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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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    #1832
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Britain is doomed outside the EU.

    How many other countries are outside the EU and how many of them are "doomed"?


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    #1833
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,601 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    How many other countries are outside the EU and how many of them are "doomed"?

    Silly misdirection, not was intended. Britain's doomed because they've proven to be untrustworthy (well, proven *again* I suppose) in negotiations. Their government negotiated an agreement with the EU on withdrawal. They then tore it up.

    How can any country trust them in any other negotiation?

    But, it'll all be grand. Scarper from the EU, sorry about you not being able to land your planes in EU airports anymore. Just get in line at the ports.

    Hey, it'll help with global warming - fewer flights from England to the EU.


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    #1834
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Many countries are not in the EU and have negociated their own trade deals.

    But but ... you are in favour of no deal.


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    #1835
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    How many other countries are outside the EU and how many of them are "doomed"?

    I dont actually believe you are arguing any point you actually believe. U.K. trade is 40% with the EU and many other trade deals it has come from membership of the EU.

    Other countries not in the EU were never in it.

    This goes around in circles though. You give us pithy answers. Best if you explain in a few points why you think the U.K. will prosper.


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    #1836
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    But but ... you are in favour of no deal.

    Id rather there was a deal. No deal would be good for the giggles. Either way the UK would be grand


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    #1837
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    I dont actually believe you are arguing any point you actually believe. U.K. trade is 40% with the EU and many other trade deals it has come from membership of the EU.

    Other countries not in the EU were never in it.

    This goes around in circles though. You give us pithy answers. Best if you explain in a few points why you think the U.K. will prosper.

    I have asked you a question. How many countries are outside the EU and how many of them are doomed? Are you trying to avoid answering that by asking me more questions?


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    #1838
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    How many other countries are outside the EU and how many of them are "doomed"?
    They haven't based their entire economy on trading with the EU for the past 50 yrs.

    And most of their GDP's are tiny compared to most EU countries.

    Take a look at most of them.
    https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/calculation-customs-duties/rules-origin/introduction/list-noneu-countries_en

    COUNTRY


    ARRANGEMENTS APPLICABLE

    AFGHANISTAN


    EBA

    ALBANIA


    PAN EURO MED

    ALGERIA


    PAN EURO MED

    AMERICAN SAMOA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    ANDORRA


    CUSTOMS UNIONS (Andorra)

    ANGOLA


    EBA

    ANGUILLA


    OCT

    ANTARCTICA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    ARGENTINA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    ARMENIA


    GSP+

    ARUBA


    OCT

    AUSTRALIA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    AZERBAIJAN


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    BAHAMAS


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    BAHRAIN


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    BANGLADESH


    EBA

    BARBADOS


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    BELARUS


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    BELIZE


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    BENIN


    EBA

    BERMUDA


    OCT

    BHUTAN


    EBA

    BOLIVIA


    GSP+

    BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA


    PAN EURO MED

    BOTSWANA


    ACP (EU-SADC FTA – MAR), GSP (until 31/12/2015)

    BOUVET ISLAND


    OCT

    BRAZIL


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    BRITISH INDIAN OCEAN TERRITORY


    OCT

    BRUNEI DARUSSALAM


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    BURKINA FASO


    EBA

    BURUNDI


    EBA

    CAMBODIA


    EBA

    CAMEROON


    ACP (Interim Central Africa-EU EPA- MAR), GSP

    CANADA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    CAPE VERDE


    GSP+

    CAYMAN ISLANDS


    OCT

    CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC


    EBA

    CEUTA


    CEUTA AND MELILLA

    CHAD


    EBA

    CHILE


    LATIN AMERICA

    CHINA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    CHRISTMAS ISLAND


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    COCOS (KEELING) ISLANDS


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    COLOMBIA


    FTA, GSP (until 31/12/2015)

    COMOROS


    EBA

    CONGO


    GSP

    COOK ISLANDS


    GSP

    COSTA RICA


    FTA, GSP+ (until 31/12/2015)

    COTE D'IVOIRE


    ACP (EU-ECOWAS EPA – MAR), GSP

    CUBA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO


    EBA

    DJIBOUTI


    EBA

    DOMINICA


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    DOMINICAN REPUBLIC


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    ECUADOR


    GSP+ (until 31/12/2014)

