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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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    #2402
    ohnonotgmail
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ok...run through the scenario you see if SF went and voted.

    Johnson has a working majority of 1. There are 7 sinn fein MPs. It would make the maths on a vote of no confidence a whole lot easier.


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    #2403
    Danzy
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    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    What are the chances of Sinn Fein showing up in the commons next week to join MPs efforts to work against Boris? Can those that were elected just turn up?

    If that were to happen it would a lot of Mps to back Boris, even from those who stridently oppose him.

    It would add a large no. of seats to his tally in the next election as well.


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    #2404
    FrancieBrady
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Johnson has a working majority of 1. There are 7 sinn fein MPs. It would make the maths on a vote of no confidence a whole lot easier.

    Ànd then what?

    The answer to which is why it would be a pointless excercise.


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    #2405
    MonsterCookie
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ok...run through the scenario you see if SF went and voted.

    I don’t see them going to the commons but if they did, the most likely scenario imo is a no confidence vote (which SF could support) - this might put some pressure on to abandon the prorogation but I wouldn’t hold my breath.


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    #2406
    ohnonotgmail
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ànd then what?

    The answer to which is why it would be a pointless excercise.

    then they have an election.


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    #2407
    Danzy
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    Macy0161 wrote: »
    Not prepared to put the national interest first - in this case the island of Ireland.

    The reaction to Irish MPs risking swinging the vote in the Commons on such an important issue would not be tolerated.

    Abstention or vote for Boris with nose held would be the response.

    It would guarantee him his majority.


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    #2408
    Portsalon
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ànd then what?

    The answer to which is why it would be a pointless excercise.


    But what better for pointless absentee MPs to do than participate in a pointless exercise?

    Furthermore, it might make them feel useful, which must be better than wandering around in a daze, like eunuchs at a gangbang.


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    #2409
    ohnonotgmail
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    Danzy wrote: »
    The reaction to Irish MPs risking swinging the vote in the Commons on such an important issue would not be tolerated.

    Abstention or vote for Boris with nose held would be the response.

    It would guarantee him his majority.

    How so? Even if all the conservative MPs voted for him (and they wouldn't) he would be depending on MPs from the other side of the house voting for him. At the moment you have Irish MPs swinging the vote in the commons. what makes you think another group of Irish MPs turning up would cause such a commotion that MPs would abandon reality and decide that backing Boris is the best course of action?


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    #2410
    Assetbacked
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    Anti-democratic to hold another referendum apparently, yet they try to implement a procedure to prevent the democratically elected politicians from delivering the democratic result of the people. Ludicrous and Brexiteers are pathetic.

    It seems to me even less likely that Brexit will even happen at this stage as it shows how selfish, thoughtless and ignorant those leading it actually are, ensuring even less support for a Hard Brexit. If a Hard Brexit can be stopped, it will. Therefore, Boris Johnson fails to deliver Brexit and an election or referendum needs to be held.


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    #2411
    FrancieBrady
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    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    I don’t see them going to the commons but if they did, the most likely scenario imo is a no confidence vote (which SF could support) - this might put some pressure on to abandon the prorogation but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    then they have an election.

    If there isn't a natural 'no confidence' vote to this move already, then the UK is truly sunk...and nothing SF do is going to change that. In fact SF getting involved would exacerbate the problems.
    What Ireland and it's political parties need to do now, is stand back and watch.


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    #2412
    FrancieBrady
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    Portsalon wrote: »
    But what better for pointless absentee MPs to do than participate in a pointless exercise?

    Furthermore, it might make them feel useful, which must be better than wandering around in a daze, like eunuchs at a gangbang.

    Because the 'principle' of abstentionism is not to 'interfere' in the running of other countries.


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    #2413
    Danzy
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If there isn't a natural 'no confidence' vote to this move already, then the UK is truly sunk...and nothing SF do is going to change that. In fact SF getting involved would exacerbate the problems.
    What Ireland and it's political parties need to do now, is stand back and watch.

    Johnson is going all out to make sure there is a no confidence vote and to make sure he loses it.

    Agree, this is a problem for Britain to resolve, even Sdlp Mps would be counter productive here.

    Even more than that it is an English issue to sort out.

    It's their show and they aren't pretending about that now when it comes to this.


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    #2414
    ohnonotgmail
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If there isn't a natural 'no confidence' vote to this move already, then the UK is truly sunk...and nothing SF do is going to change that. In fact SF getting involved would exacerbate the problems.
    What Ireland and it's political parties need to do now, is stand back and watch.

    The UK is ****ed. a no confidence vote is no good to the opposition. No deal brexit happens automatically on October 31st. not enough time to have an election. their only hope is that they get the UK supreme court to agree that the advice to the queen on prorogation was incorrect.


