Marches this Saturday

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote:

A few hundred people, you'd have been grand

Afew hundred people at a bottle neck that brings hundreds of buses through. If there was only going to be a niche group, they could have congregated in an alternative place or somewhere that didn't involve disrupting city centre traffic for a couple of hours.

irishproduce

lawred2 wrote: »

Jesus people love marching...

Marching/ sticking it in your face so you have to acknowledge

splinter65

klaaaz wrote: »

March all you like, don't impose your archaic religious views on the state affecting everyone's daily lives. You lost a couple of referendums already by a massive majority so secularism is a good thing which is here to stay.

But if you were happy for people to march on any cause they think worthy then it wouldn’t be an issue for you.
No, you are a bigot who wants to impose your ideology on everyone else.
That’s fine. You’re not the first and you won’t be the last.
But even in this post you won’t admit that. You’re going on about referendums in a thread about marches.
Did you think that referendum results meant that people were no longer allowed to protest or something?!?

klaaaz

splinter65 wrote: »

But if you were happy for people to march on any cause they think worthy then it wouldn’t be an issue for you.
No, you are a bigot who wants to impose your ideology on everyone else.
That’s fine. You’re not the first and you won’t be the last.
But even in this post you won’t admit that. You’re going on about referendums in a thread about marches.
Did you think that referendum results meant that people were no longer allowed to protest or something?!?

Nope never said that you have no right to protest in support of your religious ideology, protest away worshipping whatever entities you like. Don't force religious ideology on people who don't follow your religion, this was endorsed overwhelmingly in the recent referendums.

splinter65

klaaaz wrote: »

Nope never said that you have no right to protest in support of your religious ideology, protest away worshipping whatever entities you like. Don't force religious ideology on people who don't follow your religion, this was endorsed overwhelmingly in the recent referendums.

But how was this pro life march forcing anything on anyone else?
What part of the pro life march exactly was forcing a religious ideology on you?
Was the Trans Pride March also forcing Trans culture on everyone yesterday too?
Why can’t you just be honest and say that you think only marches and protests that meet with your approval should be allowed? It’s a natural human reaction.
If you just accept and admit that that’s how you feel, then you can start to stop yourself from being a bigot about so many things.

klaaaz

splinter65 wrote: »

But how was this pro life march forcing anything on anyone else?
What part of the pro life march exactly was forcing a religious ideology on you?
Was the Trans Pride March also forcing Trans culture on everyone yesterday too?
Why can’t you just be honest and say that you think only marches and protests that meet with your approval should be allowed? It’s a natural human reaction.
If you just accept and admit that that’s how you feel, then you can start to stop yourself from being a bigot about so many things.

Pro-life marches(where they don't care once the baby is born) have many leaders who are religious fundamentalists(the Sherlocks come to mind), they want the return of the 8th Amendment in order to control women's bodies again. That is forcing their religious ideology on the rest of us. The Trans Pride are not forcing anything on the rest of us, they just want their civil rights which is acceptable in a secular republic.

For the 3rd time, it's fine for them religious fundamentalists to march, they are a tiny minority anyway, let them foam at the mouth during the sermons on their marches.
That must be the 2nd time you called me a bigot for upholding secularism and opposing religious ideology. The vast majority of the population must be bigots in your eyes by now.

TheValeyard

super_furry wrote: »

Wait, the anti-choice crowd want a second referendum? On what basis? They got like 33 per cent of the vote.

They are not thinking three or five years. They are thinking 15 maybe 30 years down the road. A lot can change or slow ball rolling influence.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote:

Pro-life marches(where they don't care once the baby is born) have many leaders who are religious fundamentalists(the Sherlocks come to mind), they want the return of the 8th Amendment in order to control women's bodies again. That is forcing their religious ideology on the rest of us. The Trans Pride are not forcing anything on the rest of us, they just want their civil rights which is acceptable in a secular republic.

