Random EV thoughts.....

unkel

JPA wrote: »

A lot of people would have no clue what they are looking at when they see a supercharger.

Yeah. The same people that don't know what a mobile phone looks like. Or what an ATM is for

AndyBoBandy

Unkel - was this today? As the owner of that boat claims to have been in Kerry all day today, and apparently sold their silver Audi a while back!!!!!!!

I managed to find a guy who knows the owner…….

unkel

Internet detective :cool:

No it was way back in 2017 sometime

AndyBoBandy

unkel wrote: »

Internet detective :cool:

No it was way back in 2017 sometime

Ah, fair enough.


Know this though, that guy has just been reminded of that time he was an ass hat 4 years ago……

JPA

unkel wrote: »

Yeah. The same people that don't know what a mobile phone looks like. Or what an ATM is for

High chance they wouldn't have in 2017 anyway.

maidhc

unkel wrote: »

Internet detective :cool:

No it was way back in 2017 sometime

In fairness, the chances of a Tesla pulling in there four years ago was pretty remote!

Seriously though ev drivers better get used to not having charging stations or having to use ones at “market price” shortly.

I’ll probably change my diesel avensis this year. I can’t see any other option for me other than a Camry. (I despise suvs with all my heart, And I’ll only drive toyotas or mercs, and I’m not sure about the current mercs)

sk8board

unkel wrote: »

Internet detective :cool:

No it was way back in 2017 sometime

Jeez, that pic is 4 years old??? Did you have it saved to Favourites or something.
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Some people are assh0les. some people genuinely don’t see other people around them when they are out in the world. They only see themselves. accept it and move on. They don’t care what you think about them
there’s no prizes for being the worlds policeman.
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Our local supermarket has parking spaces 20m from the door, and double yellows all the way up to the door itself (because it’s on a crossroads). guess where most people will park, some with the engine left running …?
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some people are just assh0les and only see themselves in the world …

the_amazing_raisin

sk8board wrote: »

Jeez, that pic is 4 years old??? Did you have it saved to Favourites or something.
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Some people are assh0les. some people genuinely don’t see other people around them when they are out in the world. They only see themselves. accept it and move on. They don’t care what you think about them
there’s no prizes for being the worlds policeman.
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Our local supermarket has parking spaces 20m from the door, and double yellows all the way up to the door itself (because it’s on a crossroads). guess where most people will park, some with the engine left running …?
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some people are just assh0les and only see themselves in the world …

Unfortunately you're correct, probability being what it is means more people = more gobsh!tes

Still, bad behaviour need to be called out. People won't act the maggot if they don't think they'll get away with it

I am getting a chuckle out of the idea that Unkel has that picture on a dartboard full of holes for whenever he needs something to hate

unkel

Just for the record, I took the picture because I found it amusing. I didn't even have a Tesla at the time. Cue a few years later, people posting pictures of the Tesla superchargers being ICEd, so I thought of that picture and dug it up

Bad parking in general doesn't really bother me, I couldn't care less If I had a Tesla and needed a charge, I would have just driven over the curb to get to the charger

liamog

I love the idea of yer man finally getting his comeuppance after 4 years, we'll find you eventually every single one you parking space blockers.

AndyBoBandy

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Ah, fair enough.


Know this though, that guy has just been reminded of that time he was an ass hat 4 years ago……

A reminder to all that what goes on the internet, stays on the internet (unless you live in China).

AndyBoBandy

I was at the Cliff's of Moher on Monday, and the guy checking us into the carpark immediately recognised the car as a Tesla so we had a brief chat about EV's (his friend had just recently collected an ID.4). I mentioned that a place like the Cliff's carpark would be an ideal spot for a bank of EV chargers, and he said that a plan was actually in the works to do just that.... so watch this space...

Would make absolute sense for the likes of any touristy attraction type place where folks could easily spend 1-4 hours to have EV chargers there to attract folk in from afar..

Relatively low cost to to install (chargers are free from Tesla), and potentially opening up to more visitors, and for longer periods if the carrot of free charging is dangled, and even if not free, still a great plus if it means people don't need to stop en-route for a charge...

mfceiling

So we've bought a house in Dublin 6 with on street parking and no chance of the planning being permitted to convert the garden into a driveway (estate agent says no chance).

Approximately 1 year of renovations needed so anyone who wants to buy a low mileage model 3 performance in a year drop me a PM!!

Back to diesel. Must remember to tell the council that the refusal to allow a driveway where 1 car can be charged, to buying another diesel to park on the street must be a great idea for their "green" policies.

TitianGerm

mfceiling wrote: »

So we've bought a house in Dublin 6 with on street parking and no chance of the planning being permitted to convert the garden into a driveway (estate agent says no chance).

Approximately 1 year of renovations needed so anyone who wants to buy a low mileage model 3 performance in a year drop me a PM!!

