Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

simongurnick

fat zombie wrote: »

When the Irish banks went tits up , who gave us money straight away?

You seriously going to argue that being part of the uk would be better than being in the eu? I'm all ears. And even on the bank bailout...are you saying the eu gave nothing?

fat zombie

simongurnick wrote: »

You seriously going to argue that being part of the uk would be better than being in the eu? I'm all ears. And even on the bank bailout...are you saying the eu gave nothing?

There you go , posting a lie, i NEVER said we would be better as part of UK.
Im STATING that money talks , and at end of day the EU will screw Ireland, a 5 million market , to get a better deal with the UK , a 66 million market

EU fans have blind allegiance, dont want to see the facts presented to them.

sabat

fat zombie wrote: »

I almost feel sorry for you , almost!!
Typical lefty world view, power to the people and all that.
Just you wait brother, money talks and the EU will throw Ireland under the bus.
Does anyone here really believe that the irish market of 5 million will get the support of the EU ?
Do you believe the EU will exclude the UK market of 66 million?
All wind and piss from the EU at the moment, watch them screw Ireland now that it really looks like the UK is going without a deal.

Boris is more likely to meet a tragic accident than for no deal to happen. Do you really think the powers-that-be will allow the losses of Scotland, NI and Gibraltar from the UK? All 3 could be independent and in the EU this time next year if the tories continue on this path. And this is before even considering the possibility of millions of hungry, sick and angry people looking for scapegoats.
At 10pm on 31/10 Boris will be summoned to some wood-panelled room in Whitehall where various grandees from industry, intelligence, the military, nobility etc will instruct him to humbly announce revocation of a50 and his resignation. (or some version of this scenario.)

simongurnick

fat zombie wrote: »

There you go , posting a lie, i NEVER said we would be better as part of UK.
Im STATING that money talks , and at end of day the EU will screw Ireland, a 5 million market , to get a better deal with the UK , a 66 million market

EU fans have blind allegiance, dont want to see the facts presented to them.

You said who provided money when the banks went belly up as if britain was our saviour. Ever hear of the imf?

Junkyard Tom

fat zombie wrote: »

and at end of day the EU will screw Ireland

You seem to be suffering from 'Anglosphere Stockholm Syndrome' which is characterised by the inability to understand that Ireland is the EU and that Ireland has a veto on a trade deal with the UK.

Thoughts and prayers are with you.

fat zombie

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You seem to be suffering from 'Anglosphere Stockholm Syndrome' which is characterised by the inability to understand that Ireland is the EU and that Ireland has a veto on a trade deal with the UK.

Thoughts and prayers are with you.

Off top of head, believe Irish Veto ends in 2021.
Ostrich syndrome in full effect with the EU blind faithful.
Ireland will meet the wheels of the bus long before that

Tokyo

Mod: Christ. Stop with the sniping. Next time will result in cards being handed out.

fat zombie

sabat wrote: »

Boris is more likely to meet a tragic accident than for no deal to happen. Do you really think the powers-that-be will allow the losses of Scotland, NI and Gibraltar from the UK? All 3 could be independent and in the EU this time next year if the tories continue on this path. And this is before even considering the possibility of millions of hungry, sick and angry people looking for scapegoats.
At 10pm on 31/10 Boris will be summoned to some wood-panelled room in Whitehall where various grandees from industry, intelligence, the military, nobility etc will instruct him to humbly announce revocation of a50 and his resignation. (or some version of this scenario.)

The proroguing of the government was giving the go ahead by The Queen, ergo the establishment is in favour of a no deal Brexit.
At 10pm on 31/10 the EU will bend the knee, and screw Ireland, 5 million micks versus the 66 million UK market??
we are screwed!!!
Money talks!!

