People that take up a seat on the bus for their bag

weldoninhio

the beer revolu wrote: »

Did you not just kindly explain that you do not purchase a ticket for a seat?

I did, but if you read the post I was replying to you’ll see that they had asked ‘Did you buy a second ticket for your bag’. Reading is fun.

weldoninhio

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

Because - wild guess - you're not old or pregnant, both of which can cause discomfort when standing.

Nice attempt at justifying selfish rude behaviour though.

No, I’m woke. So I treat everyone equally.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

When i'm on a bus and I'm travelling to work. I don't want someone's precious bag riding in comfort cause ***** are too inconsiderate to put the bag on their lap. I paid on to the bus. I know there are seats there. Just seats occupied by selfish prick's bags.

I don't want to have to ask someone to move their bag. I don't want to interact with you. Lots of people don't want to interact with you. I see it all the time. People coming up looking for seats, think they see a seat but there's a bag and the move on. People need to accept that they don't want to ask you to move your bag. So leaving your bag there is going on the offence. It's part of the problem. Sit with you bag on your lap or between your legs.

This isn't about whether paying you pay for a seat or not. This is about people being inconsiderate not to put their bag on their lap.

And a good portion of us will think its wankerish behaviour. And I make a point now to sit beside people that leave their bags on the seat. It's the only way I can get some recourse.

Bags on the seat. Loud ***** on phones and people that litter the bus and all go **** themselves.

Wildly Boaring

The bags are on the seat and left there to ensure every other second seat is taken before that seat.

They then move the bag.

I generally just move it for them. Pick it up and hand it to them.

"Sorry, here you go, thanks." Plonk.

Strumms

You are entitled to monopolize and use one free seat.

Who is sitting in the seats that you are not, or who is wanting to use a certain seat that may be in close proximity to you is none of your business. It’s ‘public’ transport that you have selected to use therefore you have the same entitlement as any of the public..to take and use one seat should one be free of someone sitting there.

Many people in society have a ‘need’ to sit in addition to an entitlement, that might not be completely obvious from looking at them but it could be due to a medical condition that in truth, nobody wants to have to explain to some rotten to the core ‘bag wanker’ they just want to sit in maximum comfort and safety for the duration of their journey as they are entitled to do.

If it’s a 23 year old fitness fanatic / Olympian guess what, they are entitled to the very same, on the way to or from the gym she or he is allowed and entitled to sit down in comfort, relaxed, instead of standing looking at some inbred, ignorant, horrible dipstick hogging two seats for themselves.

NOBODY should have to lower themselves to the level of having to enter into negotiations with this class of low life about achieving what they are entitled to, a seat on a bus.

Sad in a way that we are even forced to have this conversation in this country but hardly surprising from what we are seeing in general these days.

Deebles McBeebles

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

The bags are on the swat and left there to ensure every other second seat is taken before that seat.

They then move the bag.

I generally just move it for them. Pick it up and hand it to them.

"Sorry, here you go, thanks." Plonk.

Oh I am sorry sir, that's not a bag, its your fat child. Carry on.

Cryptopagan

Strumms wrote: »

You are entitled to monopolize and use one free seat.

Who is sitting in the seats that you are not, or who is wanting to use a certain seat that may be in close proximity to you is none of your business. It’s ‘public’ transport that you have selected to use therefore you have the same entitlement as any of the public..to take and use one seat should one be free of someone sitting there.

Many people in society have a ‘need’ to sit in addition to an entitlement, that might not be completely obvious from looking at them but it could be due to a medical condition that in truth, nobody wants to have to explain to some rotten to the core ‘bag wanker’ they just want to sit in maximum comfort and safety for the duration of their journey as they are entitled to do.

If it’s a 23 year old fitness fanatic / Olympian guess what, they are entitled to the very same, on the way to or from the gym she or he is allowed and entitled to sit down in comfort, relaxed, instead of standing looking at some in-bread, ignorant, horrible dipstick hogging two seats for themselves.

NOBODY should have to lower themselves to the level of having to enter into negotiations with this class of low life about achieving what they are entitled to, a seat on a bus.

Sad in a way that we are even forced to have this conversation in this country but hardly surprising from what we are seeing in general these days.

“In-bread” and ignorant, you say...

Edgware

Just sit behind them and throw peanuts at them

Strumms

Cryptopagan wrote: »

“In-bread” and ignorant, you say...

Yes , a slip of the finger which I have now corrected thanks to your most kind and timely intervention. I should use my loaf more.

