Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Padre_Pio

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You need to watch that BBC 4 programme, watch it about ten times until it sinks in.

They discuss the backstop and what they from an EU perspective wanted to use the backstop for.

They lost that, badly.

This disproven bullsh*t program?

Run by lefty media types?

Sure sure, why bother. Even your dear leader has been exposed again retelling lies.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-nhs-spending-new-year-eve-message-a9265706.html

cryptocurrency

Padre_Pio wrote: »

This disproven bullsh*t program?

Run by lefty media types?

Sure sure, why bother. Even your dear leader has been exposed again retelling lies.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-nhs-spending-new-year-eve-message-a9265706.html

It was there on tape. In theor own words. You can't say if was remotely fake.

Boris has doubled down now. He has no choice as him and the tories are finished if he did and we all know how much the party means to them.

Even Farage is happy as he's getting off the record signals that this is gonna be fine.

I sense you'll be wrong again and hang of some meaningless date or mention the bus.

The frontstop and backstop are vastly different.. Not sure why many posters seem to think they're similar. With the backstop, the entirety of the UK had to remain in the CU which meant there couldn't be other trade deals. With the frontstop, there can be new deals.

There are pros and cons to each but the most important thing for Ireland is that either one prevents a land border. The frontstop is so much harder a Brexit and that means far more potential and far more risk for the UK.

If you are of the opinion that the UK has the EU by the balls and will strike great deals around the world, the frontstop is going to sound better for the UK. Many of us here think that that those deals won't be better and will take too many years to negotiate, so the backstop and its low testosterone stability would have been better.

But the most absurd thing to do is to just try to bring it back to it being some big win for Johnson, or the EU, as if all of Brexit is a game. If your opinions on it are solely black and white, where everything is a perfect win matched with a perfect loss, with no grey areas whatsoever, you're just operating on emotions and bias.

So crypto, do you admit that some elements of Brexit in general and the frontstop will have negative consequences for the UK? I'm not saying worse overall. I'm just saying some elements. If so, what are they?

Boredstiff666

Deleted User wrote: »

The frontstop and backstop are vastly different.. Not sure why many posters seem to think they're similar. With the backstop, the entirety of the UK had to remain in the CU which meant there couldn't be other trade deals. With the frontstop, there can be new deals.

There are pros and cons to each but the most important thing for Ireland is that either one prevents a land border. The frontstop is so much harder a Brexit and that means far more potential and far more risk for the UK.

If you are of the opinion that the UK has the EU by the balls and will strike great deals around the world, the frontstop is going to sound better for the UK. Many of us here think that that those deals won't be better and will take too many years to negotiate, so the backstop and its low testosterone stability would have been better.

But the most absurd thing to do is to just try to bring it back to it being some big win for Johnson, or the EU, as if all of Brexit is a game. If your opinions on it are solely black and white, where everything is a perfect win matched with a perfect loss, with no grey areas whatsoever, you're just operating on emotions and bias.

So crypto, do you admit that some elements of Brexit in general and the frontstop will have negative consequences for the UK? I'm not saying worse overall. I'm just saying some elements. If so, what are they?

All that has been said has already been said and its only a matter of weeks now before anything new can happen.

Brexit will happen and its in EU states interest to get a deal with UK to protect their jobs in their own countries. Britain wants to look elsewhere for trade and now can unhindered by the EU regs which will make things a lot easier.

These are all facts.

Meanwhile Ireland..........is in the ****e. So much of the Irish economy relies on the UK. The very place Leo and his sidekick relentlessly insulted and tried to so openly undermine in talks with the EU thinking they had the upperhand.

What has Leo or his successor got to bargain with? Some kind of backstop negotiated by a now far off dumped ex leader that is no longer relevent to anybody but ??????.

Their belief is that they can tie the UK into some deal otherwise it would mean terrorists on the streets or goodbye to a troublesome place that nobody really wants, understands or cares about. Added to the fact it is so simple to make that place a 'happy' place by introducing tax benefits which a side effect would further destroy the republics banana economy.

In other words we....Ireland are completely up the creek without a paddle unless we make some deal with the UK.

Forget about the racism towards the UK. Forget about the anti Brit bigotry.