    EGYPT


    PAN EURO MED

    EL SALVADOR


    FTA, GSP+ (until 31/12/2015)

    EQUATORIAL GUINEA


    EBA

    ERITREA


    EBA

    ETHIOPIA


    EBA

    FALKLAND ISLANDS


    OCT

    FAROE ISLANDS


    PAN EURO MED

    FIJI


    ACP (Interim Pacific-EU EPA - MAR), GSP

    FRENCH POLYNESIA


    OCT

    FRENCH SOUTHERN AND ANTARCTIC LANDS


    OCT

    GABON


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    GAMBIA


    EBA

    GEORGIA


    GSP+ EASTERN PARTNERSHIP

    GHANA


    ACP (EU-ECOWAS EPA – MAR), GSP

    GIBRALTAR


    OCT

    GREENLAND


    OCT

    GRENADA


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    GUAM


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    GUATEMALA


    FTA, GSP+ (until 31/12/2015)

    GUINEA


    EBA

    GUINEA-BISSAU


    EBA

    GUYANA


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    HAITI


    EBA

    HEARD AND MC DONALD ISLANDS


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    HONDURAS


    FTA, GSP (until 31/12/2015)

    HONG KONG


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    ICELAND


    PAN EURO MED

    INDIA


    GSP

    INDONESIA


    GSP

    IRAN


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    IRAQ


    GSP

    ISRAEL


    PAN EURO MED

    JAMAICA


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    JAPAN


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    JORDAN


    PAN EURO MED

    KAZAKHSTAN


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    KENYA


    GSP

    KIRIBATI


    EBA

    KOREA, DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF (NORTH)


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    KOREA, REPUBLIC OF (SOUTH)


    FTA

    KOSOVO*


    ATM

    KUWAIT


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    KYRGYZSTAN


    GSP

    LAOS


    EBA

    LEBANON


    PAN EURO MED

    LESOTHO


    EBA

    LIBERIA


    EBA

    LIBYA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    LIECHTENSTEIN


    PAN EURO MED

    MACAU


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    MACEDONIA (THE FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF)


    PAN EURO MED

    MADAGASCAR


    ACP (Interim ESA-EU EPA), EBA

    MALAWI


    EBA

    MALAYSIA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    MALDIVES


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    MALI


    EBA

    MARSHALL ISLANDS (THE REPUBLIC OF)


    GSP

    MAURITANIA


    EBA

    MAURITIUS


    ACP (Interim ESA-EU EPA)






    MELILLA


    CEUTA AND MELILLA

    MEXICO


    LATIN AMERICA

    MICRONESIA (FEDERATED STATES OF)


    GSP

    MOLDOVA (THE REPUBLIC OF)


    PAN EURO MED

    MONGOLIA


    GSP+

    MONTENEGRO


    PAN EURO MED

    MONTSERRAT


    OCT

    MOROCCO


    PAN EURO MED

    MOZAMBIQUE


    EBA

    MYANMAR


    EBA

    NAMIBIA


    ACP (EU-SADC EPA – MAR), GSP (until 31/12/2015)

    NAURU


    GSP

    NEPAL


    EBA

    NETHERLANDS ANTILLES


    OCT

    NEW CALEDONIA


    OCT

    NEW ZEALAND


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    NICARAGUA


    FTA, GSP (until 31/12/2015)

    NIGER


    EBA

    NIGERIA


    GSP

    NIUE


    GSP

    NORFOLK ISLAND


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    NORWAY


    PAN EURO MED

    PALESTINE**


    PAN EURO MED

    OMAN


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    PAKISTAN


    GSP+

    PALAU


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    PANAMA


    FTA, GSP+ (until 31/12/2015)

    PAPUA NEW GUINEA


    ACP (Interim Pacific-EU EPA)

    PARAGUAY


    GSP+

    PERU


    FTA, GSP+ (until 31/12/2015)

    PHILIPPINES


    GSP

    PITCAIRN ISLANDS


    OCT

    QATAR


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    RUSSIAN FEDERATION


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    RWANDA


    EBA

    SAINT BARTHELEMY


    OCT

    SAINT HELENA (INCL ASCENSION ISLAND AND TRISTAN DE CUNHA)