Cryptopagan

Strumms wrote: »

Yes , a slip of the finger which I have now corrected thanks to your most kind and timely intervention. I should use my loaf more.

No problem, I’m just here browsing me phone with the bag up on the seat, and I was trying to look busy cause an aul one was eyeing it.

Strumms

Cryptopagan wrote: »

No problem, I’m just here browsing me phone with the bag up on the seat, and I was trying to look busy cause an aul one was eyeing it.

You should start eyeing her, that will show her, up AND down.

AudreyHepburn

I only do this when the bus/train/luas is nearly empty otherwise my bag sits on my lap.

If I get on and there are very few seats left I’ll make a point of heading for the person hogging two seats just to make a point.

kg703

antix80 wrote: »

I'm on the bus right now, sitting on the outside with my bag on the inside.
I'd move it if asked. The way I see it, there's plenty of free seats including 2 together further down the bus.

If the bus fills up I'll use the bag tactically to avoid sitting beside someone fat or who looks like they might have B.O problems or talk loudly on their phone. By avoiding eye contact people tend to keep walking, while if someone looks more amicable I'll kindly offer the free seat.

Is this a joke, I hope it is.... the bag on the inside person on the outside is 100% worse offender. Plus it’s not your seat to offer in the first.

I would sit beside you on purpose and fart

Cryptopagan

ger vallely wrote: »

Oh yeah. I bus to work on a school route every morning. Secondary school girls appear to be the worst offenders. They put their bags on the inside seat and avoid eye contact with anyone. I've asked for the seat many times, the huffing and sighing that goes on is comical. I do try remember that I was once that age myself but feck they wreck my head.

They are saving it for a mate

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

The bags on the seat is just one of many of things that people are doing to be disrespectful.

Standards on the bus are really being lowered because I think we're quite non-confrontational. People are openly, playing music on their phones now too, and watching videos on their phone without earphones. I'm not talking about teens, I'm talking about grown adults. I didn't get on the bus to listen to your ****. Why are you pushing it on me? This is a small, tight space. Let me ride as much of it in peace without your bull****.

Another annoying thing is that people are starting to think the bus is a good place to phone home on WhatsApp to their country and have a shouting match - no room-voice, no inside voice at all. Can you not have that conversation when you get off the bus?

How is it hard to not just get on, sit down, shut up, look out the window, look at your phone and keep quiet. If you have a bag, put it on your lap so you don't put pressure on people to negotiate a seat after a long hard day at work.

It's simple:

People want seats to sit down.
Every time you leave a bag on a seat you occupy a two seats (presuming you are sitting down too)
If 10 or 15 people leave bags on seats, that's 20 or 30 seats gone.
Each person with a bag on a seat is thinking.. "ah sure the bus isn't completely full." or.. "if they ask, I'll move it."
Meanwhile, people don't want to ask. They don't want he forced interaction with you.
People want to get on, sit down and go about their business.

Can all be avoided if everyone just put their bag on their lap or on the floor.

Seanachai

I bring a bag on the bus sometimes if I've go expensive gear in it, I've been on buses where bags have been lifted from the side. I'll keep it beside me and if I notice the bus filling up I'll stick it on the floor in front of me. What bothers me about buses is people having loud, inane conversations or clobs playing music so loud it can be heard outside their headphones.

Strumms

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

The bags on the seat is just one of many of things that people are doing to be disrespectful.

How is it hard to not just get on, sit down, shut up, look out the window, look at your phone and keep quiet. If you have a bag, put it on your lap so you don't put pressure on people to negotiate a seat

It's simple:

People want seats to sit down.
Every time you leave a bag on a seat you occupy a two seats (presuming you are sitting down too)
If 10 or 15 people leave bags on seats, that's 20 or 30 seats gone.
Each person with a bag on a seat is thinking.. "ah sure the bus isn't completely full." or.. "if they ask, I'll move it."
Meanwhile, people don't want to ask. They don't want he forced interaction with you.
People want to get on, sit down and go about their business.

Can all be avoided if everyone just put their bag on their lap or on the floor.

Well said ^

When I’m done with work I’m finished negotiating and trying to encourage fûckwits to do what they should be doing. I don’t want a random conversation with some joker who is that self absorbed he thinks his bag and belongings are deserving of a seat at the potential disruption, disrespect and wellbeing of a tired commuter.

