Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

Irishman80

Her (Virginia Giuffre) deposition is a devastating read - I just finished it. She suffered a life of abuse from when she was a young girl. She comes across as extremely sincere.

On many topics, she gives information which could easily be corroborated through documentation if journalists/lawyers/prosecutors were really bothered at that time.

FBI clearly failed her. She talks about how certain agents tried to reopen the case but were shot down from above.

Irishman80

Not sure if this has been posted here before:

Virginia had a difficult childhood. She first met Maxwell at Mar el Lago in 2000. Her dad worked there as a maintenance manager and got her a Summer job. She was only working there for 2-3 weeks when she was sex-trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell.

She was working as a locker room attendant and wanted to become a Masseuse. One day, she was reading a book on Massage Therapy outside when she was approached Maxwell. They had a conversation which led to a job offer and training to become a "Masseuse" for Epstein.

She was 17 years old. She had already been sexually abused in her life (before age 11 also), run away from home many times, attended many different schools, had been shipped away from family in Florida to California, been dumped at some type of Foster care home, amongst other things...

ceadaoin.

Irishman80 wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted here before:

Virginia had a difficult childhood. She first met Maxwell at Mar el Lago in 2000. Her dad worked there as a maintenance manager and got her a Summer job. She was only working there for 2-3 weeks when she was sex-trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell.

She was working as a locker room attendant and wanted to become a Masseuse. One day, she was reading a book on Massage Therapy outside when she was approached Maxwell. They had a conversation which led to a job offer and training to become a "Masseuse" for Epstein.

She was 17 years old. She had already been sexually abused in her life (before age 11 also), run away from home many times, attended many different schools, had been shipped away from family in Florida to California, been dumped at some type of Foster care home, amongst other things...

Did you watch the Netflix documentary? A lot of the girls had troubled home lives and a history of abuse and running away. Most of them probably. Seems they had a kind of a radar for who was vulnerable, like lots of other abusers I guess

LawBoy2018

Not to be one of those people, but why haven't the Irish MSM reported anything about the recent revelations re Bill Clinton, corroborating his relationship and past activities with Epstein? The only Irish article I could find was published by the Sun:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5730049/bill-clinton-jeffrey-epstein-young-girls/

Am I missing something here? Is it old news?

Silentcorner

Nah It didn't implicate Donald Trump so.....

I'd imagine, there is a sizeable population of men and women in LA getting a little more and more uncomfortable until someone commits suicide anyway!

Do you see that tweet from Ricky Gervais last night..."oh ya, Hollywood, stop f##king kids"!

Man with broke phone

All the leftys tend to be wife beaters or sexual deviants or embezzelers. They start off promising social justice for all then start molesting your kids.

BorneTobyWilde

It's how Epstein got so wealthy, surrounded himself with young models and then used those models to gain leverage over very powerful people.
Maxwell was as bad, she was the one rimming those models pool side on his private island according to witnesses who worked there.
She knows all his secrets, and I hope it comes out! Andrew for one needs to be unmasked if he's involved.

Happy4all

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's how Epstein got so wealthy, surrounded himself with young models and then used those models to gain leverage over very powerful people.
Maxwell was as bad, she was the one rimming those models pool side on his private island according to witnesses who worked there.
She knows all his secrets, and I hope it comes out! Andrew for one needs to be unmasked if he's involved.

suspect MAxwell will cop a deal with a short sentence in return for silence or accidently die in prison.

Man with broke phone

Id say Andrew will be used as the patsy the people demand but alot of lads in the herd will go unchecked.

They wont even have their names mentioned.

joeguevara

The irfu sacked paddy Jackson after being found not guilty two days before Clinton and Mitchell received freedom of Belfast honour. Both now embroiled in Epstein scandal.

Galwayguy35

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's how Epstein got so wealthy, surrounded himself with young models and then used those models to gain leverage over very powerful people.
Maxwell was as bad, she was the one rimming those models pool side on his private island according to witnesses who worked there.
She knows all his secrets, and I hope it comes out! Andrew for one needs to be unmasked if he's involved.

He was a pure rig in his younger years so he might be starting to sweat a bit now if it all comes out in the wash.

Doubt he will ever see the inside of a courtroom though, oul Lizzie would never allow it.

Galwayguy35

The media is very selective about what they report, Trump was rightly called out about his association with Epstein but Clinton seems to get a free pass.

Junkyard Tom

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

why haven't the Irish MSM reported anything about the recent revelations re Bill Clinton

Because it's US news, not Irish news, and anyone with half-a-brain knows that there's not a lot of difference between the Democrats and Republicans. Corruption and degeneracy is an issue with people in powerful positions regardless of whose interests they work in.

The US culture war is increasingly poisoning the rest of the online Anglosphere too.

Beasty

Threads merged

Happy4all

joeguevara wrote: »

The irfu sacked paddy Jackson after being found not guilty two days before Clinton and Mitchell received freedom of Belfast honour. Both now embroiled in Epstein scandal.

I am not an apologist for Clinton or Mitchell, but I'm not using it as an excuse to excuse the behaviour of Jackson that night.

Former Former

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Not to be one of those people, but why haven't the Irish MSM reported anything about the recent revelations re Bill Clinton, corroborating his relationship and past activities with Epstein? The only Irish article I could find was published by the Sun:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5730049/bill-clinton-jeffrey-epstein-young-girls/

Am I missing something here? Is it old news?

There's no story though. There's no suggestion from anyone that Clinton did anything wrong.

joeguevara

Happy4all wrote: »

I am not an apologist for Clinton or Mitchell, but I'm not using it as an excuse to excuse the behaviour of Jackson that night.

The not guilty behaviour?