What about the non religious people who are pro life? Or can you not wrap your head around the fact that not all pro life people are religious leaders?

splinter65

klaaaz wrote: »

Pro-life marches(where they don't care once the baby is born) have many leaders who are religious fundamentalists(the Sherlocks come to mind), they want the return of the 8th Amendment in order to control women's bodies again. That is forcing their religious ideology on the rest of us. The Trans Pride are not forcing anything on the rest of us, they just want their civil rights which is acceptable in a secular republic.

For the 3rd time, it's fine for them religious fundamentalists to march, they are a tiny minority anyway, let them foam at the mouth during the sermons on their marches.
That must be the 2nd time you called me a bigot for upholding secularism and opposing religious ideology. The vast majority of the population must be bigots in your eyes by now.

You’re absolutely wrong. There was no religious connotations to the pro life march yesterday. There was no foaming at the mouth. Why are you deliberately lying about yesterday’s march? There was marching singing chanting and speeches, there were placards and that’s it.
You will not be allowed to say that there was any religious ideology being forced on anyone yesterday. You can’t just make stuff up to fit your theory.
Pro life people consider that life begins at conception. They want the unborn child to have the same protection as any other human.
You refuse to acknowledge other people’s rights to hold a different view then you, so you pretend that you are somehow being oppressed by religion when no such oppression is taking place.
You can offer no examples of how yesterday’s march oppressed you in any way, never mind religiously.
It’s the same as if I were to say that I felt oppressed by the Trans parade forcing me to accept that men can be women and women can be men.
Unlike you I seem to be able to let the Trans parade pass by without feeling that I am being oppressed by their ideology, and moaning and whining and whinging about it.
Try to get on with your own life and stop trying to control what other people are doing by making up scenarios that don’t exist outside your imagination.
Practice what you preach.
Live and let live.

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What about the non religious people who are pro life? Or can you not wrap your head around the fact that not all pro life people are religious leaders?

People like klaaaz can’t accept that there are independent thinkers who don’t want to join in the current group think about abortion being the only choice.
For every religious pro lifer there is at least one secular. But your not allowed to say that. It’s against the pro abort “rules”.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

What about the non religious people who are pro life? Or can you not wrap your head around the fact that not all pro life people are religious leaders?

if they can find a phonebox somewhere they can hold a meeting.

alan partridge aha

Unlike alot of different marches the pro life March is for a group who can't march for themselves.

ohnonotgmail

splinter65 wrote: »

You’re absolutely wrong. There was no religious connotations to the pro life march yesterday. There was no foaming at the mouth. Why are you deliberately lying about yesterday’s march? There was marching singing chanting and speeches, there were placards and that’s it.
You will not be allowed to say that there was any religious ideology being forced on anyone yesterday. You can’t just make stuff up to fit your theory.
Pro life people consider that life begins at conception. They want the unborn child to have the same protection as any other human.
You refuse to acknowledge other people’s rights to hold a different view then you, so you pretend that you are somehow being oppressed by religion when no such oppression is taking place.
You can offer no examples of how yesterday’s march oppressed you in any way, never mind religiously.
It’s the same as if I were to say that I felt oppressed by the Trans parade forcing me to accept that men can be women and women can be men.
Unlike you I seem to be able to let the Trans parade pass by without feeling that I am being oppressed by their ideology, and moaning and whining and whinging about it.
Try to get on with your own life and stop trying to control what other people are doing by making up scenarios that don’t exist outside your imagination.
Practice what you preach.
Live and let live.

isnt that what pro-life people want to do?

who organised yesterdays march if there was no religious involvement?

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

if they can find a phonebox somewhere they can hold a meeting.

Brilliant. Your humour is matched only by your intellect.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Brilliant. Your humour is matched only by your intellect.

you religious lot are great craic altogether.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

you religious lot are great craic altogether.

I'm agnostic. But hey, carry on being prejudiced. It suits you.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm agnostic. But hey, carry on being prejudiced. It suits you.

i've an issue with anybody who thinks they get to control somebody elses body. i'm funny that way.

riffmongous

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

isnt that what pro-life people want to do?

who organised yesterdays march if there was no religious involvement?

