Random EV thoughts.....

JPA

unkel wrote: »

You will have to try your seats, it's the only way.

EV - Tesla Model S and X almost guaranteed they will fit, most other EVs not so sure. Ioniq, Tesla Model 3 and Leaf have reasonable rear seating, 3 adults would (just) comfortably fit to give you an idea. All other EVs that I can think of are too small.

PHEV - Try Mitsubishi Outlander and Kia Optima

Eniro and esoul? Would they have a bigger capacity?

unkel

You'll have to try but I'd say both will have less width in the back than Ioniq / Leaf, so not much chance of 3 kids seats

cafard

Nolars wrote: »

Is it possible to get a ev or even phev that fits 3 baby car seats in the back seat?

The only one I've found when looking around before was the Nissan e-NV200 van, as they made a people carrier version of it (called Evalia iirc). 7 seaters with two passenger rows. Unless things have changed though, the people carrier variant is unavailable in Ireland, so would have to be a UK import.

copeyhagen

unkel wrote: »

Just back from a fortnight in the south of Spain. Didn't spot a single EV. Plenty of Ioniq hybrids though, for some reason. They must not follow Nyland over there (you don't want those ones he said pointing at the hybrid and PHEV ) and / or taxation and incentives must be bad for EVs...

Such a contrast with my last trip to the Netherlands only a few weeks ago. EVs everywhere. Must be the second country in the world after Norway for EV penetration. Tesla Model 3 was the best selling car (!!!) in NL in March.

also just back from 2 weeks in benalmadena. my folks have a palce there so there every eyar. didnt see a single ev car over there, but also didnt see a single charger anywhere. they have 0 infrastructure by the looks of it. as you said, everything was hybrids though.

Silent Running

copeyhagen wrote: »

also just back from 2 weeks in benalmadena. my folks have a palce there so there every eyar. didnt see a single ev car over there, but also didnt see a single charger anywhere. they have 0 infrastructure by the looks of it. as you said, everything was hybrids though.

What? You didn't see the charger right on the big roundabout in Malaga? :D

Or maybe it was Marbella... yep check that... at the big copper cone in Marbella.

https://goo.gl/maps/2YQERNL3GgWYbJhz5

charlieIRL

I was in belfast at the weekend and did't see an EV's, don't remember seeing any chargers either for that matter.

redcup342

charlieIRL wrote: »

I was in belfast at the weekend and did't see an EV's, don't remember seeing any chargers either for that matter.

There's around 20 chargers around Belfast City Center, a lot of them run by ESB ecars. 
Even some rapids just outside the City Center.

kanuseeme

redcup342 wrote: »

There's around 20 chargers around Belfast City Center, a lot of them run by ESB ecars. 
Even some rapids just outside the City Center.

You know anything about cost to charge? Should we be subsidising them?

JPA

kanuseeme wrote: »

You know anything about cost to charge? Should we be subsidizing them?

Subsidising?

markpb

kanuseeme wrote: »

You know anything about cost to charge? Should we be subsidising them?

You’re in for a shock if you ever go to London!

JPA

zg3409 wrote: »

According to cpinfo.ie both outputs were in use today. It seems to have started communicating on the 11th of July and one and both sides have been used since. There is another charger in clifden too at abbeyglen hotel, see plugshare app but no reports recent, may be for customers

Thanks for this but when I look up the charge point at Clifden, CP:C6NJV, it says it is Gorey.

Any ideas?

zg3409

JPA wrote: »

Thanks for this but when I look up the charge point at Clifden, CP:C6NJV, it says it is Gorey.

Look up CP:C9NGD type2 standard. Station House Courtyard, Galway Road, Clifden, County Galway

Shows use today. I find the ID shown in zapmap works on cpinfo.ie while the id used on ESB ecars app shows wrong locations. Happy charging. Note Galway races on for next week, expect major delays in Cliften/Galway area and busy chargers.

Black_Knight

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/ford-signs-deal-with-bord-g%C3%A1is-for-home-electric-car-chargers-1.3974088

Potentially interesting, but zero detail. Interesting to see if they do some EV deal on electricity if you buy the charger off them.

