Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

James Brown

Treppen wrote: »

Forget about Epstein, he's the scapegoat.

Seems he was a pimp for other child abusers.

Cheerful Spring2

A woman who claims she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew when she was 17 has said he "knows what he's done" and "I hope he comes clean about it".

Virginia Roberts Giuffre was speaking outside a court in New York after more than 20 women who claim to have been sexually abused by late US financier Jeffrey Epstein - a friend of the duke - vented their anger during a hearing.

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-knows-what-hes-done-says-epstein-sex-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-11795666

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49486590

Treppen

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I don't know what that means. How should we forget about Epstein when he is the subject of this discussion?

The subject of this discussion is dead so everything dies with him. The story has gone away.

Where did he get his money and property with one client.
Why did influential people .... many very influential people.... still associate with him even after his known paedophillia?

Also " The Epstein Associate Nobody's Talking About: The IDF-Linked Bond Girl Infiltrating the UK NHS "
One of the 'foreign state' companies associated with her wanted to be an intermediary when you call emergency services.

Was it all really only about underage minors and rich people.

Cheerful Spring2

Epstein killed himself, bull****. Two cameras malfunctioned is not a coincidence, that's deliberate.

More news coming out now.

(Reuters) - Two cameras that malfunctioned outside the jail cell where financier Jeffrey Epstein died as he awaited trial on sex-trafficking charges have been sent to an FBI crime lab for examination, a law enforcement source told Reuters.

Epstein’s lawyers Reid Weingarten and Martin Weinberg told U.S. District Judge Richard Berman in Manhattan on Tuesday they had doubts about the New York City chief medical examiner’s conclusion that their client killed himself.

The two cameras were within view of the Manhattan jail cell where he was found dead on Aug. 10. A source earlier told Reuters two jail guards failed to follow a procedure overnight to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-jeffrey-epstein-cameras-idUSKCN1VI2LC?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter

BorneTobyWilde

It's like we can predict the future, we all said it, that when it comes to it the camera's will have been not working, and wouldn't you know it. I'm shocked, oh wait, not I'm not, we knew this would be the convenient case

Cheerful Spring2

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's like we can predict the future, we all said it, that when it comes to it the camera's will have been not working, and wouldn't you know it. I'm shocked, oh wait, not I'm not, we knew this would be the convenient case

The evidence was there all the time he was taken out. Shame the authorities are afraid to tell us how it is. Suicide needs to be forgot and a murder investigation needs to be opened. Whoever ordered the hit is high up in the food chain. This is a maxium security jail and only powerful people could have got at Epstein.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd9Gbh-u-VM

Treppen

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The evidence was there all the time he was taken out. Shame the authorities are afraid to tell us how it is. Suicide needs to be forgot and a murder investigation needs to be opened. Whoever ordered the hit is high up in the food chain. This is a maxium security jail and only powerful people could have got at Epstein.

That's a lot of people.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

The way this is going to be dealt with is silence. I mean the coroners report hasn’t been fully released has it?

Hobosan

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

The way this is going to be dealt with is silence. I mean the coroners report hasn’t been fully released has it?

So remember that time a while back when I was incredulous of your optimistic belief that the FBI would put Epstein away.

And you cited my lack of understanding of the US justice system to both justify your beliefs and rubbish my own.

I hope you can understand my incredulity now.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Hobosan wrote: »

So remember that time a while back when I was incredulous of your optimistic belief that the FBI would put Epstein away.

And you cited my lack of understanding of the US justice system to both justify your beliefs and rubbish my own.

I hope you can understand my incredulity now.

I merely said that the FBI isn’t one monolithic organisation. But yes I am cynical about any investigation here.

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Saige Putrid Rainfall wrote: »

{10-08-2019, 18:52}
Guaranteed the cameras will have malfunctioned.

This (with about 20thanks from 20days ago) prediciton was as correct as clockwork.

Two cameras 'malfunctioned' outside the cell, oh what a curious coincidence indeed.

Mangofrozo

Interesting article in the Irish Times about how a ring of women helped him recruit teenage girls.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/how-a-ring-of-women-allegedly-recruited-girls-for-jeffrey-epstein-1.4002409

James Brown

Mangofrozo wrote: »

Interesting article in the Irish Times about how a ring of women helped him recruit teenage girls.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/how-a-ring-of-women-allegedly-recruited-girls-for-jeffrey-epstein-1.4002409

That's how pimps operate.