We are in the ****e and the EU will want more from us and not be sending fleets of ships with tons of cash to bale us out.

To sum it up the British papers regard Leo's New Year message to the country as 'Desperate'. And I think they are correct. That is their view of this place now.

You will obviously not like that and disagree with it but then it gets a bit like one of those disaster movies where some people will not accept that the house is going to fall down when the ****e hits the fan. That is exactly what is going to happen here.

If a factory/employer closes down in a town, it affects every single business, it affects every single person. From the people who supplied the factory with materials to less pints pulled in the local pubs.

Now imagine that on the scale of the UK leaving and slamming the doors shut on this side of their country. We have no leverage. The only thing Leo has is this backstop thing he keeps banging on about which everybody else has pushed aside or can walk around.

Then we have you lot wishing the worst on the UK and its people. Do you not understand if the UK goes down then we will instantly follow to an even worse degree?

cryptocurrency

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

All that has been said has already been said and its only a matter of weeks now before anything new can happen.

Brexit will happen and its in EU states interest to get a deal with UK to protect their jobs in their own countries. Britain wants to look elsewhere for trade and now can unhindered by the EU regs which will make things a lot easier.

These are all facts.

Meanwhile Ireland..........is in the ****e. So much of the Irish economy relies on the UK. The very place Leo and his sidekick relentlessly insulted and tried to so openly undermine in talks with the EU thinking they had the upperhand.

What has Leo or his successor got to bargain with? Some kind of backstop negotiated by a now far off dumped ex leader that is no longer relevent to anybody but ??????.

Their belief is that they can tie the UK into some deal otherwise it would mean terrorists on the streets or goodbye to a troublesome place that nobody really wants, understands or cares about. Added to the fact it is so simple to make that place a 'happy' place by introducing tax benefits which a side effect would further destroy the republics banana economy.

In other words we....Ireland are completely up the creek without a paddle unless we make some deal with the UK.

Forget about the racism towards the UK. Forget about the anti Brit bigotry.

We are in the ****e and the EU will want more from us and not be sending fleets of ships with tons of cash to bale us out.

To sum it up the British papers regard Leo's New Year message to the country as 'Desperate'. And I think they are correct. That is their view of this place now.

You will obviously not like that and disagree with it but then it gets a bit like one of those disaster movies where some people will not accept that the house is going to fall down when the ****e hits the fan. That is exactly what is going to happen here.

If a factory/employer closes down in a town, it affects every single business, it affects every single person. From the people who supplied the factory with materials to less pints pulled in the local pubs.

Now imagine that on the scale of the UK leaving and slamming the doors shut on this side of their country. We have no leverage. The only thing Leo has is this backstop thing he keeps banging on about which everybody else has pushed aside or can walk around.

Then we have you lot wishing the worst on the UK and its people. Do you not understand if the UK goes down then we will instantly follow to an even worse degree?

Thrre is countless pages on this thread that shows this is driven by pure cheast beating emotion and way too much investment in the EU being the big dog here and Ireland being part of it. The reality that has started to unfold now has just increased their hysteria as Boris and Cummings arrived on the scene.

Leo needs to be out asap and get FF in as they have been smart enough to note that the Irish government tactic was stupid and gonna go wrong from as early as the summer.

Wanderer78

cryptocurrency wrote:

Leo needs to be out asap and get FF in as they have been smart enough to note that the Irish government tactic was stupid and gonna go wrong from as early as the summer.

Fg/ff, not much difference there now is there, won't be changing much round these parts, and maybe never, with these two

Boredstiff666

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Thrre is countless pages on this thread that shows this is driven by pure cheast beating emotion and way too much investment in the EU being the big dog here and Ireland being part of it. The reality that has started to unfold now has just increased their hysteria as Boris and Cummings arrived on the scene.

Leo needs to be out asap and get FF in as they have been smart enough to note that the Irish government tactic was stupid and gonna go wrong from as early as the summer.

Even so you aren't suddenly going to change the opinions in the UK businesses and people towards Ireland overnight to be positive again.

I remember last years the tourist numbers from the UK kept falling and falling. When that happens you don't magically get them back overnight.