And the one detail I picked out of it all was the "IONITY group, which already has one Irish fast-charging hub up and running near Cashel."
Hasn't there been 2 for weeks now?

Are electric Ireland still supplying chargers (of out of date spec)?

Water John

This Report shows the potential of combining renewables wind and solar with EVs.
https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/the-death-toll-for-petrol-irresistible-economics-of-renewables-and-evs-spells-doom-for-oil

BNP Paribas’ new report, dubbed ‘Wells, wires and wheels’, introduces the concept of energy return on capital invested (EROCI) and examines the link between mobility, energy and capital outlays.

It focuses on how much energy would be returned from a specific capital investment, comparing oil’s contribution to petrol and diesel-fuelled vehicles with renewables - chiefly wind and solar - and battery EVs.

The bank’s analysis concludes that for the same capital outlay, wind, solar and battery EVs can deliver between 6.2 and 7-times more useful energy than oil if it’s priced at US$60 per barrel, roughly the same price as Brent Crude is today.

charlieIRL

I have the use of our work EV for a few days, first time to drive it in the wet. Crikey the rain / wipers and heater really zaps the battery. My commute is just shy of 59kms and I’ve barely used that amount of battery before but today, driving the same as before, I used over 100kms. Didn’t use AC, didn’t drive much different than before.

Does rain really make that much of a difference??
No charger at home yet and need to use it for work tomorrow so hopefully will have enough batter to do the day.

Stealthirl

I had started another thread but thought i post it here aswell

Stealthirl wrote: »

While looking on the CSO site to reply to a Facebook post i compiled some interesting stats.

Total new car Licensed by fuel type between 2010 and 2018

Diesel 625,531
Petrol 222,669
Hybrid 19,555
BEV 3,220

2018 stats but current pricing on websites and i'm assuming delivery ect not included

Top 10 cars sold with there base price
Golf €22,495
Focus €22,850
Tucson €27,495
Qashqai €27,570
Octavia €22,025
Yaris €15,950
Sportage €29,850
Tiguan €32,450
Fiesta €15,961
C-HR €27,170

Nissan Leaf was 49th €28,690 and Zoe 148th €25,590

All Ioniq's were 142nd €29745/PHEV €32,745, all i3's were 160th €46,649 [120Ah]

Tesla Model S was 153rd €89,800 (More new S's then i3's sold)

Stealthirl wrote: »

Surprised there was only 3,220 BEV's untill the end of 2018, there's been 2,395 added so far this year bringing the current total to 5,615 :eek:
In the space of 12 months the number of BEV's could likely double, ESB better get moving on new chargers and installing more then 1 FCP per location

DrPhilG

charlieIRL wrote: »

Crikey the rain / wipers and heater really zaps the battery.

Wipers make damn all difference, but heat does, and rain most of all.

What car was it?

markpb

DrPhilG wrote: »

Wipers make damn all difference, but heat does, and rain most of all.

Why does rain have an impact?

JohnC.

I don't know if rain in the air has an effect, but water on the road will. The car will have to work harder to get through the surface water.

Mickeroo

charlieIRL wrote: »

I have the use of our work EV for a few days, first time to drive it in the wet. Crikey the rain / wipers and heater really zaps the battery. My commute is just shy of 59kms and I’ve barely used that amount of battery before but today, driving the same as before, I used over 100kms. Didn’t use AC, didn’t drive much different than before.

Does rain really make that much of a difference??
No charger at home yet and need to use it for work tomorrow so hopefully will have enough batter to do the day.

What car is it? Battery % would be a better gauge than what the GOM is saying.

Rain (and wind) makes a difference but not a crazy amount, in crap weather at this time of year it would mean maybe using 10% of the battery instead of 8% for me to get home in the ioniq (26kms or so).

DrPhilG

markpb wrote: »

Why does rain have an impact?

