Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

SantaCruz

J Mysterio wrote: »

Did they punish the Greeks?

Are they seeking to punish the UK for leaving?

Let me give the Brexiteer answers:

1. Yes
2. No, they can't because they are a tin pot club who couldn't even punish Malta.

Smarter observers will notice some contradictions in the rabid Brexiteer positions here.

J Mysterio

SantaCruz wrote: »

Let me give the Brexiteer answers:

1. Yes
2. No, they can't because they are a tin pot club who couldn't even punish Malta.

Smarter observers will notice some contradictions in the rabid Brexiteer positions here.

You spoiled it.

cryptocurrency

J Mysterio wrote: »

Did they punish the Greeks?

Are they seeking to punish the UK for leaving?

The world watched them punish Greece and Ireland, but you are off your head if you think that they could try it with the UK. The UK still has the pound, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and is a daylight mile ahead of the rest of the EU as a a security force. Such efforts on the UK would spell the end of the EU. This isn't a game....there is lots of people in the UK who want to see the EU punished just for some of the tricks they tried on with May. There is zero tolerance out there for any more antics from the EU without some severe consequences for them.

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The world watched them punish Greece and Ireland, but you are off your head if you think that they could try it with the UK. The UK still has the pound, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and is a daylight mile ahead of the rest of the EU as a a security force. Such efforts on the UK would spell the end of the EU. This isn't a game....there is lots of people in the UK who want to see the EU punished just for some of the tricks they tried on with May. There is zero tolerance out there for any more antics from the EU without some severe consequences for them.

So it'll simply be a beautiful No Deal. I hope those people wanting to punish the EU for "what they did to May" will also want to punish Boris for paying billions and putting a border in his own country for literally nothing in the event of no final deal.

Splitting your country just to get into trade talks. High testosterone manly behaviour indeed.

cryptocurrency

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So it'll simply be a beautiful No Deal. I hope those people wanting to punish the EU for "what they did to May" will also want to punish Boris for paying billions and putting a border in his own country for literally nothing in the event of no final deal.

Splitting your country just to get into trade talks. High testosterone manly behaviour indeed.

What did he split? Scotland as anyone with a brain, 🧠knows isn't going anywhere.
Hoping and praying he can off load the economic basket case of the north is sound business and if he can pull it off then fair play to him. People if Britain really doesn't care.
The harsh truth is also the fact the north would cost Ireland about 25 years of economic development...all the talk and posturing over a place that even under the most romantic of dreams would be a utter disaster to inherit.

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Scotland as anyone with a brain, 🧠knows isn't going anywhere.

Why not?

Wanderer78

cryptocurrency wrote:

What did he split? Scotland as anyone with a brain, 🧠knows isn't going anywhere. Hoping and praying he can off load the economic basket case of the north is sound business and if he can pull it off then fair play to him. People if Britain really doesn't care. The harsh truth is also the fact the north would cost Ireland about 25 years of economic development...all the talk and posturing over a place that even under the most romantic of dreams would be a utter disaster to inherit.

We potentially could be looking at the breakup of the uk here

timetogo1

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The harsh truth is also the fact the north would cost Ireland about 25 years of economic development...all the talk and posturing over a place that even under the most romantic of dreams would be a utter disaster to inherit.

1: When we have referendums we tend to outline the plan of what will happen for both scenarios so the people vote on something definite rather than romantic notions. There are people with the romantic notions, they're not the majority.

2: Good job we're part of the EU so we could create a plan with our partners to improve NI rather than just romantically decide to take NI back. And NI have to agree too.

3: How many years of economic development is Brexit costing the UK? You're in favour of that but against NI rejoining with Ireland because of similar negatives. I agree NI is a disaster and we couldnt take it back without a major plan and help.

Anyway this isn't something that is going to happen soon. Its more likely now thanks to Brexit but Ireland isn't stupid. I'd say give it a decade or 2.

davedanon

crypto reminds me of a kid in a schoolyard with a bigger friend, that's being beaten up by an even bigger kid. crypto's going "yeah, just keep on hitting him. Sooner or later, he's gonna get MAD. And then you'll be sorry!"

woohoo!!!

The world is looking and thinks the US and UK have lost their marbles. Splendid isolation in a global world is a fantasy.

cryptocurrency

Wanderer78 wrote: »

We potentially could be looking at the breakup of the uk here

The UK maybe but Britain no. The UK would be a masterstroke

Who would look after the north then, who could afford the £12billion deficit

cryptocurrency

woohoo!!! wrote: »

The world is looking and thinks the US and UK have lost their marbles. Splendid isolation in a global world is a fantasy.

The World has always looked at the UK and US that way. They still can't do anything about it. They can look on as much as they like, but they can't isolate and they just have to accept it. Its not their world to do anything about it.

Please add Israel in with the UK and US. Watch and get the hump all you like, it will male no difference.

Wanderer78

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The UK maybe but Britain no. The UK would be a masterstroke

Who would look after the north then, who could afford the £12billion deficit

if the uk breaks up, expect big problems, including for us

money creation is relatively easy, financial institutions can simply create it, id imagine eu institutions would step in to help with funding of the north

cryptocurrency

Wanderer78 wrote: »

if the uk breaks up, expect big problems, including for us

money creation is relatively easy, financial institutions can simply create it, id imagine eu institutions would step in to help with funding of the north

Very limited funding, huge austerity and restructuring and utter chaos.

And it would kick off.

woohoo!!!

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The World has always looked at the UK and US that way. They still can't do anything about it. They can look on as much as they like, but they can't isolate and they just have to accept it. Its not their world to do anything about it.

Please add Israel in with the UK and US. Watch and get the hump all you like, it will male no difference.