    OCT

    SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    SAINT LUCIA


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    SAINT PIERRE AND MIQUELON


    OCT

    SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    SAMOA


    EBA (until 31/12/2016, thereafter GSP)

    SAN MARINO


    CUSTOMS UNIONS (San Marino)

    SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE


    EBA

    SAUDI ARABIA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    SENEGAL


    EBA

    SERBIA


    PAN EURO MED

    SEYCHELLES


    ACP (Interim ESA-EU EPA)

    SIERRA LEONE


    EBA

    SINGAPORE


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    SOLOMON ISLANDS


    EBA

    SOMALIA


    EBA

    SOUTH AFRICA


    SOUTH AFRICA

    SOUTH GEORGIA AND THE SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS


    OCT

    SOUTH SUDAN


    EBA

    SRI LANKA


    GSP

    SUDAN


    EBA

    SURINAME


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    SWAZILAND


    ACP (EU-SADC EPA - MAR), GSP

    SWITZERLAND


    PAN EURO MED

    SYRIA


    Cooperation agreement 1977, GSP

    TAIWAN


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    TAJIKISTAN


    GSP

    TANZANIA


    EBA

    THAILAND


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    TIMOR LESTE


    EBA

    TOGO


    EBA

    TOKELAU


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    TONGA


    GSP

    TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO


    ACP (CARIFORUM-EU EPA)

    TUNISIA


    PAN EURO MED

    TURKEY


    CUSTOMS UNION (Turkey), PAN EURO MED

    TURKMENISTAN


    GSP (until 31/12/2015)

    TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS


    OCT

    TUVALU


    EBA

    UGANDA


    EBA

    UKRAINE


    GSP, ATM (until 31/12/2015), EASTERN PARTNERSHIP

    UNITED ARAB EMIRATES


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    UNITED STATES


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    UNITED STATES MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    URUGUAY


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    UZBEKISTAN


    GSP

    VANUATU


    EBA

    VATICAN CITY STATE (HOLY SEE)


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    VENEZUELA


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    VIETNAM


    GSP

    VIRGIN ISLANDS (BRITISH)


    OCT

    VIRGIN ISLANDS (U.S.)


    No preferential arrangements applicable

    WALLIS AND FUTUNA ISLANDS


    OCT

    YEMEN


    EBA

    ZAMBIA


    EBA

    ZIMBABWE


    ACP (Interim ESA-EU EPA)

    With the exception of China the USA Canada and Oz its not going to be much of a trade deal for the UK. And they still don't have a trade deal with the US Canada or etc.

    And yes many of the countries on that list do have very uncertain futures.


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    #1839
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Everyone will still trade with Britain dont worry
    Coz everyone loves britian brendan


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    #1840
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Thanks for that list that took me half an hour to scroll through. Nobody says they will leave the EU and hit the ground running but they will do what every other non EU country does and make deals on their own terms. Britain will be fine. Everyone wants to trade with the UK.


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    #1841
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Lets hope so.

    How though? If they are not in the EU and they have no trade deals?

    Many countries are not in the EU and have negociated their own trade deals.
    A total of 1 mate every other country on the planet is in a trade block


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    #1842
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Britain is doomed outside the EU.

    How many other countries are outside the EU and how many of them are "doomed"?
    How many are not part of a trade block old chap


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    #1843
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Thanks for that list that took me half an hour to scroll through. Nobody says they will leave the EU and hit the ground running but they will do what every other non EU country does and make deals on their own terms. Britain will be fine. Everyone wants to trade with the UK.
    But the deal they get with their biggest and nearest trading partner will be much worse than the one they have with them


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    #1844
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Already have


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    #1845
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Everyone wants to trade with the UK.
    Everyone also wants to trade with the EU.

    Has the US given them a deal yet?

    What will the terms of these deals be?


    Who will govern them to make sure the other country fulfills their commitments? What will stop the other country threatening to pull out of said deal if the uk presses them on said commitments?

    The Uk will no longer be able to play on the worldstage.

    Their recently established trade deal with china would be gone if the UK pressed china about hong kong.