This thread explains it well:
https://www.speakev.com/threads/why-does-rain-have-such-an-effect-on-range.15027/

Black_Knight

DrPhilG wrote: »

This thread explains it well:
https://www.speakev.com/threads/why-does-rain-have-such-an-effect-on-range.15027/

Love this:

This means the rain impacts both an EV and an ICE, but disproportionately more the EV, whilst the ICE "hides" that additional requirement in its overall inefficiency.

Old diesel

The efficiency bit is interesting.

The TFL YouTube channel got bad efficiency when towing with a Model X.

But they still got the equivalent of 42 mpg (Vs 115 MPGe when not towing).

That's US gallons which are smaller then ours.

charlieIRL

Mickeroo wrote: »

What car is it? Battery % would be a better gauge than what the GOM is saying.

Rain (and wind) makes a difference but not a crazy amount, in crap weather at this time of year it would mean maybe using 10% of the battery instead of 8% for me to get home in the ioniq (26kms or so).

DrPhilG wrote: »

Wipers make damn all difference, but heat does, and rain most of all.

What car was it?

sorrty forgot to say, brand new Renault Zoe.

Different story this morning, done 82kms to a site a back to work with a/c on, lights and fog light on at first and radio blaring and used 83kms of battery!!

Water John

The distance left estimating thing is nuts. When I leave home and drive 12km to a local town, I have more than when I started the journey. Use the % of battery to measure what is used and left.

ELM327

This morning on the m3 I saw 3 white 192 kona electrics, a leaf 40, 2 ioniqs and a first gen leaf - all between clonee and blanch shopping center.

The amount of EVs on the road now is representing (anecdotally) growth of exponential proportion since I got my first EV in 2016

Mike9832

Not for EV's yet, but Samsung supposedly has graphene powder ready for it's lithium ion cells

Galaxy S12 could get the battery, with way faster charging and higher energy density

Was supposed to go into the S10, but they couldn't get it ready for mass production.

The next gen of battery tech will be introduced in flaghsip mobile devices first imo, €1000/kWh is no prob to Apple/Samsung etc when flagship phones are barely require 0.010kWh

https://www.techradar.com/news/new-samsung-phone-battery-tech-could-be-a-huge-boost-to-galaxy-s12

Gumbo

charlieIRL wrote: »

sorrty forgot to say, brand new Renault Zoe.

Different story this morning, done 82kms to a site a back to work with a/c on, lights and fog light on at first and radio blaring and used 83kms of battery!!

Lights, wipers and radio have no impact on battery, they are powered from the 12V.

The AC will draw power from the main battery though.

unkel

kceire wrote: »

Lights, wipers and radio have no impact on battery, they are powered from the 12V.

And how do you think the 12V is powered? :pac:

Agreed though these don't use much energy, provided your EV has all round LED lighting (which a lot of them don't)

0.2 kW total used by lightning compared to 10-20 kW used by the motor is a drop of 1-2 km of range per each 100 of kilometers driven. More energy can be saved by slowing down by 5 km/h. The heatpump heating also typically consumes something similar on average.

A high average speed, headwind and standing water on the road are the biggest range killers. Not to mention roof racks and under inflated tyres.

Black_Knight

Bad news for anyone heading to Cork. Kinsale road roundabout charger is still out of service, and ESB app suggests the rochestown fast charger CCS is out of service.

God speed

Black_Knight

https://twitter.com/Jpark1995/status/1161351854439174147?s=20

Good trolling

Black_Knight

The chargers at home store and more at turners cross cork seem to be operational now. I was driving past and noticed a Prius charging at one of them (kinda pathetic how long bed be there to charge when he has petrol... And self charging).

Pulled up beside and asked was the charger working, and did he need a card or something to initiate it. Those Prius drivers aren't as chatty as us BEV drivers. Got a very gruff yes, and no out of him.

Handy for my oh too frequent trips to woodies.

Lumen

I find the FastNed charge graphs interesting.

Audi seem to have really nailed fast charging in the upper half of the SOC

KCross

Lumen wrote: »

I find the FastNed charge graphs interesting.