Same with a lot of things.

Igotadose

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Even so you aren't suddenly going to change the opinions in the UK businesses and people towards Ireland overnight to be positive again.

I remember last years the tourist numbers from the UK kept falling and falling. When that happens you don't magically get them back overnight.

Same with a lot of things.

It's naive to think tourism was down because of Ireland's actions during Brexit. It's a continuing trend in the UK (inbound tourism down as well.) And, what is the tourism story for UK tourists to the continent? Down as well - also due to Ireland?

No - due to pocketbook uncertainty in the UK.

Failte Ireland quote: "The majority of these businesses (more than half) around the country are saying
that business is down from Britain and Northern Ireland. Almost seven in ten say
that the prospect of a no deal Brexit is causing them concern going forward."

(from September.) https://www.failteireland.ie/FailteIreland/media/WebsiteStructure/Documents/3_Research_Insights/3_General_SurveysReports/Failte-Ireland-Tourism-Barometer-September-2019.pdf?ext=.pdf

alastair

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

All that has been said has already been said and its only a matter of weeks now before anything new can happen.

Brexit will happen and its in EU states interest to get a deal with UK to protect their jobs in their own countries. Britain wants to look elsewhere for trade and now can unhindered by the EU regs which will make things a lot easier.

These are all facts.

Meanwhile Ireland..........is in the ****e. So much of the Irish economy relies on the UK. The very place Leo and his sidekick relentlessly insulted and tried to so openly undermine in talks with the EU thinking they had the upperhand.

What has Leo or his successor got to bargain with? Some kind of backstop negotiated by a now far off dumped ex leader that is no longer relevent to anybody but ??????.

Their belief is that they can tie the UK into some deal otherwise it would mean terrorists on the streets or goodbye to a troublesome place that nobody really wants, understands or cares about. Added to the fact it is so simple to make that place a 'happy' place by introducing tax benefits which a side effect would further destroy the republics banana economy.

In other words we....Ireland are completely up the creek without a paddle unless we make some deal with the UK.

Forget about the racism towards the UK. Forget about the anti Brit bigotry.

We are in the ****e and the EU will want more from us and not be sending fleets of ships with tons of cash to bale us out.

To sum it up the British papers regard Leo's New Year message to the country as 'Desperate'. And I think they are correct. That is their view of this place now.

You will obviously not like that and disagree with it but then it gets a bit like one of those disaster movies where some people will not accept that the house is going to fall down when the ****e hits the fan. That is exactly what is going to happen here.

If a factory/employer closes down in a town, it affects every single business, it affects every single person. From the people who supplied the factory with materials to less pints pulled in the local pubs.

Now imagine that on the scale of the UK leaving and slamming the doors shut on this side of their country. We have no leverage. The only thing Leo has is this backstop thing he keeps banging on about which everybody else has pushed aside or can walk around.

Then we have you lot wishing the worst on the UK and its people. Do you not understand if the UK goes down then we will instantly follow to an even worse degree?

The UK isn't going to 'go down', and nor is Ireland. The UK is going to suffer economically for Brexit, and so will we, to a lesser degree. Ireland is less dependent on the UK than it ever was. To that end we're as buffered from the impending UK slump as we can be. And that's all any government can be responsible for here - ensuring we're looking out for our own interests in a scenario where a neighbour is determined to shoot themselves in their foot.

Boredstiff666

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

The only thing Leo has is this backstop thing he keeps banging on about which everybody else has pushed aside or can walk around.

Can you explain this further? I'm lost.

woohoo!!!

The UK leaving, its decision means things like tariffs delays and reams of paperwork are on the cards. But it's our fault apparently. The absolute hogwash coming from folk who continue to believe that we should follow Westminsters wishes is mind boggling. The sooner this mentality is consigned to the past the better so we can get on with 21st century realities rather than blindly following old loyalties the better. The sooner that NI and Scotland leave the English echo chamber in Westminster the better. Truly a union of unequals. I trust unionists note that England does not want them and recognise that the past century of stagnation is because of this Etonian attitude. Ask Carson.

