Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

tigger123

A general election will (probably) end the Parliamentary stalemate.

Unless of course the Tory party lose even more seats.

Peregrinus

tigger123 wrote: »

A general election will (probably) end the Parliamentary stalemate.

Unless of course the Tory party lose even more seats.

Which is highly possible.

Stop moaning ffs

Peregrinus wrote: »

Which is highly possible.

Part of Their plans it seems

https://twitter.com/williamsjon/status/1166664534460895232?s=21

RobMc59

tigger123 wrote: »

A general election will (probably) end the Parliamentary stalemate.

Unless of course the Tory party lose even more seats.

Weasel Johnson trying to drag the Queen into his grubby plans which hopefully will open people's eyes to his true agenda which certainly isn't democratic or what the public was led to believe would happen.

Danzy

RobMc59 wrote: »

Weasel Johnson trying to drag the Queen into his grubby plans which hopefully will open people's eyes to his true agenda which certainly isn't democratic or what the public was led to believe would happen.

Betty Windsor has to be formally asked.

She has no say or influence on it.

Danzy

tigger123 wrote: »

A general election will (probably) end the Parliamentary stalemate.

Unless of course the Tory party lose even more seats.

It was a great pity that May did not win an outright majority, her deal would have been carried.

NIMAN

Danzy wrote: »

Betty Windsor has to be formally asked.

She has no say or influence on it.

So she can't say no to Boris?

El_Duderino 09

Danzy wrote: »

Betty Windsor has to be formally asked.

She has no say or influence on it.

Yeah it's just a procedure. As you point out, she has no say.

Danzy

NIMAN wrote: »

So she can't say no to Boris?

In theory she could but it would overturn centuries of precedents, not to mind what they fought a civil war over.

It would be a constitutional crisis that would likely end with her abdication.

The Govt asking for a session to end, especially after the longest session in a lifetime, is not going to warrant that, it's cynical timing aside.

gmisk

NIMAN wrote: »

So she can't say no to Boris?

He has that effect on a lot of women seemingly....


It says a lot for him when no one is really sure if he has 5 or 6 kids.

johnmcdnl

NIMAN wrote: »

So she can't say no to Boris?

In the past 400 years since the English Civil war lots of games of politics have been played. And the monarchy if it wants to remain a thing would be best advised not to rock the boat. If she interferes and breaks centuries of precedents for Brexit, why not for the next issue that occurs 10-20 years from now.

Maybe she'd survive the fallout, but she'll have set a precedent that will be played on for for the centuries to come, long after me and you are around.

How many wars has the monarchy not intervened in, countries seceding from the empire etc etc - all which the monarchy haven't intervened in.

But she should over Brexit?

tigger123

Danzy wrote: »

It was a great pity that May did not win an outright majority, her deal would have been carried.

For sure. They'll live to regret it.

InTheShadows

Boris in fairness to him has played a blinder thus far.

InTheShadows

gmisk wrote: »

He has that effect on a lot of women seemingly....


It says a lot for him when no one is really sure if he has 5 or 6 kids.

Uncalled for getting personal. This is about politics not his family. Says a lot about you that you'd bring that into it.

FrancieBrady

InTheShadows wrote: »

Boris in fairness to him has played a blinder thus far.

Massive risk by Johnson: He could irreparably harm the monarchy and bust open the UK even more than it is busted open already.

It would be popcorn time if there wasn't the real prospect of people getting hurt.

MrMusician18

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Massive risk by Johnson: He could irreparably harm the monarchy and bust open the UK even more than it is busted open already.

It would be popcorn time if there wasn't the real prospect of people getting hurt.

I've had the popcorn out so long that I'm sick of it.

Bringing the Monarchy into this definition comes at an interesting time for them. This skills with prince Andrews problems could severely damage them.

declanflynn

Aegir wrote: »

declanflynn wrote: »

U don't understand the concept of 'wheel turning'

I apprecate English may not be your first language, so let me help you

you
pronoun

1. used to refer to the person or people that the speaker is addressing.
"are you listening?"
2.used to refer to the person being addressed together with other people regarded in the same class.
"you Americans"

U, u

noun, plural U's or Us, u's or us.

