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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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    #962
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    blinding wrote: »
    A Referendum followed by a General Election where 83% Voted for Parties that said they would Respect the Referendum result is not enough Democracy for Brexit for You . It doesn’t look like you are a Democrat . :eek: I assume you are a Eu-Phile .:eek:


    Here we are with the old trick of claiming evertone bar who voted or the Greens and the Lib Dems was automatically a Brexit suporter!

    blinding wrote: »
    And British Democracy and the British People expect their Democracy to be Respected .

    They understand that their Democracy is Far More Important Than the Eu . Not Surprisingly .

    We don't care - if the British people not having their choice respected is not Ireland's or the EUs doing!
    blinding wrote: »
    Its not offering a deal acceptable to the House of Commons . Admittedly many MPs are using every possible tactic to frustrate the Democratic decision of the People .

    Again....we don't care! Firstly, the EU didn't "offer" anything, it agreed, in partnership. Secondly, the EU is not obliged to say "How High" when the UK says "Jump". Mr. Trump won't do so on any future relationship the UK builds with the US either. Neither will any other countries leader.

    blinding wrote: »
    To be honest . Boris should call a General Election ASAP .

    You mean Boris who is about to be elected PM of the great democracy by the majority within an electorate that represent less then a quarter of one percent of the UK population? That Boris? Calling a General Election - There's a good chance he won't actually have a choice!

    blinding wrote: »
    If Boris calls a General election where Brexit is the most important factor and Boris gets a Majority then it will hardly be surprising that Brexit follows there after .

    But Teresa May didn't get a majority in 2017 and you hold up the result of that election as one that confirmed the wishes of the people....so that argument has already been lost!

    blinding wrote: »
    Leave the Eu and offer a border poll in Northern Ireland . The Demographic of Northern Ireland will almost certainly very soon cause a Border Poll . where’s the downside for the Brits . Save £11 billion on Northern Ireland and out of the Eu . Lovely Jubbly .

    You seem to think The RoI get a United Ireland lumped upon them whether they like it or not, if N. Ireland says so!
    blinding wrote: »
    Though ,I am a huge fan of Nigel

    That's pretty obvious seeing as all you can do is give is stance on everything almost word for word. All that's missing is the ridiculous GATT 24 claim! Although I think maybe Nigel himself has given up on that one!


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    #963
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    blinding wrote: »
    Obviously , Most British People thought they were living in a Democracy and that there Democratic decision would be respected .

    In another Referendum it would be all about British Democracy and I would be surprised if that did not lead to an even greater Vote for Democracy and Freedom .

    Yeah a lot of polls where showing the leave vote if anything slightly increased in a 2nd referendum which is why we are hearing a lot less from Blair and his buddies now, then again the polls where wrong the last time. I think a slow realization has crept in over the last year that there is no point continuing to subvert the democratic will of the people as those people aren't going away and it would cause more trouble than it's worth.

    I'd be 90% sure we will see the UK leave now on the deadline with or without a deal. The fudges are over.


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    #964
    Harika
    Registered Users Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Harika


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of polls where showing the leave vote if anything slightly increased in a 2nd referendum which is why we are hearing a lot less from Blair and his buddies now, then again the polls where wrong the last time. I think a slow realization has crept in over the last year that there is no point continuing to subvert the democratic will of the people as those people aren't going away and it would cause more trouble than it's worth.

    I'd be 90% sure we will see the UK leave now on the deadline with or without a deal. The fudges are over.

    If you compare the Pro-Brexit Pro-No-Brexit marches it paints a clear picture who will be more active afterwards. BJ won#t have an easy life any outcome.


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    #965
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So you would be for a second ref then? Britain's political class are unable to sort this out - they need clarification from the people on how to proceed.
    They first need to give their Verdict on this Parliament of MPs at a General Election . If after a General Election the new parliament votes for another referendum then so be it particularly if that is in their General Election Manifestos .


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    #966
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Well, IMO, you'd be looking at the Scots wanting their own "Border Poll" after that in that instance, so you're precipitating the break up of the UK as a result of Brexit?
    If the Scots can come up with 50% + 1 for Independence then off they go . Funnily enough one of their main stumbling blocks was what currency they would use after Independence . The Scots did not warm to the Euro at all . No Way for the Euro in Scotland Jimmy !