Back to diesel. Must remember to tell the council that the refusal to allow a driveway where 1 car can be charged, to buying another diesel to park on the street must be a great idea for their "green" policies.

Why would you need planning to sort a driveway? Is it to alter the footpath rather than your garden?

liamog

mfceiling wrote: »

Back to diesel. Must remember to tell the council that the refusal to allow a driveway where 1 car can be charged, to buying another diesel to park on the street must be a great idea for their "green" policies.

How dare you propose to use your own property to store metal boxes instead of storing it on public property!

kop-end

TitianGerm wrote: »

Why would you need planning to sort a driveway? Is it to alter the footpath rather than your garden?

If the footpath needs to be ‘dished’ then he will need planning permission, architect drawings and to top it all off, €500 for the lads to come out and dish the footpath for him

mfceiling

TitianGerm wrote: »

Why would you need planning to sort a driveway? Is it to alter the footpath rather than your garden?

Apparently one house on the row got planning and that was it!! The council say you have to be able to turn a car in the space (ample room as far as I'm concerned). I've no time for gardening as it is so I'd be more than happy to take out the shītty looking flowerbeds, get some nice gravel and kerbs down and install a charging point.
There is paid parking directly outside the house even though it's not a place where anyone would need to be so the revenue each year would be minimal.

the_amazing_raisin

mfceiling wrote: »

Apparently one house on the row got planning and that was it!! The council say you have to be able to turn a car in the space (ample room as far as I'm concerned). I've no time for gardening as it is so I'd be more than happy to take out the shītty looking flowerbeds, get some nice gravel and kerbs down and install a charging point.
There is paid parking directly outside the house even though it's not a place where anyone would need to be so the revenue each year would be minimal.

I think I saw some house in South Dublin installed a turntable so they could have a driveway

If you've a spare million that's an option

mfceiling

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I think I saw some house in South Dublin installed a turntable so they could have a driveway

If you've a spare million that's an option

If anyone would like to give me a million I'll take it!!

Wife is convinced that the council will put chargers on the street lamps in the next couple of years. She hasn't a clue.

the_amazing_raisin

mfceiling wrote: »

If anyone would like to give me a million I'll take it!!

Wife is convinced that the council will put chargers on the street lamps in the next couple of years. She hasn't a clue.

I reckon you could take the council to court under the climate action bill for preventing you from being environmentally responsible

Duckjob

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I think I saw some house in South Dublin installed a turntable so they could have a driveway

If you've a spare million that's an option

Probably would use as much leccy to operate that as to charge the car

kanuseeme

Duckjob wrote: »

Probably would use as much leccy to operate that as to charge the car

Done a quick search, 240 v system the one I was looking at. so I doubt it would use that much electricity, balanced on a big bearing, a good push would turn it without electric.

I seen a price for 15000 euro installed. DIY options also.

Then there is cheap, https://www.iedepot.ie/car-wheel-dollies/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIj8nhn46L8QIVA-ztCh1uewiDEAQYAiABEgKEc_D_BwE

Not practical. :D:D:D

MJohnston

Could you not run a granny charger out to the car easily enough? How wide is the footpath outside the house?

unkel

mfceiling wrote: »

So we've bought a house in Dublin 6 with on street parking and no chance of the planning being permitted to convert the garden into a driveway (estate agent says no chance).

Approximately 1 year of renovations needed so anyone who wants to buy a low mileage model 3 performance in a year drop me a PM!!

Back to diesel.

Is there a CCS fast charger near you? Tesla Sandyford has got planning permission granted for a supercharger. For sure it will be up and running within a year. That's about a 15 min drive from you off peak? Your range is what, 400km? So you charge say once a week (when not on longer trips)?

Instead of losing a lot on your car in depreciation (and going back to 20th century motoring ) would you not give that a try to see if it's workable?

Of course a SuC is several times more expensive than charging up at night rate at home, but still a good bit cheaper than petrol / diesel. Or could you get work charging? The last 6-12 months before COVID hit, every car park in every business park seemed to get a charger or two, this will keep continuing

Black_Knight

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I was at the Cliff's of Moher on Monday, and the guy checking us into the carpark immediately recognised the car as a Tesla so we had a brief chat about EV's (his friend had just recently collected an ID.4). I mentioned that a place like the Cliff's carpark would be an ideal spot for a bank of EV chargers, and he said that a plan was actually in the works to do just that.... so watch this space...

Would make absolute sense for the likes of any touristy attraction type place where folks could easily spend 1-4 hours to have EV chargers there to attract folk in from afar..

Relatively low cost to to install (chargers are free from Tesla), and potentially opening up to more visitors, and for longer periods if the carrot of free charging is dangled, and even if not free, still a great plus if it means people don't need to stop en-route for a charge...