Franz Von Peppercorn II

fat zombie wrote: »

The proroguing of the government was giving the go ahead by The Queen, ergo the establishment is in favour of a no deal Brexit.
At 10pm on 31/10 the EU will bend the knee, and screw Ireland, 5 million micks versus the 66 million UK market??
we are screwed!!!
Money talks!!

The Queen is not the establishment.

The only offer on the table at 10pm on 31/10 will be the deal May brought to parliament which was rejected. The EU wants the U.K. out. Macron has already days he will veto any extension so that’s that.

If the EU gives ground the entire alliance could break down.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

If the U.K. leaves without a deal, as it will, the EU needs to do two things.

1) massively increase tarrifs on the U.K. as a punitive measure for not paying its dues and to bring it to its knees. In particular a 1000% tarrif on services is warranted.
2) block all immigration from the U.K. the starving population will try to leave in their millions. The exception would be financial, IT and other skilled workers coming to Ireland and Germany and entrepreneurs fleeing with their capital.
3) when the U.K. comes crawling back impose extremely harsh settlement terms - take over North Sea oil, impose the euro, end London as a financial hub and extract much higher dues for two generations.

fat zombie

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

The Queen is not the establishment.

The only offer on the table at 10pm on 31/10 will be the deal May brought to parliament which was rejected. The EU wants the U.K. out. Macron has already days he will veto any extension so that’s that.

If the EU gives ground the entire alliance could break down.

The Queen is the establishment, remember Burell the butler in court? One phone call from The Queen the case was dropped.
The EU wants the May deal, they aint going to get it now, they will screw Ireland to make a deal with the UK.
The EU will print more money to keep the alliance on the road, bribes to the eastern members, but the die is cast, the EU is toast.

sabat

fat zombie wrote: »

The proroguing of the government was giving the go ahead by The Queen, ergo the establishment is in favour of a no deal Brexit.
At 10pm on 31/10 the EU will bend the knee, and screw Ireland, 5 million micks versus the 66 million UK market??
we are screwed!!!
Money talks!!

If the EU sells out a smaller state Putin will see it as a green light to test the resolve of the Baltic countries and Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria. This goes far deeper than just selling goods.

fat zombie

sabat wrote: »

If the EU sells out a smaller state Putin will see it as a green light to test the resolve of the Baltic countries and Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria. This goes far deeper than just selling goods.

Stop watching CNN!
The Baltic countries along with Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria are economic basket cases, why the hell would Putin want to take on the financial responsibility of these countries?
He is just about keeping the Russian economy going despite western sanctions, the Russian have zero interest in a expensive European welfare pact, they are looking to link up with China.

Limpy

sabat wrote: »

If the EU sells out a smaller state Putin will see it as a green light to test the resolve of the Baltic countries and Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria. This goes far deeper than just selling goods.

Putin always gets called into the topic when the liberals are angry.

jimmycrackcorm

Brexiteer wrote: »

the EU army is a dangerous fantasy

Apart from the history of the British army in Ireland, do you not think that the British armys involvement in Iraq has been a greater threat than the idea of an EU army that will never be as invasive.

Kermit.de.frog

fat zombie wrote: »

Stop watching CNN!
The Baltic countries along with Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria are economic basket cases, why the hell would Putin want to take on the financial responsibility of these countries?

Because they have Russian minority populations. Same reason for Crimea.

Also Russia is a social and economic basket case. Italy is more important.

A pretend power and a thug nation - that is Russia.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

sabat wrote: »

If the EU sells out a smaller state Putin will see it as a green light to test the resolve of the Baltic countries and Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria. This goes far deeper than just selling goods.

Utter nonsense. They are in NATO
anyway.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Because they have Russian minority populations. Same reason for Crimea.

Also Russia is a social and economic basket case. Italy is more important.

A pretend power and a thug nation - that is Russia.

Russia is both extremely dangerous and a pretend power at the same time.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

fat zombie wrote: »

The Queen is the establishment, remember Burell the butler in court? One phone call from The Queen the case was dropped.
The EU wants the May deal, they aint going to get it now, they will screw Ireland to make a deal with the UK.
The EU will print more money to keep the alliance on the road, bribes to the eastern members, but the die is cast, the EU is toast.