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    #2415
    Stop moaning ffs
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    No party or MP would ever even consider voting with SF if they did turn up.

    They won’t. Turn up so it’s moot


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    #2416
    FrancieBrady
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    The UK is ****ed. a no confidence vote is no good to the opposition. No deal brexit happens automatically on October 31st. not enough time to have an election. their only hope is that they get the UK supreme court to agree that the advice to the queen on prorogation was incorrect.

    We are heading into a UK constitutional crisis and **** show. I have long ago stopped predicting how bad this is going to get.
    SF would do well to stay well clear of it. There are going to be a lot of fingers of blame pointing.


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    #2417
    Danzy
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    We are heading into a UK constitutional crisis and **** show. I have long ago stopped predicting how bad this is going to get.
    SF would do well to stay well clear of it. There are going to be a lot of fingers of blame pointing.

    There is a lot of bitterness in England towards the SNP for their take in it all.

    A resentment at what is seen as interference.


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    #2418
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    On that

    https://twitter.com/irishtimes/status/1166731702242295810?s=21


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    #2419
    ohnonotgmail
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    Danzy wrote: »
    There is a lot of bitterness in England towards the SNP for their take in it all.

    A resentment at what is seen as interference.

    how can it possibly be seen as interference when it affects them as well?


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    #2420
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    All the brexiters have been confirmed as having severe cases of mad coup disease


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    #2421
    FrancieBrady
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    Danzy wrote: »
    There is a lot of bitterness in England towards the SNP for their take in it all.

    A resentment at what is seen as interference.

    There seems to be a queue forming here to point fingers of blame too.

    I think the cohesiveness of the entire governments stance here has to be preserved. And that cohesiveness is possible in no small measure because SF have been more than happy (their own motives there, no doubt) to allow FG to take the lead.


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    #2422
    gmisk
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    Danzy wrote: »
    There is a lot of bitterness in England towards the SNP for their take in it all.

    A resentment at what is seen as interference.
    Replace SNP with Ireland and it works to...


    Priti Patels comments were pretty telling IMO.



    The perfect analogy for this is someone has a toilet that backs up and explodes...they call a plumber to fix it....then expect the plumber to pay them for the privilege of cleaning up their sh#t.


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    #2423
    Stop moaning ffs
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    There seems to be a queue forming here to point fingers of blame too.

    I think the cohesiveness of the entire governments stance here has to be preserved. And that cohesiveness is possible in no small measure because SF have been more than happy (their own motives there, no doubt) to allow FG to take the lead.


    Dunno. FF have had a few break Ranks against the govt stance. Including FFs brexit spokeswoman


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    #2424
    Danzy
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    how can it possibly be seen as interference when it affects them as well?

    It does but they are expected to know their place, shut up and stay in the back seat of the car.


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    #2425
    FrancieBrady
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Dunno. FF have had a few break Ranks against the govt stance. Including FFs brexit spokeswoman

    Yeh, but firmly slapped back into line. Underlining how united the Irish executive is and more importantly...wants to be.


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    #2426
    ohnonotgmail
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    Danzy wrote: »
    It does but they are expected to know their place, shut up and stay in the back seat of the car.

    The only reasonable response to that from the SNP is a snappy **** Off.


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    #2427
    blanch152
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    There seems to be a queue forming here to point fingers of blame too.

    I think the cohesiveness of the entire governments stance here has to be preserved. And that cohesiveness is possible in no small measure because SF have been more than happy (their own motives there, no doubt) to allow FG to take the lead.

    SF are just happy to sit on their hands from the sidelines as always.


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    #2428
    Danzy
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    The only reasonable response to that from the SNP is a snappy **** Off.

    It is, their delighted though. Really pulls the legs out from the "we're all Britain, all have a say." stuff and in a very public way.


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    #2429
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Is it true that if you stand in front of your bathroom mirror and say Sinn Fein three times, blanch will appear beside you to make some snarky comment about them? Or is that a boards myth


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    #2430
    Danzy
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Is it true that if you stand in front of your bathroom mirror and say Sinn Fein three times, blanch will appear beside you to make some snarky comment about them? Or is that a boards myth

    If he can get out of the Sunday Indo office in time.

    He is a bit obsessed alright.

    There is an old fashion thread here in which he worked them in a couple of times as well.


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    #2431
    FrancieBrady
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    SF are just happy to sit on their hands from the sidelines as always.

    Well, they were happy to sit on the 'sideline' after schooling FG on 'special status' for NI.

    To me that was a sizeable political masterstroke, nationalists and a fair share of Unionists business people and farmers are now looking to Dublin as their voice of support. While the DUP can only resort to bitter insults and repudiation.


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