Cryptopagan

The real problem here is that Irish buses are poor at providing safe places to leave bags. There is a small area at the front of Dublin Bus downstairs, and I think that’s it. I wouldn’t feel comfortable leaving a bag there unless I can sit downstairs too. Anyone could just casually lift it as they get off. They should have more racks. I usually keep my bag on my lap but if it’s unusually bulky and that’s not comfortable, I’ll leave it on the seat and move it if the bus fills up. Floor can get vey wet on rainy days.

Boxing.Fan

About the music thing, I was on a 17a a couple of weeks ago and some gob****e was playing music on his phone downstairs. The bus driver stopped at a bus stop and announced unless the music was stopped he wasnt driving any further. I've only had good experiences with the go ahead service. So far anyway.

Strumms

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

About the music thing, I was on a 17a a couple of weeks ago and some gob****e.

The 17A and gob****es to hand in hand, I used to have to use that route to attend a college course I was doing and the day there wasn’t some sort of ‘event’ was the exception. It traverses a good number of areas where ‘education’ struggled historically to impact the communities let’s say.

Boxing.Fan

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

About the music thing, I was on a 17a a couple of weeks ago and some gob****e was playing music on his phone downstairs. The bus driver stopped at a bus stop and announced unless the music was stopped he wasnt driving any further. I've only had good experiences with the go ahead service. So far anyway.

I was terribly hungover on an intercity Irish Rail once so I put head phones in to dissuade anyone from making conversation with me. Which can often happen on Trains - and I usually enjoy it but not that day.

Anyway this grumpy git sat beside me after boarding half way into my journey and about 10 minutes after sitting down shoved my arm. I took the headphones out to see what the problem was and he demanded I turn my music down and I should be more considerate of other passengers.

It shut him up when I pointed out to him that the other end of the headphones were not even connected to anything and I politely asked him how he would like me to achieve his request exactly.

razorblunt

I don't have a problem with folk on the outside seat with the inside empty, that might be their preference and they got there but I'm not asking for permission to sit there, I'm just saying "excuse me" and stepping through.

If your bag is on the seat, I'm sitting there too, regardless of other free seats.

razorblunt

razorblunt wrote: »

I don't have a problem with folk on the outside seat with the inside empty, that might be their preference

Indeed and I can give an example of that - I sit on the outside seat like that sometimes when I know I am getting off relatively soon.

I do this _with_ consideration for other passengers however - not without it.

Because if I was sitting on the inside and someone sat down - I would shortly have to ask them to stand up again. Possibly while the bus is moving - which for older people particularly can be quite an issue.

So by sitting on the outside - when they come to sit I stand up and let them sit on the inside - and then I sit down again. Now I do not have to ask them to rise when I have to get off.

JohnnyFlash

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Indeed and I can give an example of that - I sit on the outside seat like that sometimes when I know I am getting off relatively soon.

I do this _with_ consideration for other passengers however - not without it.

Because if I was sitting on the inside and someone sat down - I would shortly have to ask them to stand up again. Possibly while the bus is moving - which for older people particularly can be quite an issue.

So by sitting on the outside - when they come to sit I stand up and let them sit on the inside - and then I sit down again. Now I do not have to ask them to rise when I have to get off.

Kudos to you, dude. Lot of thought went into that that. Still makes you look like one of those asshats who sits in the outside seat though. Not quite as bad as bah on seat monsters, but still the optics are all wrong.

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Kudos to you, dude. Lot of thought went into that that. Still makes you look like one of those asshats who sits in the outside seat though.

Thankfully I have never been the kind of person ever who is concerned with how I look. Once I know what I am doing - and why I am doing it - is the right thing I could not care less about anyone else's impressions of me.

freshpopcorn

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Kudos to you, dude. Lot of thought went into that that. Still makes you look like one of those asshats who sits in the outside seat though. Not quite as bad as bah on seat monsters, but still the optics are all wrong.

I think the worst of the lot are those who feel the need to almost sit on top of you on an almost empty bus!

JohnnyFlash

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think the worst of the lot are those who feel the need to almost sit on top of you on an almost empty bus!

I don’t use public transport all that often, as I’m relatively successful in life. However I know the sort you are on about for sure - there’s a small but significant percentage of the population who do not understand the concept of personal space. People from the Indian subcontinent are also notorious for it.

Arghus

I must say this thread is very Boards. I must have taken the bus over a thousand times in my life and, yes, sometimes you might have to ask people to move their bag from a seat because you need to sit there. No-one, in my experience in all these years, as ever made a big deal of it, they just did it and everyone moved on with life.

People talking about quoting by-laws and having the literature on hand to back themselves up... Jesus, guys, how do you make it through life?

riemann

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I don’t use public transport all that often, as I’m relatively successful in life.

