Doubling of Stockholm murder rate attributed immigration

Eric Cartman

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Have you ever tried having a conversation with anyone in the real world about this? It usually ends up with me being called a racist, Nazi etc. The leftist media has everyone thinking that if you say a bad word about multiculturalism or certain people’s inability to integrate you’re automatically racist/Nazi.

shot themselves in the foot, everyone being labeled a racist for everything these days has made the word lose all power. It means actual full on 'the south will rise again, kill them all' racists can walk down the road head held high knowing that if they get called out as a racist everyone will just think that theyre a republican or own a MAGA hat rather than reserving the title for full blown racists.

meeeeh

Ted Johnson wrote: »

Do not think think it a bad odd that a country that talks so loudy about women's rights will do its best to cover up sexual violence?

Did you most rapes in Sweden are committed by migrants? You can read that on the BBC.

No I didn't know that and I wouldn't find it especially surprising for various reasons but I certainly wouldn't believe Sweden is covering up sexual crimes. Do you have some actual proof for that?

However you claim Sweden is suddenly some sort of third world country yet just about any actual stat disputes that. Immigration certainly brings issues and spikes in crime yet I bet main drive in increase of crime stats are inequality, deprivation and corruption. Immigrant groups are most at risk but as seen in Ireland they far from exclusive.

Ted Johnson

meeeeh wrote: »

No I didn't know that and I wouldn't find it especially surprising for various reasons but I certainly wouldn't believe Sweden is covering up sexual crimes. Do you have some actual proof for that?

However you claim Sweden is suddenly some sort of third world country yet just about any actual stat disputes that. Immigration certainly brings issues and spikes in crime yet I bet main drive in increase of crime stats are inequality, deprivation and corruption. Immigrant groups are most at risk but as seen in Ireland they far from exclusive.

They covered up sex crimes at the We are Sthim music festivals and the government will not release data on the backgrounds of criminals. Do Swedish women not the right to know the effect immigration is having on their country?

What is Sweden getting in return for all this immigration? You think its normal for the police to warn women not to go out after dark because the threat of gang rape is so prevelent? That is South African township levels of depravity.

1123heavy

JohnMc1 wrote: »

I'm not saying we should emulate them, but we should be on the same side as them opposing mass unvetted 3rd immigration of mostly Men of military age.

Where is there mass unvetted immigration taking place? Do you actually know anyone who has tried to go through the process? This is just detached from reality, it really is

meeeeh

Ted Johnson wrote: »

What is Sweden getting in return for all this immigration? You think its normal for the police to warn women not to go out after dark because the threat of gang rape is so prevelent? That is South African township levels of depravity.

The same thing as they were getting in previous century from Yugoslavia or Iraq. Workforce for jobs Swedes aren't prepared to do. As will Germany considering the critical drop in their birth rate. Countries are rarely altruistic for no reason.

Ulysses Gaze

Why does this surprise people?

It's the typical result of Middle Class "Socialist" double-speak.

You invite migrants in and tell them you are going to help them....

Then you throw migrants out into ****hole suburbs with no amenities and throw a few shiny pennies at them, of course they will turn to crime when they are not really supported or helped to integrate.

Had the Middle Class "Socialist" Swedes moved these migrants into their Middle Class suburbs and had the kids of migrants integrate with, go to school with and be friends with their own kids, Sweden may well have been that Multicultural utopia that they harp on about being.

What we see instead is the usual pat yourself on the back, make myself feel really good, hypocrisy of the Western Middle Class "Socialist.

Ulysses Gaze

meeeeh wrote: »

The same thing as they were getting in previous century from Yugoslavia or Iraq. Workforce for jobs Swedes aren't prepared to do. As will Germany considering the critical drop in their birth rate. Countries are rarely altruistic for no reason.

And how is that working out for them?

While unemployment among native Swedes is at 4 percent, the figure for foreign born is more than 15 percent. According to economists the big mismatch between the needs of employers and the skills of job seekers has increased the risk of unemployment turning structural.

Reality for the foreign born, which now make up about 20 percent of the working age population, may also be worse than the official statistics suggest.

“The newly arrived are required to register at the employment service in order to get their welfare benefits,” said Roger Josefsson, chief economist at Macrobond. “After registering they are considered to be part of the labor force.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-02/unemployment-is-haunting-sweden-years-after-the-immigration-boom

meeeeh

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And how is that working out for them?



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-02/unemployment-is-haunting-sweden-years-after-the-immigration-boom

I love selective quoting. From the same article:

Sweden can to a degree thank the immigration boom for the hefty economic growth rates over the past few years, though looking at it per-capita the country is now a laggard. But foreign-born workers have helped fill many jobs, in particular in health and elderly care.