Guarantee if I was at a place where I could spend multiple hours touristing and charge for free, I'd stay longer if it meant not having to fast charge en route. Consequently I'd likely spend more at said tourist destination (food, tours etc). There's a limit to how long I'd stay though. Don't understand why businesses aren't catching onto this. Fota wildlife is one I regular think should suss this out.


IKEA and their 7kW unit comes to mind. It's not free, it's costly (after 2 hours) and it's slow.

innrain

I would be optimistic about it. If any consolation I have 2 EVs and no home charger. Recently got fast charger @work and even if is 6-8 times more expensive than for others @home it is still fine. In a year time the demand would be so high that the networks will pick up. Funny bit after two years the property management approached me to restart disussions about charger installation. Turned out one member was heavily opposing but recently sold. Amazes me how these decisions can be left to personal opinion. Who knows maybe DCC will do what Westminster borough does or maybe will take Amsterdam as model
https://www.westminster.gov.uk/request-vehicle-charging-point
https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/08/totalenergies-builds-2200-more-points-in-amsterdam/

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Guarantee if I was at a place where I could spend multiple hours touristing and charge for free, I'd stay longer if it meant not having to fast charge en route. Consequently I'd likely spend more at said tourist destination (food, tours etc). There's a limit to how long I'd stay though. Don't understand why businesses aren't catching onto this. Fota wildlife is one I regular think should suss this out.


IKEA and their 7kW unit comes to mind. It's not free, it's costly (after 2 hours) and it's slow.

Glendalough and Powerscourt are two other obvious ones. You can easily spend half the day at either, enough to get a decent bit of charge on a 7kW unit

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

Is there a CCS fast charger near you? Tesla Sandyford has got planning permission granted for a supercharger. For sure it will be up and running within a year. That's about a 15 min drive from you off peak? Your range is what, 400km? So you charge say once a week (when not on longer trips)?

Instead of losing a lot on your car in depreciation (and going back to 20th century motoring ) would you not give that a try to see if it's workable?

Of course a SuC is several times more expensive than charging up at night rate at home, but still a good bit cheaper than petrol / diesel. Or could you get work charging? The last 6-12 months before COVID hit, every car park in every business park seemed to get a charger or two, this will keep continuing

I'd agree, currently I only need to charge my ID.4ID.4 once a week, even if I was commuting to work. Model 3 performance should do even better

It's a hassle to live off public charging, but I'd give it a go for a few months before jumping back on the diesel train

And who knows, maybe complaining to the council about their hostile attitude towards EV charging will get some traction

the_amazing_raisin

MJohnston wrote: »

Could you not run a granny charger out to the car easily enough? How wide is the footpath outside the house?

Some clown will trip over it and sue you

Best solution would be to park on the pavement right against the front gate, so no one can get past on the side with the charging cable

liamog

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Best solution would be to park on the pavement right against the front gate

I will remind you of the boards.ie charter, you cannot suggest people illegally park on the pavement.

the_amazing_raisin

liamog wrote: »

I will remind you of the boards.ie charter, you cannot suggest people illegally park on the pavement.

Darn, my sinister plot has been foiled again

mfceiling

MJohnston wrote: »

Could you not run a granny charger out to the car easily enough? How wide is the footpath outside the house?

Probably about 6 or 7 foot. If someone tripped over it I'd be in bother!!

mfceiling

I'm probably being melodramatic to be honest. Just pīssed off that you try to do your bit to be a bit more environmentally friendly but the council are like "meh".

I looked into the charging from the lamppost idea and we have a grand total of.....1 in dun laoghaire.

I'm actually half tempted to get some sort of tall post and drop the cable from a height at the gate out to the car (subject to getting a park outside the house).

fits

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Some clown will trip over it and sue you

Best solution would be to park on the pavement right against the front gate, so no one can get past on the side with the charging cable

Used to love this type of thing when pushing a double buggy around. People in wheelchairs really appreciate it too.

mfceiling

This is my problem.

fits

mfceiling wrote: »

This is my problem.

That’s a very nice problem to have!

unkel

mfceiling wrote: »

This is my problem.

Lovely house. I guess a long time ago a previous owner built a mews at the end of the garden and / or sold the land, so you have no lane way access round the back?

the_amazing_raisin

fits wrote: »

Used to love this type of thing when pushing a double buggy around. People in wheelchairs really appreciate it too.

I was jesting of course, I find it annoying as well when that happens

Still, it's a good way to highlight how annoying it can be when authorities claim to be environmentally friendly but aren't doing anything about charging facilities

the_amazing_raisin

mfceiling wrote: »

This is my problem.

I'm considerably less sympathetic all of a sudden

mfceiling

unkel wrote: »

Lovely house. I guess a long time ago a previous owner built a mews at the end of the garden and / or sold the land, so you have no lane way access round the back?