Mangofrozo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's how pimps operate.

Yea the women were pimps essentially.

James Brown

Mangofrozo wrote: »

Yea the women were pumps essentially.

Pimps get their women to recruit. It's how they operate. In this case children.

Cheerful Spring2

Nolan Savory Warden wrote: »

This (with about 20thanks from 20days ago) prediciton was as correct as clockwork.

Two cameras 'malfunctioned' outside the cell, oh what a curious coincidence indeed.

I think people are getting a taste now how the world works in reality. Conspiracy theorists were saying these kind of things happen, yet would be dismissed for bringing it up

Now you seeing it unfold a high profile prisoner murdered in a high security prison. And authorities still claiming it was a suicide.

Cameras pointing at Epstein cell now broken and out of action. There comes a point you just have to wake up and stop believing the official government narrative about events.

Cheerful Spring2

Hobosan wrote: »

So remember that time a while back when I was incredulous of your optimistic belief that the FBI would put Epstein away.

And you cited my lack of understanding of the US justice system to both justify your beliefs and rubbish my own.

I hope you can understand my incredulity now.

FBI is not one massive unit working together in harmony. Often politicial decisions are made to stop a line of enquiry and then the lower tier workforce of the FBI are left with no other option but to cease all investigations. The only way they can voice their displeasure is to come out as a whistleblower. It shows a lack of understanding by people believing the FBI will always reveal the truth. Epstein case probably will never be fully investigated. It most likely we be only discussed on Conspiracy forums, years from now.

Mangofrozo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Pimps get their women to recruit. It's how they operate. In this case children.

By the sounds of it the women were perfectly happy to do the recruiting, they knew exactly what they were doing, for their own self interest. Believe it or not women can also be the perpetrators, not just victims.

ceadaoin.

Mangofrozo wrote: »

By the sounds of it the women were perfectly happy to do the recruiting, they knew exactly what they were doing, for their own self interest. Believe it or not women can also be the perpetrators, not just victims.

Many of them will have been groomed to do this from when they were teenagers. Its how it works. It's a win win for the ringleaders - a constant supply of new victims and also previous victims now involved so that they will be less likely to spill the beans given that they will also be implicated.

Tony EH

^
What's Ghislaine Maxwell's excuse then?

James Brown

Mangofrozo wrote: »

By the sounds of it the women were perfectly happy to do the recruiting, they knew exactly what they were doing, for their own self interest. Believe it or not women can also be the perpetrators, not just victims.

I was wondering where you were going. Yes some children make bad decisions after being groomed by a pedophile.
In this case it seems to be children so I'm not sure how strong the case would be from that angle any way. As for any women involved, if they lured teens in they should be charged too obviously. Takes nothing away from Epstein's culpability.
It's not women versus men is it?

Mangofrozo

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Many of them will have been groomed to do this from when they were teenagers. Its how it works. It's a win win for the ringleaders - a constant supply of new victims and also previous victims now involved so that they will be less likely to spill the beans given that they will also be implicated.

And sometimes women are perfectly happy to exploit other women and need no "grooming".

And sometimes the ones being "lured" are perfectly happy with the arrangement, they don't see it as a big deal to be well compensated in exchange for sexual favours.

James Brown

Mangofrozo wrote: »

And sometimes women are perfectly happy to exploit other women and need no "grooming".

And sometimes the ones being "lured" are perfectly happy with the arrangement, they don't see it as a big deal to be well compensated in exchange for sexual favours.

And children say the darndest things. We're talking about children.

Mangofrozo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

And children say the darndest things. We're talking about children.

I'm talking about 16 year olds and up.

batgoat

Mangofrozo wrote: »

I'm talking about 16 year olds and up.

Some of the victims were as young as 8 years of age..

Mangofrozo

batgoat wrote: »

Some of the victims were as young as 8 years of age..

I'm not talking about them, as I pointed out above.