Boredstiff666

Igotadose wrote: »

It's naive to think tourism was down because of Ireland's actions during Brexit. It's a continuing trend in the UK (inbound tourism down as well.) And, what is the tourism story for UK tourists to the continent? Down as well - also due to Ireland?

No - due to pocketbook uncertainty in the UK.

Failte Ireland quote: "The majority of these businesses (more than half) around the country are saying
that business is down from Britain and Northern Ireland. Almost seven in ten say
that the prospect of a no deal Brexit is causing them concern going forward."

(from September.) https://www.failteireland.ie/FailteIreland/media/WebsiteStructure/Documents/3_Research_Insights/3_General_SurveysReports/Failte-Ireland-Tourism-Barometer-September-2019.pdf?ext=.pdf

I didnt say that. Dont twist my words or call me Niamh. I am a hairy bloke.

I was giving an example of business loss and how hard it is to get back.

Boredstiff666

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you explain this further? I'm lost.

In what way?

Boredstiff666

woohoo!!! wrote: »

The UK leaving, its decision means things like tariffs delays and reams of paperwork are on the cards. But it's our fault apparently.

Nobody has said that and certainly not me.

Trying to muddy the waters than face reality.

Boredstiff666

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

In what way?

Everyone can walk what Leo has been talking about?

Boredstiff666

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone can walk what Leo has been talking about?

' The only thing Leo has is this backstop thing he keeps banging on about which everybody else has pushed aside or can walk around.'

Leo keeps banging on about this but that was talked/negotiated by someone who has gone (May) Her stuff aint there anymore.

Boris has already hinted at Tax Zones in NI. Be much easier to go further at the first sign of any squabbling or trouble.

None of this is good news for Republic.

So what has Leo got to bargain with? What has he got that the UK is so urgently in need of?

Probably nowt.

timetogo1

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

' The only thing Leo has is this backstop thing he keeps banging on about which everybody else has pushed aside or can walk around.'

Leo keeps banging on about this but that was talked/negotiated by someone who has gone (May) Her stuff aint there anymore.

Boris has already hinted at Tax Zones in NI. Be much easier to go further at the first sign of any squabbling or trouble.

None of this is good news for Republic.

So what has Leo got to bargain with? What has he got that the UK is so urgently in need of?

Probably nowt.

Well he's the leader of a country in the EU and like the other 26 can make it harder or easier for the UK. Trade deals have to be approved by all of the member states. Thats not good news for the UK.
Obviously the UK is not worried about having friends in other countries but thatll change in a few years when the reality of Brexit kicks in.

woohoo!!!

woohoo!!! wrote: »

The UK leaving, its decision means things like tariffs delays and reams of paperwork are on the cards. But it's our fault apparently. The absolute hogwash coming from folk who continue to believe that we should follow Westminsters wishes is mind boggling. The sooner this mentality is consigned to the past the better so we can get on with 21st century realities rather than blindly following old loyalties the better. The sooner that NI and Scotland leave the English echo chamber in Westminster the better. Truly a union of unequals. I trust unionists note that England does not want them and recognise that the past century of stagnation is because of this Etonian attitude. Ask Carson.

The posters in relation to the U.K. having nothing but the brightest future once Brexit is complete are, apart from one, English people living in Ireland, so I'm sure that they will be returning at the end of the month/when ever it actually happens, to begin reaping the rewards of their compatriots decision and deal making skills.

Now none of the English friends I have living here plan to return because it's their opinion that it's not going to be all bright and cherry.
Some that are still living in the U.K. are trying to decide if they should stay or emigrate now rather than later.

Guy:Incognito

Kidchameleon wrote: »

So if a guy enters a burning building to save a child and he dies in the process, he is not a hero?



Where does he say that? Could you give me a timestamp? I don't see that at all... As far as I can see, he is showing blatant disregard for Ireland. Like we are some kind of pawn. And therein lies one of the main problems with the EU and giant government - people born in France, working in Brussels tend not to give a sh1t about us. We need to be ruled by those whom we elect ourselves. You can tell me all the usual BS about the EU that it is the most democratic organization on Earth but it is clear for us all to see, once we don't have our heads buried deep in the sand, that the EU is in charge of Ireland. We have given them too much power. They are losing grip though, thankfully.

