwing blowhards is that they have no idea what freedom of speech actually means. It prevents the state from bringing a criminal charge against you based on what you say, it does not give you a right to access any privatly owned platform you like to express your distasteful opinions.


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    #8880
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,101 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    I'd say get a job, problem solved.

    they already have jobs, problem not solved.
    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Thats not my problem nor should it be forced upon other tax payers.

    it has to be forced upon us tax payers to keep other potential costs low, or even remove them altogether. and not just monitary ones.
    it is your problem when the system ultimately doesn't work and we end up paying more in some way or another.
    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Tough

    not tough i am afraid.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #8881
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,101 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Conservatism is on the rise, look at Trump 2016 (and 2020), Brexit among other examples. One of the biggest problems we have today as a civilization (if not the biggest problem) is people failing to take responsibility for themselves. This needs to stop, so be it if there are some casualties along the way. We have economic migration open to all of us, get with the game or get left behind.

    conservatism doesn't deliver personal responsibility, it never has and it never will.
    the few casualties of conservatism are not few but many, and not obvious ones.
    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Thats one way to look at it. Unfortunately, it is the wrong way.

    nope, it's the correct way.
    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Lets say I get sick, should you and your family pay for my treatment if I couldn't have been bothered getting the resources together myself?

    yes, because the majority "can't be bothered" as you put it, to get the resources together.
    in reality they can be bothered, but it's not possible for them to get the resources together to pay for all of their treatment because of the costs of it verses average incomes.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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