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    #967
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Farage would not want to be in No 10 as he would be exposed.
    oooh er missus . Nigel in Number 10 , Trump in the White House ....It certainly wouldn’t be boring ! Sure Boris is almost as good .


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    #968
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    They first need to give their Verdict on this Parliament of MPs at a General Election . If after a General Election the new parliament votes for another referendum then so be it particularly if that is in their General Election Manifestos .

    You demanding that the UK calls a premature GE is not exactly the definition of democracy is it?


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    #969
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    First Up wrote: »
    Will you be getting some new words for Christmas?
    There are no better words than these for Human Kind .


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    #970
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You demanding that the UK calls a premature GE is not exactly the definition of democracy is it?
    Why would calling another referendum before the first one has been enacted be more Democratic than a General Election . I sense Chicken on a General Election from remainers .

    The Lib-dems are picking between two no-bodies for their leader . Corbin is buried in Anti-semitism and that sense that he was something different has long since waned .

    The Conservatives with the Brexit party on a Brexit platform should be able to win a majority .

    Thats Democracy Folks and I love it .


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    #971
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    blinding wrote: »
    There are no better words than these for Human Kind .

    Drinking, riding?


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    #972
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Drinking, riding?
    In a democracy . without Democracy there is No Freedom .

    Have a look at Hong Kong and where its going !


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    #973
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    blinding wrote: »
    You have to admire the British People for Understanding that their Democracy is way More Important than the Eu .

    .

    What about when they democratically colonised half the world?


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    #974
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    What about when they democratically colonised half the world?

    In a democracy, you democratically democratise that democracy or your democracy runs out of democracy and you democratically can't your democracy a democracy because FREEDOM!!!


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    #975
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    What about when they democratically colonised half the world?
    They have learned form their mistakes . Thats why Northern Ireland / Scotland can go if they get 50% +1 to leave the British Union .

    When you see the carry on in Hong Kong now you realise how important the Democracy of your Country is . Its a salutary lesson to all and Re-Mainers must acknowledge that their not respecting the Democratic Decision to Brexit is a very worrying sign for Democracy in Britain . The losers must respect the decision as has happened in Ireland Re ; same sex marriage and abortion .

    I love Democracy .


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    #976
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    blinding wrote: »
    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Genuine question for you.

    What is your version of brexit?

    Leave on the 31st of October , Deal or No Deal .

    There has been enough faffing about .

    I would of course offer a Border Poll for Northern Ireland . Though it doesn’t look like it would have a notion of passing . If it did Leo and Chums would sh!te themselves . Even a border poll would be a loosener for them .
    I'm struggling as to the logic here as both of these scenarios (deal or no-deal) have very different outcomes.
    Should Westminster agree to the WA then Northern Ireland will be in a strong position in Europe and one can assume that things will remain in that way for a long time (the only incentive for a Border Poll would be Nationalistic ideals rather than financial ones).
    However, should there be a no-deal, then the belief is that NI will look to leave the UK (as it will be financially hammered from a no-deal) and it is widely believed that Scotland will do the same.
    How can someone who believes in the United Kingdom believe in a plan that is highly likely to commence the end of that union?


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    #977
    KildareP
    Registered Users Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭KildareP


    blinding wrote: »
    If the Scots can come up with 50% + 1 for Independence then off they go . Funnily enough one of their main stumbling blocks was what currency they would use after Independence . The Scots did not warm to the Euro at all . No Way for the Euro in Scotland Jimmy !
    The Tories have indicated they will "not allow" Scotland have another referendum.


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    #978
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    In a democracy, you democratically democratise that democracy or your democracy runs out of democracy and you democratically can't your democracy a democracy because FREEDOM!!!
    Do you respect Democracy and the Freedom that comes with Democracy ?


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    #979
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,920 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    blinding wrote: »
    They have learned form their mistakes . Thats why Northern Ireland / Scotland can go if they get 50% +1 to leave the British Union
    Northern ireland or Scotland can't just go. They need to be given permission to have a referendum by the WM government which is predominantly English.
    Currently these referenda are not on the table.