People don't have a hive mind. Some people are groomed, others enter into an arrangement that suits them of their own free will and some people act as the the "pimp" of their own free will and deserve the full punishment of the law.

hetuzozaho

Mangofrozo wrote: »

I'm not talking about them, as I pointed out above.

Are you talking about a girl in particular?

James Brown

Mangofrozo wrote: »

I'm not talking about them, as I pointed out above.

People don't have a hive mind. Some people are groomed, others enter into an arrangement that suits them of their own free will and some people act as the the "pimp" of their own free will and deserve the full punishment of the law.

Anyone who lured or groomed children deserves to feel the full weight of the law. Is anyone saying otherwise? Are you trying to wedge in victim blaming? There will be people who get lured in young and continued in the life, that's what happens in prostitution. The older ones bring in younger ones. Epstein trafficked in children.

Mangofrozo

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Are you talking about a girl in particular?

No

Mangofrozo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Anyone who lured or groomed children deserves to feel the full weight of the law. Is anyone saying otherwise? Are you trying to wedge in victim blaming? There will be people who get lured in young and continued in the life, that's what happens in prostitution. The older ones bring in younger ones. Epstein trafficked in children.

There seems to be some people who think the women who groomed girls don't deserve the full punishment of the law.

James Brown

Mangofrozo wrote: »

There seems to be some people who think the women who groomed girls don't deserve the full punishment of the law.

Fair enough. I've not seen that.

Mangofrozo

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Many of them will have been groomed to do this from when they were teenagers. Its how it works. It's a win win for the ringleaders - a constant supply of new victims and also previous victims now involved so that they will be less likely to spill the beans given that they will also be implicated.

Exhibit A

It's amazing to witness how an ideology can infect a person's outlook.

"Women are always the victims, men are always the perpetrators".

James Brown

Mangofrozo wrote: »

Exhibit A

It's amazing to witness how an ideology can infect a person's outlook.

"Women are always the victims, men are always the perpetrators".

Seems more like explaining how it happens than saying any adults shouldn't face charges.

Mangofrozo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Seems more like explaining how it happens than saying any adults shouldn't face charges.

It's an assumption that the women acting as pimps for Epstein were under some form of sinister coercion, there is no evidence whatsoever that that is the case.

Cheerful Spring2

Tony EH wrote: »

^
What's Ghislaine Maxwell's excuse then?

Insane, she not arrested. What's the excuse there?

Eric Cartman

Mangofrozo wrote: »

It's an assumption that the women acting as pimps for Epstein were under some form of sinister coercion, there is no evidence whatsoever that that is the case.

its always time and time again, especially where sex crimes are a thing, any woman involved couldnt possibly be a co-conspirator and is definitely doing under force from some evil man....

batgoat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its always time and time again, especially where sex crimes are a thing, any woman involved couldnt possibly be a co-conspirator and is definitely doing under force from some evil man....

Eh, it's pretty accepted that Maxwell was a co-conspirator. It's speculation to start blaming the victims.

ceadaoin.

Tony EH wrote: »

^
What's Ghislaine Maxwell's excuse then?

I was referring to the people mentioned who were originally victims and who went on exploit others. Maxwell should be arrested and I dont understand why she hasn't been

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its always time and time again, especially where sex crimes are a thing, any woman involved couldnt possibly be a co-conspirator and is definitely doing under force from some evil man....

Yeah but that's not what I said is it? I said "many" were groomed into recruiting others, and it's true. The same thing happened with the grooming gangs in the UK. That's not excusing them from any blame but explaining how they came to be involved.

MadYaker

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its always time and time again, especially where sex crimes are a thing, any woman involved couldnt possibly be a co-conspirator and is definitely doing under force from some evil man....

Did you read about this case? We’re talking about underage girls here not women, some as young as 13. I know some trump supporters think that if he paid them it’s fine, like the other trump supporter trying to belittle his crimes earlier in the thread. But thankfully most people don’t think that way. It’s sex trafficking and statutory rape at the very least.

MadYaker

Mangofrozo wrote: »

And sometimes women are perfectly happy to exploit other women and need no "grooming".

And sometimes the ones being "lured" are perfectly happy with the arrangement, they don't see it as a big deal to be well compensated in exchange for sexual favours.

That’s pure speculation on your part.