Audi seem to have really nailed fast charging in the upper half of the SOC

I think the key thing Audi have done is significantly over provision the battery which allows the better charge curve. I believe it’s a 95kWh battery with a whopping 11kWh’s of that reserved, so 84kWh usable. That allows them maintain high charge rate for much higher SoC (on the dash, not actual SoC)

In comparison nearly all Tesla’s have <5kWh’s reserved and at the lower end (Ioniqs, Leafs etc) they only have 2-3kWh reserved... makes a big difference to when throttling occurs.

It’s a good move by Audi but obviously increases cost and reduces range. They obviously think they have the balance right for their target market and maybe they have!

Lumen

Yes, but that only partially explains it unless my maths is off.

Full speed charge to 80% of 84kWh is 67kWh, which is 70% of 95 kWh. The M3 starts slowing at 50% of usable.

ELM327

Lumen wrote: »

Yes, but that only partially explains it unless my maths is off.

Full speed charge to 80% of 84kWh is 67kWh, which is 70% of 95 kWh. The M3 starts slowing at 50% of usable.

Actually it starts around 40%
But it's slowing from 250kW not 143kW that the etron peaks at

unkel

And the Tesla would show a much better graph on the 350kW Ionity chargers, compared to both others. Even though those chargers (max 500A) can not give the Tesla the amps that it wants (666A)

Water John

Are there many Teslas in the country? One charging in my local town the last number of weeks.

Black_Knight

Water John wrote: »

Are there many Teslas in the country? One charging in my local town the last number of weeks.

161 new ones in the last 2 calendar years according to https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

Not sure where imported car stats can be got from. EDIT. Perhaps that number includes imports...

Black_Knight

Black_Knight wrote: »

The chargers at home store and more at turners cross cork seem to be operational now. I was driving past and noticed a Prius charging at one of them (kinda pathetic how long bed be there to charge when he has petrol... And self charging).

Pulled up beside and asked was the charger working, and did he need a card or something to initiate it. Those Prius drivers aren't as chatty as us BEV drivers. Got a very gruff yes, and no out of him.

Handy for my oh too frequent trips to woodies.

Update. I tried it out. Prius driver was an idiot. The charger does nothing without being initiated. My guess is he sat in his car assuming it was charging itself. #selfcharging

Old diesel

Black_Knight wrote: »

Update. I tried it out. Prius driver was an idiot. The charger does nothing without being initiated. My guess is he sat in his car assuming it was charging itself. #selfcharging

When you say "does nothing without being initiated" - did you manage to get it to work.

Or is it a case that it needs some kind of card you don't have

Black_Knight

Old diesel wrote: »

When you say "does nothing without being initiated" - did you manage to get it to work.

Or is it a case that it needs some kind of card you don't have

The unit itself implies you need to "swipe & charge". I swiped everything I could at it, but it did nothing.

I didn't manage to get it working, nor did I spend much time trying. Tried both ports, flashed my ESB card at it, waited a minute or 2, nothing worked. Unplugged and went about spending money in woodies.

kanuseeme

Or the grumpy idiot phev driver got it to work?

Black_Knight

kanuseeme wrote: »

Or the grumpy idiot phev driver got it to work?

Or he lied to me when I asked did he have to swipe a fob or a card or anything. He was fierce grumpy. Probably just found out his car doesn't self charge.

charlieIRL

Not sure if I asked this before but is it possible to use a public charger before you get your swipe card to start / stop the chargers? (I.e e-card or EasyGo card)

krissovo

charlieIRL wrote: »

Not sure if I asked this before but is it possible to use a public charger before you get your swipe card to start / stop the chargers? (I.e e-card or EasyGo card)

Yes, phone up the number on the charger and they will "normally" switch it on, certainly on the ESB chargers.

charlieIRL

krissovo wrote: »

Yes, phone up the number on the charger and they will "normally" switch it on, certainly on the ESB chargers.

Brilliant, thanks.

jprboy

krissovo wrote: »

Yes, phone up the number on the charger and they will "normally" switch it on, certainly on the ESB chargers.

That's a 1890 number. Save 01 2583799 as the eCars number on your phone and use that instead.

unkel

And ESB will tell you not to, but any RFID card or your phone will work too on most chargers. Leap card, bank card, etc.