It is a lovely house on the outside but it is falling to bits on the inside!!

Yes the previous owner built a mews so I have no access at the rear.

TitianGerm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Guarantee if I was at a place where I could spend multiple hours touristing and charge for free, I'd stay longer if it meant not having to fast charge en route. Consequently I'd likely spend more at said tourist destination (food, tours etc). There's a limit to how long I'd stay though. Don't understand why businesses aren't catching onto this. Fota wildlife is one I regular think should suss this out.


IKEA and their 7kW unit comes to mind. It's not free, it's costly (after 2 hours) and it's slow.

I was there yesterday and there was an Outlander charging on my way in and a Leaf and Niro on the way out.

DrPhilG

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Glendalough and Powerscourt are two other obvious ones. You can easily spend half the day at either, enough to get a decent bit of charge on a 7kW unit

Glenveagh National Park in Donegal has slow chargers too I believe.

MJohnston

mfceiling wrote: »

Probably about 6 or 7 foot. If someone tripped over it I'd be in bother!!

So IANAL etc etc but you can protect yourself from a lot of liability by taking reasonable steps to ensure people are aware of the trip hazard, and you're not leaving the cable there permanently. If it's an extension cord for a granny charger, rather than a thick Type 2 cable, it'll be easier to reduce the hazard. People trail hosepipes across the pavement all the time with little regard to liability.

You could throw down a high-vis, non-slip cable cover which isn't too prominent for people with reduced mobility. Here's an example of a UK council pragmatically recommending what to do:
https://www.hants.gov.uk/transport/electric-vehicles/ev-charging-guidance

Realistically, all DCC need to do here is allow property owners to create "cable channels" across pavements with some kind of removable cover.

unkel

MJohnston wrote: »

you can protect yourself from a lot of liability by taking reasonable steps to ensure people are aware of the trip hazard, and you're not leaving the cable there permanently. If it's an extension cord for a granny charger, rather than a thick Type 2 cable, it'll be easier to reduce the hazard. People trail hosepipes across the pavement all the time with little regard to liability.

You could throw down a high-vis, non-slip cable cover which isn't too prominent for people with reduced mobility. Here's an example of a UK council pragmatically recommending what to do:
https://www.hants.gov.uk/transport/electric-vehicles/ev-charging-guidance

This is Ireland and people will sue you. Don't even think about running a cable to your car from your property.

MJohnston

Also, mfceiling, not to snoop, but that looks like a very quiet residential street — it's not like you're dealing with a huge amount of pedestrian traffic.

And you're quite close to Dundrum TC — just go do your weekly shopping there and get a charge from one of the many free chargers.

MJohnston

unkel wrote: »

This is Ireland and people will sue you. Don't even think about running a cable to your car from your property.

People may try and sue you, that doesn't mean that they are even close to likely to win.

Consult with a lawyer (looks like you have the money to do so :pac:) and figure something out.

I'd also note mfceiling it looks like much more than just the one house on that street has turned their front garden into a driveway within the last 10 years (2009 Streetview shows no driveway, satellite map shows a driveway)

mfceiling

MJohnston wrote: »

People may try and sue you, that doesn't mean that they are even close to likely to win.

Consult with a lawyer (looks like you have the money to do so :pac:) and figure something out.

I'd also note mfceiling it looks like much more than just the one house on that street has turned their front garden into a driveway within the last 10 years (2009 Streetview shows no driveway, satellite map shows a driveway)

One house on the row did it years ago and apparently it was refused to the rest afterwards.

It is a quiet residential road but there is a popular park opposite it and a busy gym around the corner.

I just wouldn't be comfortable running a cable across the path. It's Ireland and someone would fall over it!!

MJohnston

mfceiling wrote: »

One house on the row did it years ago and apparently it was refused to the rest afterwards.

It is a quiet residential road but there is a popular park opposite it and a busy gym around the corner.

I just wouldn't be comfortable running a cable across the path. It's Ireland and someone would fall over it!!

There's definitely at least two properties on your street that didn't have driveways in 2009 and do now.

But if you're not willing or able to go that route, or the others, Dundrum Town Centre is probably your new best friend.

Parking is free until 10:30am on weekdays, and you can get €3 discount on your Tesco shopping if you have a parking ticket (no matter which time of day). Lots of chargers, including 4 x 22kW eCars spaces. If you time it right, you'll basically get your money back on cost of the eCars chargers.

Place is also generally dead before 9:30am.

Black_Knight

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I'd agree, currently I only need to charge my ID.4ID.4 once a week, even if I was commuting to work. Model 3 performance should do even better

My charge last night from 30% lasted a grand total of 40 minutes. At this rate I'll be charging every day.

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

My charge last night from 30% lasted a grand total of 40 minutes. At this rate I'll be charging every day.

So my statement that the M3 should do better was definitely correct