Suspiciously absent from their website

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

i've an issue with anybody who thinks they get to control somebody elses body. i'm funny that way.

I find the issue of abortion somewhat more nuanced than that... I'm funny that way.

lawred2

No religious connotations to pro life marches!?

Wut?

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

I find the issue of abortion somewhat more nuanced than that... I'm funny that way.

It isnt really. I've certainly never seen a nuanced argument against repealing the 8th and there have been plenty of threads on it here where you could have contributed those nuanced arguments. The lack of said contributions tells me all i need to know.

lawred2

lawred2 wrote:

No religious connotations to pro life marches!?

lawred2 wrote:

Wut?

Do you find it hard to understand that not all people who are pro life are religious?

ohnonotgmail

lawred2 wrote: »

No religious connotations to pro life marches!?

Wut?

You mean you didn't see Agnostics for the 8th appearing in all of the debates on repealing the 8th?

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you find it hard to understand that not all people who are pro life are religious?

oh i'm sure there are 1 or 2 but to suggest that the march yesterday was unconnected to religious people is just absolute nonsense.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

It isnt really. I've certainly never seen a nuanced argument against repealing the 8th and there have been plenty of threads on it here where you could have contributed those nuanced arguments. The lack of said contributions tells me all i need to know.

That answer tells me all I need to know about you.

Tell me though, do you think men should be forced to pay for children they don't want if a woman decides to have a baby?

lawred2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you find it hard to understand that not all people who are pro life are religious?

No I find out hard to believe that there were no religious connotations to a pro life march.

Read what I posted.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

oh i'm sure there are 1 or 2 but to suggest that the march yesterday was unconnected to religious people is just absolute nonsense.

Sure. The only people who are against abortion on demand are the ned Flanders of the world. FFS.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

That answer tells me all I need to know about you.

Tell me though, do you think men should be forced to pay for children they don't want if a woman decides to have a baby?

I'm not sure that is the winning argument you think it is.

lawred2

lawred2 wrote:

No I find out hard to believe that there were no religious contains connotations to a pro life march.

I'm sure there was. Doesn't make it a religious centric march.

lawred2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sure. The only people who are against abortion on demand are the ned Flanders of the world. FFS.

That's not what that poster posted either.

lawred2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm sure there was. Doesn't make it a religious centric march.

And where did I make any such statement?

lawred2

lawred2 wrote:

And where did I make any such statement?

My apologies if I read you wrong. I may have misrepresented you and I completely withdraw what I said if I had.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

I'm not sure that is the winning argument you think it is.

It's not an argument. It's a question.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not an argument. It's a question.

try making an actual argument if you can. Or not, it really doesnt matter. You lost, get over it.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm sure there was. Doesn't make it a religious centric march.

So it wasnt predominantly religious people then? who organised the march?

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

try making an actual argument if you can. Or not, it really doesnt matter. You lost, get over it.

I don't want to argue with you.

I stated that abortion is more nuanced than you make it out to be. You said it's not. That is your opinion. I won't argue against that. Your are entitled to your opinion.

I then asked you on your opinion on whether a man should be forced to pay for a child he didn't want. I just wanted to ascertain if your opinion was consistent across different scenarios.

You don't have to answer. I just wanted to know. I won't lose sleep over your hesitancy.

"You lost, get over it"?

What did I lose?

Again, you can make an "argument" if you want. Whatever gets you through the night.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

So it wasnt predominantly religious people then? who organised the march?

Im not sure. I wasn't there myself. I just know that not everyone there was a religious zealot (and more than one or two were actually non religious)

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

"You lost, get over it"?

What did I lose?

you lost the control you had over womens bodies.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

you lost the control you had over womens bodies.

Oh right. I never thought I had control though. Did you feel you were in control of women's bodies? That's a bizarre thought to have.

Are you sure you aren't using glib phrases? Because it's starting to sound like the ramblings of a lunatic.