Anf yet here you are, with the rest of us.

freshpopcorn

Arghus wrote: »

I must say this thread is very Boards. I must have taken the bus over a thousand times in my life and, yes, sometimes you might have to ask people to move their bag from a seat because you need to sit there. No-one, in my experience in all these years, as ever made a big deal of it, they just did it and everyone moved on with life.

People talking about quoting by-laws and having the literature on hand to back themselves up... Jesus, guys, how do you make it through life?

I was only asked to move a jacket or something off a seat once by a man. It was a bus that wasn't even a quarter full but he did have a thing for sitting beside teenage lads and rubbing off them.

JohnnyFlash

riemann wrote: »

Anf yet here you are, with the rest of us.

This isn’t public transport, pal. It’s a message board for cranks, oddballs, and the permanently bewildered. Fairly at home here to be honest.

chrissb8

The worst is those who double down and sit on the outisde seat and put their bag on the window seat. They deserve hellfire.

RoyalCelt

is_that_so wrote: »

I deliberately target them with a smile, especially if there are other empty seats.

I sometimes put my bag on the bus seats if there are plenty others free. Had a lad like you ask me to move it so I said no bother, got up and sat in another row where both seats were free. Attention seeking **** wit he was.

the beer revolu

Would you all feck off with your aisle seat hating. Seriously, feck off.
If I'm flying, I pay to choose an aisle seat.
On the train, I'll always book a seat so I am guaranteed an aisle seat.
So, on a bus, yes, I'll sit in an aisle seat, it's my preference.
I have a bad spine and am uncomfortable sitting for long and need to stand up a lot. Sitting inside someone in a window seat makes me feel claustrophobic and anxious. I wont put my bag on the other seat and will gladly facilitate another passenger to get past me and use it.

So feck off you aisle seated people haters. You don't know why. And anyway, I was there first.
Feck off.

tusk

I get travel sick, so the only time I'm likely to ask someone to move their bag is when its on the front seats.

Saying that I would generally lash my bag on the seat beside me if there's space there. If someone asked me to move it i'd be more than happy to oblige.

I guess we're all just a little mental really...

Strumms

If it’s the middle of the afternoon, the bus is half full/empty, I’m not going to have an issue with someone using the seat adjacent to them for their bag. Plenty of free seats. Again, if it’s rush hour and me or people are struggling to find a seat, after a hard days work, long afternoon shopping or whatever I’m not going to be too diplomatic with some fûckwit who is countering my ability to be rested and comfortable for the journey in that situation going back to my family.

THINK, for your ‘peace of mind’ and ‘comfort’ you want to deprive someone of being able to sit, unless they inconvenience themselves by starting a conversation with you about their ability to take a seat and rest. The onus should be on THEM to inform you. That’s self entitled bôllocks at it’s finest. Leave the seat free, adhere to the bye laws which are conditions of you carriage and allow people the option of sitting in any seat they like that has not been occupied by a person.

Keyzer

bobbyss wrote: »

Indeed so. This is exactly what boards is for. Or do we all need some kind of permission from Keyser to offer an opinion.

No problem.

In other news, a bird just flew past my window.

riemann

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

This isn’t public transport, pal. It’s a message board for cranks, oddballs, and the permanently bewildered. Fairly at home here to be honest.

Really, how interesting.

anacc

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Brown Thomas lol
She probably has her aldi shopping in it.
You'll see some people going around rural towns like Ennis and Kilkenny with a Brown Thomas bag, the madness within me would love to say, wow you shop in Brown Thomas...

Roll out the fanfare and golden carpet...

Look everyone they shop in Brown Thomas, and the Metro Goldwyn Mayer Lion on standby....

There's an aul wan at work who brings her lunch in every day in a Brown Thomas bag. It's cringe.

is_that_so

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I sometimes put my bag on the bus seats if there are plenty others free. Had a lad like you ask me to move it so I said no bother, got up and sat in another row where both seats were free. Attention seeking **** wit he was.

If you don't put your bag there in the first place neither of you needs to engage in inner voice insults nor reflect pointlessly on people who have nothing to do with your life.