The EU wants a no deal at this stage, pour encourager les autres.

declanflynn

fat zombie wrote: »

The EU is losing the second largest economy equal to the 19 smallest EU economies combined, and the second largest net contributor.

Worse, without GB in the EU Germany loses its 35% voting block any time France opts to vote with Club Med.

So the new EU is a 9 country bloc ruled by France and the Med.

The USA /UK free trade area will be 50% bigger than the EU.

Wait until the rest of the Anglosphere joins in, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and who knows, maybe a few old Commonwealth friends.

The EU is yesterday, the Anglosphere the future.

Ireland to go begging to be readmitted to commonwealth within 2 years.
Screen cap and come back in December to see i am right

We are begging ye to leave mate

declanflynn

fat zombie wrote: »

Leo the worm has his eye on a top EU job, the first openly gay leader of a EU country is a shoe in come next election cycle, a true EU loyalist.
He cares not a jot about Ireland , just a stepping stone to a top EU job.
If he truly cared about Ireland he should have been the neutral middle man between the UK and the EU, you don't have to like it but Ireland is a small, insignificant country , the best we can do is be friends with the big powers and get along.
He could have been the voice of reason as the Uk and the EU hammer out a deal.
Leo has now nailed his colours to the EU mast, and made a enemy of the UK, we as a nation better hope that the EU does not cut us loose once Brexit happens, if they do we are screwed, and as we all know money talks, Ireland is screwed!

Everyone in Ireland supports the government's stance on brexit, Leo will be the next president of Ireland if he wants when he steps down

declanflynn

fat zombie wrote: »

I hope you delusional EU believers have taken precautions for a hard Brexit, because its coming, followed by a EU capitulation on UK trade demands.
UK with the same tax rates as us, easier access to the European main land, Ireland will see a mass exodus of the multinationals.
The Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Intel, Sales Force, and so on economic drivers of modern ireland will leave, We are going back to the 70's.
The EU has already shown its hand, wants to import Brazilian Beef, that screws the Irish farmers.
If you are not prepared it will be a rough period for you.

It will solve the housing crisis , thats one good thing.

Easier access to the EU?

declanflynn

fat zombie wrote: »

sabat wrote: »

Boris is more likely to meet a tragic accident than for no deal to happen. Do you really think the powers-that-be will allow the losses of Scotland, NI and Gibraltar from the UK? All 3 could be independent and in the EU this time next year if the tories continue on this path. And this is before even considering the possibility of millions of hungry, sick and angry people looking for scapegoats.
At 10pm on 31/10 Boris will be summoned to some wood-panelled room in Whitehall where various grandees from industry, intelligence, the military, nobility etc will instruct him to humbly announce revocation of a50 and his resignation. (or some version of this scenario.)

The proroguing of the government was giving the go ahead by The Queen, ergo the establishment is in favour of a no deal Brexit.
At 10pm on 31/10 the EU will bend the knee, and screw Ireland, 5 million micks versus the 66 million UK market??
we are screwed!!!
Money talks!!

No the depaffell and the uk will leave the EU because absolutely no one wants ye old chap

declanflynn

sabat wrote: »

fat zombie wrote: »

The proroguing of the government was giving the go ahead by The Queen, ergo the establishment is in favour of a no deal Brexit.
At 10pm on 31/10 the EU will bend the knee, and screw Ireland, 5 million micks versus the 66 million UK market??
we are screwed!!!
Money talks!!

If the EU sells out a smaller state Putin will see it as a green light to test the resolve of the Baltic countries and Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria. This goes far deeper than just selling goods.

He mite even test the resolve of the uk, it could be the European version of vietnam

RobMc59

Deleted User wrote: »

Aegir wrote: »

should that sentence not end "By Jingo"?