    How would the UK be if every trade deal had the same effect? How could it protect its interests ....it can't.


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    #1846
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    declanflynn wrote: »
    But the deal they get with their biggest and nearest trading partner will be much worse than the one they have with them

    Would that be the oh so lovely EU?


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    #1847
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    declanflynn wrote: »
    But the deal they get with their biggest and nearest trading partner will be much worse than the one they have with them

    Would that be the oh so lovely EU?
    Yep but ur leaving and gonna do a deal with the lovely trump,
    No deal brexit is going to be funny, but the UK's trade deal with the USA is going to be hilarious


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    #1848
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Would that be the oh so lovely EU?
    Unless you accept the backstop you won't get any deal.

    And the extremists in the Tory party seem intent on not having a backstop.


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    #1849
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭storker


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Yes indeed, uncertainty is one of the things Borris wants to end. He will leave at the end of October, deal or no deal to end the uncertainty

    Absolutely. The current uncertainty about whether the UK is fcuked is very unhealthy. Boris will fix at the end of October this by leaving everyone in no doubt that the UK is well and truly fcuked.


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    #1850
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Everyone will still trade with Britain dont worry

    The gravity and ramifications of the situation is really not sinking in, are they? At least you're not alone in your groupthink. The UK does not have the power it once had and that it is the imperialistic mindset holding them back.


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    #1851
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Everyone will still trade with Britain dont worry

    You seem to have missed all the humiliations of Britain in this regard over the past three years, not to mention the pfo last week from the Speaker of the US House of Representatives, which decides trade deals, to Donald Trump when he promised the British that he'd be gentle when he plundered them via a trade deal.

    Theresa May’s India trip reveals much about who will matter in post-Brexit Britain

    Your entire posting style here seems to be to make claims you can't substantiate, and that's a kind way of putting your posting style in this thread. There are many people here who'd actually like to find even one poster who could put forward rational, fact-based posts supporting this "Brexit will be great for England" argument.


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    #1852
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Re Operation Yellowhammer
    No 10 did not comment on the leaked document but, appearing on Sky’s Sophy Ridge on Sunday, Kwasi Kwarteng, a minister at the Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, said that there was “a lot of scaremongering around and a lot of people are playing into Project Fear and all the rest of it”.

    So there we are a junior minister says his governments own estimations for a worst case scenario is more project fear, presumably he said much the same about the BoE and that economic outlook paper also from the government is all scare/fake news.

    (as an aside that the BBC and ITV have put almost all their current affairs programmes on ice for the silly season is a real failure of public service broadcasting)


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    #1853
    Harika
    Registered Users Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Harika


    The US trade deal is like the Red bull Renault engine situation some years ago. Mercedes and Ferrari told them as long they have a contract with Renault no negotiation. So Red bull terminated their contract. Then Ferrari and Mercedes excused themselves for not being able to provide engines to them, except a year old one, that would not be good to them as not possible to fight for the championship. So had to crawl back to Renault and pay money for the engine instead of a sponsored deal.
    Renault got out of the sponsorship deal, Mercedes and Ferrari
    Eliminated their biggest next contender by removing a big chunk of their budget and ruining their relationship with their long standing partner. Everyone was winning except Red bull.


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    #1854
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Look I will admit some remainers are ridiculously stubborn.

    But the Tory party getting itself into a position whereby the DUP pulls its strings shows its not exactly bright. It COULD have a trade deal with the EU but it won't because of some barmy ideology that NI must be treated EXACTLY the same as the rest of the UK in the most minutae of detail, despite the fact that without the border it would still actually be a part of the uk and NOTHING would change.

    The fact that it could be SO EASILY rectified without the UK really having to give anything in reality and yet the UK will not agree really shows you they have lost the plot.

    If that is the severity of the extremism in the Tory party the UK has no future.

    I remind you the UK could very easily have a trade with the UK.


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    #1855
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Did Boris sanction the leak? I sense a change in tune coming as the reality of what is facing his legacy becomes clear.