In terms of allies, Israel is consistent. The US and UK have recently being pissing off their allies, more so than usual. I think beyond exiting the EU, the UK doesn't really know what it wants or what's realistically achievable in a short time frame. I think NATO is under serious threat of fragmentation.

woohoo!!!

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Very limited funding, huge austerity and restructuring and utter chaos.

And it would kick off.

I agree that's the future by staying in the UK.

SantaCruz

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The world watched them punish Greece and Ireland, but you are off your head if you think that they could try it with the UK. The UK still has the pound, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and is a daylight mile ahead of the rest of the EU as a a security force. Such efforts on the UK would spell the end of the EU. This isn't a game....there is lots of people in the UK who want to see the EU punished just for some of the tricks they tried on with May. There is zero tolerance out there for any more antics from the EU without some severe consequences for them.

You forgot the nuclear weapons. Remember the nukes.

These, combined with a permananent seat at the UN, makes them a country immune to economic decline somewhow, isn't that right Ron?

SantaCruz

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The UK maybe but Britain no. The UK would be a masterstroke

Who would look after the north then, who could afford the £12billion deficit

Even if we lose, it will be on purpose, and a masterstroke!

Priceless :pac:

theological

SantaCruz wrote: »

The money markets will move to where the money is. Far from the EU being cut off from the financial markets, the London market will lose importance.

I find the notion that the financial markets will wave bye bye to EU business for some reason to be absolutely absurd.

Where else do you propose doing this business considering that no other place outside of London or Zurich in Europe has this infrastructure?

There have been attempts to move it to another place but no-one can agree where it should be. The important thing is that it needs to be in one place.

From financial institutions the moves so far have been in hundreds rather than thousands and most preparations for Brexit are already done. The FCA asked banks to provide their plans two years ago for different scenarios and in many cases they have been acted on.

RasTa

Thought this guy would be retired on all his bitcoin profits by now

Donald Trump

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The world watched them punish Greece and Ireland, but you are off your head if you think that they could try it with the UK. The UK still has the pound, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and is a daylight mile ahead of the rest of the EU as a a security force. Such efforts on the UK would spell the end of the EU. This isn't a game....there is lots of people in the UK who want to see the EU punished just for some of the tricks they tried on with May. There is zero tolerance out there for any more antics from the EU without some severe consequences for them.

That's great that they still have the pound.

As I'm sure you are aware, George Soros, basically on his own, spotted a weakness and manipulated the pound to make huge amounts of money in the 90's.
The UK lost something like 1bn trying to defend the pound but in the end up had to concede defeat and give up.
It forced them out of the ERM, which no doubt you will say is something they planned all along.......despite that 1bn they spent at the time trying to prop it up!

Of course, one man, George Soros, is infinitely more powerful and wealthy than the weak and fragile EU countries though I suppose.

FrancieBrady

Wanderer78 wrote: »

We potentially could be looking at the breakup of the uk here

The UK has broken up to all intents and purposes. It is a deadman walking politically and is in divisive chaos internally.

We in the EU are trying for three years to deal with that, and have dealt with it, largely.

The final hurdle is to manage the actual exit now in the least damaging way to us.

And of course prepare for Cypto and his mates revenge.

SantaCruz

theological wrote: »

Where else do you propose doing this business considering that no other place outside of London or Zurich in Europe has this infrastructure?

Can you please elaborate on the nature of this 'infrastructure'?

Wanderer78

cryptocurrency wrote:

Very limited funding, huge austerity and restructuring and utter chaos.

Funding is virtually unlimited, with billions, if not trillions in savings within EU financial institutions, and with major institutions such as the ecb, eib, etc etc having the ability to effectively create money on tab, the funds are there.

Austerity, what a load of nonsense that one is, it's well proven how much damage it does to a society, both the uk and ourselves have experienced it.

davedanon

It was imposed on us. I've never understood why the UK went down that road - apart from the Tories being heartless ****s, of course.

Kidchameleon

Wanderer78 wrote: »

major institutions such as the ecb, eib, etc etc having the ability to effectively create money on tab,

Creating money out of thin air makes money less valuable. It is pretty much valueless against gold already that's before you think of who pays for the money that is created? The answer is, your children and your children's children. The "creation" of money is what caused the fall of many empires. It was the chief cause of the economic downturn in 08/09 and the recession that followed after. Have we learned nothing?

davedanon

The gold standard was abolished decades ago. QE is commonplace the world over now. Not saying it's always a good thing, but it's not some harebrained thing the EU would be pursuing on its own. And the nub of the point about NI is correct. If Brexit ended up creating a united Ireland, the north's £10-12bn subsidy would be chump change in EU terms, and I could see the north receiving some sort of structural funds, or some other financial assistance to ameliorate the damage to the two economies which would otherwise be caused.

easypazz

If the uk wanted us to take over the 6 then we would only agree to it if they were willing to continue to fund the economy up there.

Or else the eu would underwrite it.

I cant see how it would ever be a united ireland with the gardai replacing the psni etc., they would have to continue some way independent to pacify unionists.

Smiles35

Nothing has to be done with the north. To northerners this is bluecard country (The EU's version of a greencard is called a bluecard.) If Ireland and the E.U. want to help the north financially then the best way would be to provide solid jobs here down south. Their burden on Britian balancing their books (if it does become an issue) will be lessened then.

FrancieBrady

easypazz wrote: »

If the uk wanted us to take over the 6 then we would only agree to it if they were willing to continue to fund the economy up there.

Or else the eu would underwrite it.

I cant see how it would ever be a united ireland with the gardai replacing the psni etc., they would have to continue some way independent to pacify unionists.

The north is on a collision course

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with a decision on it's future and how much longer we on these islands can continue to fool ourselves.
IMO the forward looking entities with regard to the north are those who want a full, frank and transparent conversation on what that future will look like.

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