You think you still have a right to fúck the Irish over without repercussions? To hold this entire state to ransom by virtue of your rule in part of this country, a rule created by your British state overthrowing the democratically expressed wishes of the majority of the population of Ireland in 1920? Lest we forget that English nationalist love of "democracy" in Ireland.

You don't. Those days of pushing the Irish about are over, and the sooner you all accept it, the sooner both our nations can live in peace. This is the latest instalment of your country's long, ignominious history of being absolute cúnts to the natives.

Now, however, for the first time the natives are part of a much, much bigger power bloc. Shoe. Other foot.

Just as the Germans were forced to come to terms with their fascism after WWII defeat Brexit will force you all to come to terms, for the first time in your history, with your imperialism.

As with Germans after 1945, that catharsis should permanently clip the wings of your poppy-pushing, war-glorifying, British Empire-defending soulmates.

Your constant"just you wait,you've got it coming to you".becomes tiresome after you post it three or four times,although obviously intelligent you are in danger of becoming a 'one trick pony'.

RobMc59

Deleted User wrote: »

Aegir wrote: »

should that sentence not end "By Jingo"?

You think you still have a right to fúck the Irish over without repercussions? To hold this entire state to ransom by virtue of your rule in part of this country, a rule created by your British state overthrowing the democratically expressed wishes of the majority of the population of Ireland in 1920? Lest we forget that English nationalist love of "democracy" in Ireland.

You don't. Those days of pushing the Irish about are over, and the sooner you all accept it, the sooner both our nations can live in peace. This is the latest instalment of your country's long, ignominious history of being absolute cúnts to the natives.

Now, however, for the first time the natives are part of a much, much bigger power bloc. Shoe. Other foot.

Just as the Germans were forced to come to terms with their fascism after WWII defeat Brexit will force you all to come to terms, for the first time in your history, with your imperialism.

As with Germans after 1945, that catharsis should permanently clip the wings of your poppy-pushing, war-glorifying, British Empire-defending soulmates.

Your constant"just you wait,you've got it coming to you".becomes tiresome after you post it three or four times,although obviously intelligent you are in danger of becoming a 'one trick pony'.

Pa ElGrande

Sarah Pittam: The intended audience for the prorogation is the leadership of the EU

Those who object to Brexit appear to have lost sight of the fact that this is a negotiation between the Government and the EU, not between the House of Commons and the Government. Further wrecking moves are not going to solve the problem, nor enable the UK to reach an agreement, but will simply prolong the agony. Number 10 has simply removed the uninvited guests of Remainers in the Commons from the negotiating table. Remainers and anti-No Dealers cannot conclude an agreement with the EU and thus Downing Street has decided that their presence is obstructive.
<snip>
When it comes as negotiation analysis, a dominant strategy is one where both sides will benefit from an agreement. Notwithstanding the face-saving and bravado that has gone on between the two sides, a No Deal must be avoided because nobody can state with absolute confidence the extent to which it will impact either the UK or the EU. If it goes wrong for the UK, the result will be food and medicine shortages and civil unrest. If it goes wrong for the EU, Angela Merkel having held the post of Chancellor for 14 years, will be left with a legacy of tipping her country into a recession and Leo Varadkar will have to explain why he allowed the Irish economy to implode.


source

Stop moaning ffs

One look at the source of the article and lol

First Up

RobMc59 wrote:

Your constant"just you wait,you've got it coming to you".becomes tiresome after you post it three or four times,although obviously intelligent you are in danger of becoming a 'one trick pony'.

So the UK's negotiating strategy is to threaten to collapse the Irish economy and send Germany into recession but you find it tiresome when someone says the UK will deserve everything it gets?

Stop moaning ffs

Nobody wishes Ill will on the people of Britain. But the reality is there comes a point when a person or a country has to face up to choices it’s made. That point is now upon them.