"Abortion is not a nuanced topic"
"You were in control of women's bodies"

Funny that you never answered my simple question though and instead resorted to telling me that I lost the run of those pesky women who I controlled.

splinter65

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

isnt that what pro-life people want to do?

who organised yesterdays march if there was no religious involvement?

No, pro life people want to protest that life begins at conception and that unborn humans deserve the same protection as born humans.
If you don’t agree with that then that’s your prerogative.
But why do you think the people who do believe it should be prevented from marching.
I don’t believe that a man can become a woman but I have no problem with the trans community marching to protest their position.
Can you not see how that works?
You’ve got yourself into a position now where you are trying to dictate what group gets to protest and march and which don’t, who gets to have an opinion, express it, and who doesn’t.
You seem to be blind to the fact that you are saying that the pro life parade, with no religious show at it, somehow “oppressed” you “religiously” and it shouldn’t be permitted.
That’s ludicrous.

splinter65

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if they can find a phonebox somewhere they can hold a meeting.

Well the crowd that were there on Saturday wouldn’t fit in a phone box.
Also, you don’t get to say who can have a meeting or where they can have it.

splinter65

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

oh i'm sure there are 1 or 2 but to suggest that the march yesterday was unconnected to religious people is just absolute nonsense.

Oh good. I’ll just wait here patiently while you fetch the evidence that Saturday’s parade was religiously organized.
Incidentally on that subject, when did you decide that only agnostics/atheists are allowed to gather for meetings?!?

splinter65

lawred2 wrote: »

No I find out hard to believe that there were no religious connotations to a pro life march.

Read what I posted.

Even If there was religious connotations to any parade anywhere about anything, when did you decide that religious people don’t have the same right to congregate as trans activists or the LGBT community?

lawred2

splinter65 wrote: »

Even If there was religious connotations to any parade anywhere about anything, when did you decide that religious people don’t have the same right to congregate as trans activists or the LGBT community?

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splinter65

lawred2 wrote: »

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lawred2 wrote: »

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Well your main objection to the parade appears to be your allegation that the parade would have had religious backing, even though there was no religious theme to Saturday’s parade and you appear to be irrationally insisting that there was.
Even if there was religious backing, why would that make you think that the parade deserves criticism? Can you not see how hypocritical you’re being?

lawred2

splinter65 wrote: »

Well your main objection to the parade appears to be your allegation that the parade would have had religious backing, even though there was no religious theme to Saturday’s parade and you appear to be irrationally insisting that there was.
Even if there was religious backing, why would that make you think that the parade deserves criticism? Can you not see how hypocritical you’re being?

Are you confusing me with someone else?

ohnonotgmail

splinter65 wrote: »

Well your main objection to the parade appears to be your allegation that the parade would have had religious backing, even though there was no religious theme to Saturday’s parade and you appear to be irrationally insisting that there was.
Even if there was religious backing, why would that make you think that the parade deserves criticism? Can you not see how hypocritical you’re being?

you still haven't told us who organised the march. everything done publicly is open to criticism. what makes you think the march on saturday is immune from that?

rireland

Society is so draining these days. Calls to join marches and movements all the time now - homelessless, evictions, gay, trans, abortion, babies found in Tuam, banks, insurance companies, palestine, syria, trump, brexit, climate change, union strikes.

I'm going to just focus on mine, my families and friends happiness. Might be selfish but **** it. There's just so much whinging and complaining nowadays. You only get one life!

klaaaz

splinter65 wrote: »

Well your main objection to the parade appears to be your allegation that the parade would have had religious backing, even though there was no religious theme to Saturday’s parade and you appear to be irrationally insisting that there was.

In case you missed the lovely pic of the religious symbols and the Vatican flag at the anti-abortion march https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110622646&postcount=71

splinter65

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you still haven't told us who organised the march. everything done publicly is open to criticism. what makes you think the march on saturday is immune from that?

The pro life people organized the march. Who organized the Trans parade?