Not the bus exactly but the train. Spent some time in Norway a few years back and when travelling I always saw inspectors/conductors walk up and down the carriages between every few stops telling people in no uncertain terms to get their feet and their bags off empty seats. And I mean literally either get your bag off the seat or else pay for a ticket or be escorted by the police getting off at the next stop. This was always done in English so the offending passengers were foreigners btw.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Not the bus exactly but the train. Spent some time in Norway a few years back and when travelling I always saw inspectors/conductors walk up and down the carriages between every few stops telling people in no uncertain terms to get their feet and their bags off empty seats. And I mean literally either get your bag off the seat or else pay for a ticket or be escorted by the police getting off at the next stop. This was always done in English so the offending passengers were foreigners btw.

Apparently in Canada there are signs on transport to tell people to take off their backpacks and put them out of the way.

Edgware

Sit behind them and come on the back of their head

Outlaw Pete

Charming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESxRXECdMSk

Garibaldi?

mfceiling wrote: »

Yep...Better watch a pregnant woman stand than a fat woman sitting crying.

is_that_so wrote: »

Apparently in Canada there are signs on transport to tell people to take off their backpacks and put them out of the way.

There's a very big difference between putting your bag on an unneeded seat and planking your feet on one.

El_Duderino 09

I don’t see the huge problem. I’ve a 3 hour train journey for work occasionally and I do it when there’s space. If someone wants to sit they can simply ask. I’ve never refused to move my stuff. It just means that some people who are too childish to assert themselves will find somewhere else to sit and I have a greater chance of having a double seat to myself.

I’ve also never had a problem asking someone to move their bag so I can sit. Never had anyone refuse either. I had a daily commute until recently and now I deal with it semi regularly and it seems like a non issue to me.

isohon

the beer revolu wrote: »

Would you all feck off with your aisle seat hating. Seriously, feck off.
If I'm flying, I pay to choose an aisle seat.
On the train, I'll always book a seat so I am guaranteed an aisle seat.
So, on a bus, yes, I'll sit in an aisle seat, it's my preference.
I have a bad spine and am uncomfortable sitting for long and need to stand up a lot. Sitting inside someone in a window seat makes me feel claustrophobic and anxious. I wont put my bag on the other seat and will gladly facilitate another passenger to get past me and use it.

So feck off you aisle seated people haters. You don't know why. And anyway, I was there first.
Feck off.

Aisle seats for the win...

Firstly... stretch those legs (or one at least)

Also I'd much rather be the person excusing others for needing to use the bathroom than disturbing them because I need to.

r93kaey5p2izun

I wouldn't do it myself but don't think it's much of a problem on Dublin Bus anyway. I get around 35 buses a week and I have to sit due to health issues and it's just not something I come across very often. I found it was a much bigger issue in Berlin - it was rampant and people regularly refused to move them. I was taken aback at how widespread an issue it was there.

Regarding those sitting in an aisle seat, I just don't get people's problem with it! One of the most awful incidents I ever saw on a bus was some hoity toity man calling out a young lad for sitting in the aisle seat. The poor lad had already offered the inside seat, and his own, to all the standing women and they had refused. This pretentious man then makes a show of him for nothing. He was humiliated and clearly upset. Appalling carry on over nothing but he insisted he was in the right even when several people told him to cop on. Incredible that people can cause such a fuss over nothing. I'm amazed people find so many issues in simple daily interactions.

Boxing.Fan

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t see the huge problem. I’ve a 3 hour train journey for work occasionally and I do it when there’s space. If someone wants to sit they can simply ask. I’ve never refused to move my stuff. It just means that some people who are too childish to assert themselves will find somewhere else to sit and I have a greater chance of having a double seat to myself.

I’ve also never had a problem asking someone to move their bag so I can sit. Never had anyone refuse either. I had a daily commute until recently and now I deal with it semi regularly and it seems like a non issue to me.

The point is we shouldnt have to ask, there are by laws in place. It doesnt bother me if there are plenty of seats available but when buses/trains are busy I expect people to have the awareness and the cop on to know that someone is going to need that seat. If people have such a problem sitting beside someone on public transport its probably time to get a car and drive to work.

El_Duderino 09

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

The point is we shouldnt have to ask, there are by laws in place. It doesnt bother me if there are plenty of seats available but when buses/trains are busy I expect people to have the awareness and the cop on to know that someone is going to need that seat. If people have such a problem sitting beside someone on public transport its probably time to get a car and drive to work.

Likewise if someone has such a problem asking to move a bag, it’s probably time to get a car (equally ridiculous argument to the one above).

It’s just not a big deal. Simple assertiveness solves the problem in as little time as it takes to say “ could you move that bag please?”

But some people’s lack of assertiveness means I get a double seat to myself more often. It not good behaviour but it’s hardly a big problem.