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    #1856
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Did Boris sanction the leak? I sense a change in tune coming as the reality of what is facing his legacy becomes clear.
    I fear de paffell will do a deal b4 Oct 31 and all the leave campaign untruths will never be exposed, there is still a chance that the arlene has the wheel of a bus on her head, but I'm still hoping for a full on no deal


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    #1857
    Harika
    Registered Users Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Harika


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Did Boris sanction the leak? I sense a change in tune coming as the reality of what is facing his legacy becomes clear.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelgove/status/1163042724972511232


    While the paper itself states it is not worst case lol


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    #1858
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Id rather there was a deal. No deal would be good for the giggles. Either way the UK would be grand

    Yeah, in some depersonalised or sociopathic online persona it possibly is. In reality, there are many companies and people who have much to lose from such a scenario, and that reality of unpaid debts, yet more small businesses closing and yet more families losing their income is not something most people who work for a living 'giggle' at.

    And at the end of all this populist English tactic - which, lest we forget, was an opportunistic ruse to deflect blame for economic inequality and alienation from rich British people, who benefited from all the cheaper foreign labour and lower wealth taxes, on to the EU/foreigners - the British will, like every other economy on the planet, revert to doing most of their trade with the economies nearest them. Duh.

    Brexit is the most ill-dignified (and belated) coming to terms with the end of centuries of "world power" status that any society could contrive. But it has turned into something much more important that Britain's power in the world. It has, remarkably, turned into something which looks like it's going to break up the UK, which is a suitable karma given that British nationalists have been using the EU as the scapegoats for domestic problems for the past 40 years. The outdated fundamentals of the UK, itself a creation of English imperial expansion, are not solid in 2019 and Brexit is exposing it. Britain will not be the first European power in the past 100 years which has been domestically upended because of its foreign policy decisions.


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    #1859
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yeah, in some depersonalised or sociopathic online persona it possibly is. In reality, there are many companies and people who have much to lose from such a scenario, and that reality of unpaid debts, yet more small businesses closing and yet more families losing their income is not something most people who work for a living 'giggle' at.

    And at the end of all this populist English tactic - which, lest we forget, was an opportunistic ruse to deflect blame for economic inequality and alienation from rich British people, who benefited from all the cheaper foreign labour and lower wealth taxes, on to the EU/foreigners - the British will, like every other economy on the planet, revert to doing most of their trade with the economies nearest them. Duh.

    Brexit is the most ill-dignified (and belated) coming to terms with the end of centuries of "world power" status that any society could contrive. But it has turned into something much more important that Britain's power in the world. It has, remarkably, turned into something which looks like it's going to break up the UK, which is a suitable karma given that British nationalists have been using the EU as the scapegoats for domestic problems for the past 40 years. The outdated fundamentals of the UK, itself a creation of English imperial expansion, are not solid in 2019 and Brexit is exposing it. Britain will not be the first European power in the past 100 years which has been domestically upended because of its foreign policy decisions.

    Opinion does not equal fact


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    #1860
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Brexit is the most ill-dignified (and belated) coming to terms with the end of centuries of "world power" status that any society could contrive.

    This quote needs to be circulated.


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    #1861
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yeah, in some depersonalised or sociopathic online persona it possibly is. In reality, there are many companies and people who have much to lose from such a scenario, and that reality of unpaid debts, yet more small businesses closing and yet more families losing their income is not something most people who work for a living 'giggle' at.

    And at the end of all this populist English tactic - which, lest we forget, was an opportunistic ruse to deflect blame for economic inequality and alienation from rich British people, who benefited from all the cheaper foreign labour and lower wealth taxes, on to the EU/foreigners - the British will, like every other economy on the planet, revert to doing most of their trade with the economies nearest them. Duh.

    Brexit is the most ill-dignified (and belated) coming to terms with the end of centuries of "world power" status that any society could contrive. But it has turned into something much more important that Britain's power in the world. It has, remarkably, turned into something which looks like it's going to break up the UK, which is a suitable karma given that British nationalists have been using the EU as the scapegoats for domestic problems for the past 40 years. The outdated fundamentals of the UK, itself a creation of English imperial expansion, are not solid in 2019 and Brexit is exposing it. Britain will not be the first European power in the past 100 years which has been domestically upended because of its foreign policy decisions.

    Opinion does not equal fact
    It's very close in this case


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