This is the very same stuff as "politicians up in dublin dont care about us down here in Kerry/Sligo/Donegal etc"

What's the answer, break up countries and have every county be it's own country? But then itll be that the lads in the city dont care about us in x town. Maybe have every town be it's own country?

What does Boris sitting in Westminster care for a little mining village in Wales?

KildareP

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

' The only thing Leo has is this backstop thing he keeps banging on about which everybody else has pushed aside or can walk around.'

Leo keeps banging on about this but that was talked/negotiated by someone who has gone (May) Her stuff aint there anymore.

Boris has already hinted at Tax Zones in NI. Be much easier to go further at the first sign of any squabbling or trouble.

None of this is good news for Republic.

So what has Leo got to bargain with? What has he got that the UK is so urgently in need of?

Probably nowt.

What’s your solution, give the UK everything they want in the hope they’ll remain friends with us?

Westminster doesn’t give a toss about Nations other than England in the UK, it certainly isn’t going to give a toss about Ireland.

Time to look after our interests and have our reliance on the UK tend towards to 0.
Brexit is going to hurt no matter what.

Boredstiff666

I am not saying that Britain is going to have a rosey future.

I am not saying anything at all about Britain except ...NOW THEY WILL BE LEAVING AND IT ALL STARTS NEXT MONTH.

What I am saying is forget all that and realise ....WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.

For those who ridiculously think that Leo has this powerful position at the head of the EU and is going to command and dictate to all in Irelands favour............ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT STUPID?

Do you think for one moment that Macron and Merkal and whoever is going to let little Paddy and his banana republic orchestrate talks in favour of Ireland over what may happen elsewhere in the EU countries like Germany and France?

Do you really think Little Leo has an equal say at that big table?

If you do you are seriously deluded.

We are nobody in the big scheme of things and if deals are struck with the UK to suit other places in the EU at the expence of Ireland then those in Brussels will do it in a heartbeat without even thinking.

That is simply business.

FrancieBrady

When the UK copper-fastened the notion (finally) that they were leaving it was safe to stop paying attention to them.

And that is what I have done, with the safeguards of the deal Johnson had to swallow we can now just look on at what happens to them. I feel sorry for those caught up in something they didn't want and I will help out if they need it, which I think some will.

We will take a hit here as we adjust and I am confident that we will emerge in a stronger position, our 'dependence' on UK markets down another few percent and we will have finally convinced the middle ground in NI that a UI is the only way forward to a secure future within the EU.

I also expect the EU to reform (it will never be all things to all people) but it will be a better place without having to allow self serving opt outs and veto's to a member who could never bring itself to being a committed member.

timetogo1

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

For those who ridiculously think that Leo has this powerful position at the head of the EU and is going to command and dictate to all in Irelands favour............ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT STUPID?

Just to clarify. Who are you saying thinks that? I haven't seen anybody on this thread saying that?
Is it your mates, people in the media, posters on boards , or the voices in your head? Can you link to any sources please.

Boredstiff666

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

I am not saying that Britain is going to have a rosey future.

I am not saying anything at all about Britain except ...NOW THEY WILL BE LEAVING AND IT ALL STARTS NEXT MONTH.

What I am saying is forget all that and realise ....WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.

For those who ridiculously think that Leo has this powerful position at the head of the EU and is going to command and dictate to all in Irelands favour............ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT STUPID?

Do you think for one moment that Macron and Merkal and whoever is going to let little Paddy and his banana republic orchestrate talks in favour of Ireland over what may happen elsewhere in the EU countries like Germany and France?

Do you really think Little Leo has an equal say at that big table?

If you do you are seriously deluded.

We are nobody in the big scheme of things and if deals are struck with the UK to suit other places in the EU at the expence of Ireland then those in Brussels will do it in a heartbeat without even thinking.

That is simply business.

So that's a no on returning to the U.K. then, and staying here to lecture us poor ignorant paddies on not doing what the U.K. did.

Kidchameleon

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What does Boris sitting in Westminster care for a little mining village in Wales?

More than some beaurocrat in Brussels.

Have not had a chance to watch the BBC vid, will get to it today....

Regarding the Jews, high IQ in general, I like them.