Eric Cartman

MadYaker wrote: »

Did you read about this case? We’re talking about underage girls here not women, some as young as 13. I know some trump supporters think that if he paid them it’s fine, like the other trump supporter trying to belittle his crimes earlier in the thread. But thankfully most people don’t think that way. It’s sex trafficking and statutory rape at the very least.

1) Not a trump supporter
2) Trump has nothing to do with Epstein crimes
3) My point was that 'coerced' or what ever kind of shoddy defence they want to use, if there were adult women luering underage girls to epstein and his sick mates, that woman should face the full force of the law for that.

BorneTobyWilde

Eric Cartman wrote: »

1) Not a trump supporter
2) Trump has nothing to do with Epstein crimes
3) My point was that 'coerced' or what ever kind of shoddy defence they want to use, if there were adult women luering underage girls to epstein and his sick mates, that woman should face the full force of the law for that.

Though some of those adult women were the underage girls once. They entered his world at 14-17, were used, and they used again to attract others.

Tony EH

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Insane, she not arrested. What's the excuse there?

They can't arrest her. She's a British citizen living in Britain. She would have to be extradited and Britain isn't going to do that on what is flimsy evidence at the moment. There would have to be a rock solid case in place first and even then, it would be hard to get an extradition in order. Besides, if the heat gets too much, she'll just skip the country. She's so wealthy, she doesn't even have to care about this too much.

Cheerful Spring2

Tony EH wrote: »

They can't arrest her. She's a British citizen living in Britain. She would have to be extradited and Britain isn't going to do that on what is flimsy evidence at the moment. There would have to be a rock solid case in place first and even then, it would be hard to get an extradition in order. Besides, if the heat gets too much, she'll just skip the country. She's so wealthy, she doesn't even have to care about this too much.

Thought she was spotted in Boston living with some wealthy guy? There was pictures provided by the daily mail. Then pictures were released showing her eating out at burger place. Those pictures seemly are now fakes and are photoshopped, if things aren't bizarre already.

Metabunk did an analysis and some of the discoveries are weird.Someone put lot of effort in to place here there
https://www.metabunk.org/edited-photo-of-ghislaine-maxwell-at-in-n-out.t10870/

Where the evidence she returned to the UK? Most of the girls claimed she was involved, and don't see how she can be allowed to get away with it. Everyone knows the evidence is not filmsy, everywhere Epstein went she was there by his side. She clearly is his manager and knew about his activities and did stop him. She guilty and she needs to be arrested.

Tony EH

It doesn't matter where she is really. She could be in Israel for all we know. However, until there's a solid case for HER to answer, nothing will happen. Nobody is going to put any action into effect until that's built in its entirety.

The bottom line is there has to be a reason for law enforcement in the States to pursue her. There has to be rock solid evidence that supports the allegations and hearsay, the latter of which are just not good enough for the law enforcement of any country to go after, essentially, a foreign citizen - although I am unsure if she took out US citizenship after she moved there. It really is as simple as that. Law enforcement's hands are continually tied in such respects.

You have to have something absolutely watertight, otherwise you don't make a move. That's the reason you have known criminals walking around with a string of suspicions listed against their names, who have to make continuous errors before they get finally get put away.

If you think it's frustrating, imagine how cops must feel.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1KUY0YrL8

The Connections of Jeffrey Epstein.

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Pa ElGrande

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkR8c5ybZDM

Overheal

Forensic pathologist has shared Epstein X-ray showing 3 suspicious fractures on the neck that are not consistent with suicide but with homicide.



“This usually does not happen in suicidal hangings because the ligature goes up under the mandible–the jaw bone–which is a tough bone,” he said. “It doesn’t fracture. In manual strangulation–or ligature strangulation–fractures can occur.”

“Those three fractures are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation. I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case.”

And this pathologist has solid credentials.

“ The celebrated pathologist first rose to national prominence when he served as chair of the House Select Committee on Assassinations’ Forensic Pathology Panel which reviewed the Warren Commission‘s autopsy findings viz. the death of former president John F. Kennedy.”

https://lawandcrime.com/exclusive/exclusive-never-before-seen-autopsy-photo-of-jeffrey-epsteins-broken-bones-released/