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    #980
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    blinding wrote: »
    They have learned form their mistakes . Thats why Northern Ireland / Scotland can go if they get 50% +1 to leave the British Union .

    .

    Convenient that it was after everyone else wasnt given a choice that they learnt , wasnt it.


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    #981
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    Why would calling another referendum before the first one has been enacted be more Democratic than a General Election . I sense Chicken on a General Election from remainers .

    The Lib-dems are picking between two no-bodies for their leader . Corbin is buried in Anti-semitism and that sense that he was something different has long since waned .

    The Conservatives with the Brexit party on a Brexit platform should be able to win a majority .

    Thats Democracy Folks and I love it .

    In the context of why you want a GE,(to reiterate Leave or to stay) what is the difference between that and a UK parliament deciding that another referendum is appropriate because no consensus on how to leave can be reached by parliament.

    Surely if a sovereign (allegedly) parliament cannot reach consensus then back to the people is the only way?


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    #982
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    blinding wrote: »
    Do you respect Democracy and the Freedom that comes with Democracy ?

    I respect the freedom and democracy that comes with being democratically in a democracy and allowing people the freedom in a democracy to exercise their democratic freedom while living under a democracy in total freedom. Democracy. Freedom.

    Do I need to add a smiley emoji at the end for added freedom and democracy?


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    #983
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    KildareP wrote: »
    The Tories have indicated they will "not allow" Scotland have another referendum.
    If the scots show figure anywhere near 50% +1 then they will not be able to stop it . Funnily enough most Scots think its far too soon to have another referendum . they were told by both sides that the last one was a once in a generation referendum .

    Incidentally do you think if the SNP / Scots got 52% for Independence that they would become an Independent Country ?;)


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    #984
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Northern ireland or Scotland can't just go. They need to be given permission to have a referendum by the WM government which is predominantly English.
    Currently these referenda are not on the table.
    Scotland had a referendum only very recently on Independence . Do you think that if the SNP / Scots got 52% that they would have become an Independent Country ?:P


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    #985
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I respect the freedom and democracy that comes with being democratically in a democracy and allowing people the freedom in a democracy to exercise their democratic freedom while living under a democracy in total freedom. Democracy. Freedom.

    Do I need to add a smiley emoji at the end for added freedom and democracy?
    I am glad that you appear to becoming around to Democracy . I Love Democracy:P


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    #986
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    Scotland had a referendum only very recently on Independence . Do you think that if the SNP / Scots got 52% that they would have become an Independent Country ?:P

    Only if they could agree the terms/deal on which to leave.

    The point you are trenchantly refusing to see/accept


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    #987
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    In the context of why you want a GE,(to reiterate Leave or to stay) what is the difference between that and a UK parliament deciding that another referendum is appropriate because no consensus on how to leave can be reached by parliament.

    Surely if a sovereign (allegedly) parliament cannot reach consensus then back to the people is the only way?
    The Electorate need to give their Verdict on this Parliament and their handling of the Brexit Referendum Result in a General Election .


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    #988
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Only if they could agree the terms/deal on which to leave.

    The point you are trenchantly refusing to see/accept
    You believe that The SNP would not have declared Independence if they had got 52% or 50%+ 1 for that matter :P:eek::D


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    #989
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    The Electorate need to give their Verdict on this Parliament and their handling of the Brexit Referendum Result in a General Election .

    So you keep dictating. That is a decision for them not you, the EU or anyone else.

    Are you sure you understand what a democracy is?


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    #990
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    blinding wrote: »
    oooh er missus . Nigel in Number 10 , Trump in the White House ....It certainly wouldn’t be boring ! Sure Boris is almost as good .

    Do you think Nige was right in saying Ursula Von Der Leyen has power but no legitimacy? She got got 52% of the vote.


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    #991
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    You believe that The SNP would not have declared Independence if they had got 52% or 50+ 1 for that matter :P:eek::D


    They don't just stand up and leave. They too would have to negotiate a deal and ratify it.
    If they were not able to do that in Scotland (as the UK with Brexit) they would be going nowhere until they could.


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