• the 21st letter of the English alphabet, a vowel.
• any spoken sound represented by the letter U or u, as in music, rule, curious, put, or jug.
• something having the shape of a U.
• a written or printed representation of the letter U or u.
• a device, as a printer's type, for reproducing the letter U or u.

England didn't invent the wheel old chap

FrancieBrady

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I've had the popcorn out so long that I'm sick of it.

Bringing the Monarchy into this definition comes at an interesting time for them. This skills with prince Andrews problems could severely damage them.

In one way they are lucky the Queen is still with us, as she has enough miles in the tank as a 'lovable servant' to maybe emerge unscathed. But it is a huge risk imo. I think a lot of British people might re-evaluate the monarchy as a concept, as a result as it gives the lie to it being just a 'tourist' thing.

gmisk

InTheShadows wrote: »

Uncalled for getting personal. This is about politics not his family. Says a lot about you that you'd bring that into it.

Chill out...it was a joke....this is under "Social & Fun" so lighten up...your response says a lot about you...



He is no doozer to be honest, perfect example is him and his "favourite hobby" which sounded totally made up (making model buses...) now when you google Boris and Bus the first things that come up are not to do with the 350m for the NHS on the side of a bus stories.

The media in general seem to be giving him an easy ride...or in fairness he cuts them out of press.

What meaningful alternative has he offered to the backstop?

MonsterCookie

What are the chances of Sinn Fein showing up in the commons next week to join MPs efforts to work against Boris? Can those that were elected just turn up?

cherryghost

Suspension has been approved

FrancieBrady

MonsterCookie wrote: »

What are the chances of Sinn Fein showing up in the commons next week to join MPs efforts to work against Boris? Can those that were elected just turn up?

I'd say there is more chance of Prince Philip cartwheeling across Wimbledon Common in the nip.




*Oh wait!

MonsterCookie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd say there is more chance of Prince Philip cartwheeling across Wimbledon Common in the nip.




*Oh wait!

LOL...not sure which would be funnier...

looks like they've firmly ruled it out...

Macy0161

MonsterCookie wrote: »

LOL...not sure which would be funnier...

Not prepared to put the national interest first - in this case the island of Ireland.

NIMAN

MonsterCookie wrote: »

What are the chances of Sinn Fein showing up in the commons next week to join MPs efforts to work against Boris? Can those that were elected just turn up?

They can .... but they won't.

tigger123

Newsnight is gonna be another classic episode tonight.

FrancieBrady

MonsterCookie wrote: »

LOL...not sure which would be funnier...

looks like they've firmly ruled it out...

After decades of running on an abstentionist ticket, which has at it's core not interfering in the running of other countries...it isn't going to happen. It would achieve only instant gratification in the scheme of things anyhow. The UK is breaking up and can only save itself.

johnmcdnl

MonsterCookie wrote: »

What are the chances of Sinn Fein showing up in the commons next week to join MPs efforts to work against Boris? Can those that were elected just turn up?

They can just show up, but they'd need to swear their oaths of allegiance first.

They won't though and I wouldn't blame them. What'll they achieve by doing so? The opposition don't even have a position they agree on either. So they'd be giving up their core political stance, out of spite of Boris Johnson, just to let Jeremy Corbyn perhaps take the reigns. So until Jeremy Corbyn agrees to a border poll you won't be seeing SF in London.

It's to help the people of NI you say. Again if the opposition had a unified and clear stance you could argue that but they don't.

They've voted down every version of the agreement and during that comical session where they voted no to every alternative as well so there isn't something to even consider, asides from sticking it to Johnson

MonsterCookie

Macy0161 wrote: »

Not prepared to put the national interest first - in this case the island of Ireland.

I tend to agree - long standing principles getting in the way of immediate needs. But you could say the same about the DUP i.e. the Union is all important regardless of short-medium term economic realities!

FrancieBrady

MonsterCookie wrote: »

I tend to agree - long standing principles getting in the way of immediate needs. But you could say the same about the DUP i.e. the Union is all important regardless of short-medium term economic realities!

Ok...run through the scenario you see if SF went and voted.