First Up

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

That is simply business.

That is what the UK has been pinning its hopes on for the past three years and it is as bad a miscalculation now as it was the first time they left Brussels with their heads under their arms.

Business is part of it but there is more to business than the UK's bilateral trade with EU countries. The UK has consistently failed to grasp this point from the outset and it undermines their entire exit strategy and aspirations for future relations.

The jewel in the EU's crown is the Single Market (with the Euro a close second). The SM (and Euro) has allowed business all across Europe to interact without any barriers - creating efficiencies, reducing costs, building sophisticated supply and value chains, enabling collaborative research, building scale and all this allowing European industry replicate the sort of efficiencies that enabled the US achieve economic power.

European industry, EU governments and the EU institutions all understand that. Nothing will be allowed to threaten it. (That's NOTHING in your language.)

I could go on about the superb job Ireland has done in building alliances across all EU governments, to the extent that the utterances from Ministers from Austria, Estonia, Spain Germany and the rest could all have been written in Merrion St or Iveagh House.

I could go on further and describe meetings in Brussels where heads turn in the direction of the Irish delegation to check if what is being proposed passes the "Irish test".

Everyone knows Ireland is first in the Brexit firing line. That makes it easy to say if it doesn't get past Ireland, it doesn't go anywhere.

Of course there will be horse trading over specifics; that goes on every day anyway - always has. But if the UK continues to think it has a trump card because it is bigger than Ireland, they it will continue to be disappointed with the outcome.

lawred2

cryptocurrency wrote: »

No it can't. If the USA said ban Huawei then the EU needs to jump to their tune. THe UK is well aware of what is more important and the secuirty arrangements of the 5 eyes network and central to that the USA is far more important then a little noise from the EU. Let's not forget the EU doesn't really have any secuirty arrangements, they totally depend on others.
They will jump into line.

Hasn't the exact opposite just happened?

Boredstiff666

timetogo1 wrote: »

Just to clarify. Who are you saying thinks that? I haven't seen anybody on this thread saying that?
Is it your mates, people in the media, posters on boards , or the voices in your head? Can you link to any sources please.

The word .....'IF' means things like....just in case...

So nobody has as you say 'said it'.........but it warns you not to think that way. So nobody has to provide with any sources it is a term of speech.

In any case it is irrelevent as the events which are about to unfold regardless of who you hate, or scoff at, or blame, or wish bad too, or anything.............arent going to change what will happen here.

Its a bit like a group of old woman witnessing a car accident and they then stand around on the corner babbling on about what they saw and whose fault it is and what should happen to them and why it wont.

The point is......its p*ssing down with rain, the cars on fire and we dont have any transport......and we aint got no money.

So the important points are........How the f*ck are we going to get home.

timetogo1

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

The word .....'IF' means things like....just in case...

So nobody has as you say 'said it'.........but it warns you not to think that way. So nobody has to provide with any sources it is a term of speech.

In any case it is irrelevent as the events which are about to unfold regardless of who you hate, or scoff at, or blame, or wish bad too, or anything.............arent going to change what will happen here.

Its a bit like a group of old woman witnessing a car accident and they then stand around on the corner babbling on about what they saw and whose fault it is and what should happen to them and why it wont.

The point is......its p*ssing down with rain, the cars on fire and we dont have any transport......and we aint got no money.

So the important points are........How the f*ck are we going to get home.

Ah, so just ranting into the void. Fair enough. Maybe it'd be Smarter to rant about stuff that people actually said rather than using "if".

FrancieBrady

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

The word .....'IF' means things like....just in case...

So nobody has as you say 'said it'.........but it warns you not to think that way. So nobody has to provide with any sources it is a term of speech.

In any case it is irrelevent as the events which are about to unfold regardless of who you hate, or scoff at, or blame, or wish bad too, or anything.............arent going to change what will happen here.

Its a bit like a group of old woman witnessing a car accident and they then stand around on the corner babbling on about what they saw and whose fault it is and what should happen to them and why it wont.

The point is......its p*ssing down with rain, the cars on fire and we dont have any transport......and we aint got no money.

So the important points are........How the f*ck are we going to get home.

What events are 'about to unfold'?