And you can read more recent article on unemployment rate:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwih442IwqPjAhVypHEKHRdcDk8QzPwBegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2019-05-23%2Fswedish-unemployment-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-in-14-months&psig=AOvVaw3D31HKBUrU3I3nzjcIk1B5&ust=1562613236039609

Assetbacked

meeeeh wrote: »

I love selective quoting. From the same article:



And you can read more recent article on unemployment rate:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwih442IwqPjAhVypHEKHRdcDk8QzPwBegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2019-05-23%2Fswedish-unemployment-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-in-14-months&psig=AOvVaw3D31HKBUrU3I3nzjcIk1B5&ust=1562613236039609

Economic growth just means growth in inequality. Economic growth is a cancerous term and is used to convince the ever-suffering working classes that they live in a prosperous society.

Eric Cartman

Assetbacked wrote: »

Economic growth just means growth in inequality. Economic growth is a cancerous term and is used to convince the ever-suffering working classes that they live in a prosperous society.

ehh what ? nothing even close to making sense here.

meeeeh

Right so crime stats are not accurate according to your friends. Economic growth rates and fall in unemployment should be dismissed. What exactly should we judge countries by. Disregard all internationally comparable data and listen to the 'I told you so' wishful thinking of desperate AH crowd.

Atoms for Peace

Who would have thought letting thousands of people of dubious origins who don't share the language, culture or morals of the host country would have been a bad idea.

Ulysses Gaze

meeeeh wrote: »

I love selective quoting. From the same article:



And you can read more recent article on unemployment rate:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwih442IwqPjAhVypHEKHRdcDk8QzPwBegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F2019-05-23%2Fswedish-unemployment-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-in-14-months&psig=AOvVaw3D31HKBUrU3I3nzjcIk1B5&ust=1562613236039609

There is still massive unemployment amongst migrants which means a higher welfare bill overall.

For all your talk of selective quoting, you never addressed that.

4068ac1elhodqr

meeeeh wrote: »

The same thing as they were getting in previous century from Yugoslavia or Iraq. Workforce for jobs Swedes aren't prepared to do. As will Germany considering the critical drop in their birth rate. Countries are rarely altruistic for no reason.

A lazy comparison. This century is very, very different from the last one.
Welcome to the 4th Industrial Reveloution, in an overpopulated world.

Only circa 40% of current jobs today will exist as we head into the mid 2030's.

Sure 'some' new jobs will be created, but they won't be for the uneducated, unskilled and non-fluent, who often choose not to integrate. Young wifes that are discouraged to independently attend university/workplace, will also be disadvantaged.

Diceicle

This thread from what I've read so far reminded me of a Jordan Peterson video that popped up on my timeline - it relates to poverty.
When conversations on immigrant related crime come about, its normally only a matter of time before someone tries to explain away the spike by linking it with poverty.

This isn't accurate as Peterson explains in the short video below - what causes crime is relative poverty (whether someone has nicer things than you) and intertwined with that relative poverty is how wide the gap between rich and poor in in the country is and I would also think how achievable social mobility is.
Which raises the questions - do we need to seriously consider how our immigration is managed, how integration is approached and whether we / the EU should move to a more points based style of immigration, as well as streamlining our asylum racket.

meeeeh

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

There is still massive unemployment amongst migrants which means a higher welfare bill overall.

For all your talk of selective quoting, you never addressed that.

Greater unemployment among people who just arrived into the country isn't surprising and is around the rate Irish was in the recession. Swedish unemployment rate is couple of percent unde EU average and about 1% higher than in Ireland. Sweden has currently a record number of people employed. There are signs Swedish economy is cooling but unemployment is far from critical. Those are your devastating effects of immigration.

Diceicle

meeeeh wrote: »

No I didn't know that and I wouldn't find it especially surprising for various reasons but I certainly wouldn't believe Sweden is covering up sexual crimes. Do you have some actual proof for that?

However you claim Sweden is suddenly some sort of third world country yet just about any actual stat disputes that. Immigration certainly brings issues and spikes in crime yet I bet main drive in increase of crime stats are inequality, deprivation and corruption. Immigrant groups are most at risk but as seen in Ireland they far from exclusive.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/11/swedish-police-accused-cover-up-sex-attacks-refugees-festival

4068ac1elhodqr

meeeeh wrote: »

Greater unemployment among people who just arrived into the country isn't surprising and is around the rate Irish was in the recession. Swedish unemployment rate is couple of percent unde EU average and about 1% higher than in Ireland. Sweden has currently a record number of people employed. There are signs Swedish economy is cooling but unemployment is far from critical. Those are your devastating effects of immigration.

“Sweden stands out,” said Robert Bergqvist, chief economist at lender SEB AB “If you look at unemployment, the curve in Sweden has actually pointed upward, while in many other comparable countries it is falling to levels we haven’t seen in maybe 40 or 50 years.”

Its government finances are vulnerable to growing unemployment given its generous benefit system.

InTheShadows

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

Sweden was the last place I would have expected to turn out like this. Such a shame.

Was a beautiful country a long time ago and i'm sure some parts still are but this is what happens when you place large amounts of people from a culture that isn't compatible with that of your own in the major cities. It will happen here eventually also (the signs are already there) but of course Varadkar and Co. will be well insulated from it.

Still if you oppose open borders you are branded a racist

Blueshoe

Diceicle wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/11/swedish-police-accused-cover-up-sex-attacks-refugees-festival

If even the guardian (liberal ass rag) is reporting on it then you know it's bad

Timberrrrrrrr

InTheShadows wrote: »

Was a beautiful country a long time ago and i'm sure some parts still are but this is what happens when you place large amounts of people from a culture that isn't compatible with that of your own in the major cities. It will happen here eventually also (the signs are already there) but of course Varadkar and Co. will be well insulated from it.

Still if you oppose open borders you are branded a racist

No such thing exists and yet here you are still using this idiotic term :rolleyes:

InTheShadows

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No such thing exists and yet here you are still using this idiotic term :rolleyes:

You must have missed the 2 million odd people who made their way to Europe from the middle east over a very small time period. That's the official figures btw i'd say it's at least twice that and that's not even mentioning Africa. That's because of open borders.

Also why do lefties and liberals like yourself always resort to insulting other peoples opinions with terms like idiotic?

Timberrrrrrrr

InTheShadows wrote: »

You must have missed the 2 million odd people who made their way to Europe from the middle east over a very small time period. That's the official figures btw and not even mentioning Africa. That's because of open borders.

Also why do lefties and liberals like yourself always resort to insulting other peoples opinions with terms like idiotic?

:rolleyes:

Stephen15

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No such thing exists and yet here you are still using this idiotic term :rolleyes:

Nonsense look at the millions of migrants Merkel let in a couple of years ago.

seasidedub

In Finland they openly report the ethnicity, nationality and background of convicted criminals. So for example a person might be reported as a second generation Somali finnush citizen or as a recent migrant from Russia etc.

In the last 20 years, statistically more crimes, particularly serious ones are committed by non-finns. *per capita).

This might explain why Finland has been more reluctant than Sweden to take large numbers of migrants. They've also seen what's happened to Sweden and taken a pass.......

InTheShadows

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

:rolleyes:

No answer so. Okay

Ted Johnson

meeeeh wrote: »

The same thing as they were getting in previous century from Yugoslavia or Iraq. Workforce for jobs Swedes aren't prepared to do. As will Germany considering the critical drop in their birth rate. Countries are rarely altruistic for no reason.

Ah yes the mythical 'jobs the natives won't do'. What are these jobs exactly?

And earlier you said the migrants only misbehave due to poverty and discrimination, and yet surely they all have jobs?

Strazdas

45 gangland shootings in a population of 10 million people is still an extremely low murder rate. Let's have some perspective here.

4068ac1elhodqr

meeeeh wrote: »

Swedish unemployment rate is couple of percent unde EU average and about 1% higher than in Ireland. Sweden has currently a record number of people employed.

Either purposeful, deliberate 'fake news', or your figures have been plucked from the air like magic rainbows.

May 2019 Sweden UR is 6.80%, Ireland is 4.5%. So your 'about 1%' is actually 2.3%.

And EU average is 7.5% (May '19), so again your '2% under', is in reality 0.7%.
Let's hope your not an independent fiscal advisor, promising 'bountiful ROI' % figures.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why does this surprise people?

It's the typical result of Middle Class "Socialist" double-speak.

You invite migrants in and tell them you are going to help them....

Then you throw migrants out into ****hole suburbs with no amenities and throw a few shiny pennies at them, of course they will turn to crime when they are not really supported or helped to integrate.

Had the Middle Class "Socialist" Swedes moved these migrants into their Middle Class suburbs and had the kids of migrants integrate with, go to school with and be friends with their own kids, Sweden may well have been that Multicultural utopia that they harp on about being.

What we see instead is the usual pat yourself on the back, make myself feel really good, hypocrisy of the Western Middle Class "Socialist.

Yeah they must be raping women in high numbers just to survive...

You do know it's not handbag theft yeah? It's rapes and murders.