BorneTobyWilde

So even now, she is getting a deal from the powers that be, say nothing, don't land us in it, and you'll be out in 2 years. What a world, and the rookie attorneys and cops have to toe the line, or else they'll have to say goodbye to their careers ?

So even now, all these paedos are controlling the situation?

Happy4all

joeguevara wrote: »

The not guilty behaviour?

OJ Simpson was found not guilty, but I am entitled to have a different opinion.

If my son behaved how Jackson did as stated that night with a drunk women, I would be ashamed.

joeguevara

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So even now, she is getting a deal from the powers that be, say nothing, don't land us in it, and you'll be out in 2 years. What a world, and the rookie attorneys and cops have to toe the line, or else they'll have to say goodbye to their careers ?

So even now, all these paedos are controlling the situation?

Is there a deal? All I have seen is an unverified’pal’ claiming there will be a deal. Apologies if I missed it.

Man with broke phone

Happy4all wrote: »

OJ Simpson was found not guilty, but I am entitled to have a different opinion.

If my son behaved how Jackson did as stated that night with a drunk women, I would be ashamed.

Are you saying you reject the justice system and we would all be better served if you just read a newspaper summary of the case and decided if the person is guilty on a daily basis depending on whether the 6 o clock news played goody or baddy music when they walked out of court?

Do you think our education system could do with fixing aswell?

ohnonotgmail

joeguevara wrote: »

Is there a deal? All I have seen is an unverified’pal’ claiming there will be a deal. Apologies if I missed it.

there was some woman claiming to be a friend of maxwells that was selling stories. turned out she was a complete fantasist.

joeguevara

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there was some woman claiming to be a friend of maxwells that was selling stories. turned out she was a complete fantasist.

Thought so. No sweetheart deal here without a full list.

Treppen

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Are you saying you reject the justice system and we would all be better served if you just read a newspaper summary of the case and decided if the person is guilty on a daily basis depending on whether the 6 o clock news played goody or baddy music when they walked out of court?

Do you think our education system could do with fixing aswell?

Jesus you've actually managed to bring your teacher bashing fetish into a thread about Epstein ! :pac: :pac: :pac:

everlast75

Yesterday, an interview aired with DT, the reporter being jonathan swan.

In it, Trump triples down on wishing Gislane Maxwell well, but also says (twice) that Epstein was perhaps murdered.

That's the current POTUS suggesting that on his own AG's watch, a prolific paedophile was murdered.

Not even a headline.

Muahahaha

Former Formula 1 driver Eddie Irvine has said he saw Virginia at Epsteins parties in New York and Miami

EDDIE Irvine has spoken for the first time about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, declaring: "If the charges are true, it ain't good."

The former Formula 1 driver admitted he partied with the paedophile financier and his alleged fixer in New York and Miami.

Speaking exclusively to Sunday Life, he also told how he saw the pair surrounded by models and beautiful girls, including Virginia Giuffre, who claims the pair forced her to have sex with Prince Andrew.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/formula-1-legend-eddie-irvine-partied-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-ghislaine-maxwell-in-new-york-and-miami-39396969.html

batman75

I have a feeling that Ghislaine Maxwell may well be afforded immunity from prosecution under the agreement reached with Jeffrey Epstein by prosecutors years ago. If she is guilty of what she is accused of she is hideous and so was Epstein.

Once Prince Andrew became aware that Epstein had been prospected for sex trafficking and or sex with a minor he should have cut all ties and communication with Epstein. His interview is chilling for his lack of empathy for the girls Epstein violated. It serves him right that his chronic lack of judgment haunted him again when he agreed to do the interview with the BBC. His lack of self awareness borders on the comical. He apparently thought it went well. Instead he flushed his reputation (whatever it amounted to) right down the toilet. How must his daughters have felt watching their dad defend his friendship with a serial sexual abuser.

If Maxwell is not afforded immunity then I expect Prince Andrew won't be the last famous casualty of this whole sick situation.

Treppen

Muahahaha wrote: »

Former Formula 1 driver Eddie Irvine has said he saw Virginia at Epsteins parties in New York and Miami


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/formula-1-legend-eddie-irvine-partied-with-jeffrey-epstein-and-ghislaine-maxwell-in-new-york-and-miami-39396969.html

Weird, the formula 1 guy was probably seeing models falling over each other every other day of the week, every part of the world he went, and then more models at Epstein's house + 'party girls' ... But yet he recalls seeing this particular one from years ago.

2u2me

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Because it's US news, not Irish news, and anyone with half-a-brain knows that there's not a lot of difference between the Democrats and Republicans. Corruption and degeneracy is an issue with people in powerful positions regardless of whose interests they work in.

The US culture war is increasingly poisoning the rest of the online Anglosphere too.

The war was started and perpetuated by the wokes. It started with Gamergate(which was a reaction to an industry that called it's customers sexist)

So in fact it had its origins online in the first place. Then it moved to the US the same way it moved into gamer magazines, through humanities courses(Grievance studies). Colleges and universities started spewing out activists that became the journalists.

I wish I was as naive as you to think we are immune in places other than online.

Everyone seems genuinely on the side of the conspiracies, if you're a dem Trump is involved, if you're a republican Clinton is involved; it's mad to think how mainstream conspiracy theories are these days.

This story has much more of a bearing on the US elections than the culture war, neither side seemingly happy to piss off Ghislaine, as she could easily implicate whoever she likes. Whoever wins can then pardon her for her good service.

Tony EH

Treppen wrote: »

Weird, the formula 1 guy was probably seeing models falling over each other every other day of the week, every part of the world he went, and then more models at Epstein's house + 'party girls' ... But yet he recalls seeing this particular one from years ago.

Yeh, there's something highly suspicious about that titbit of info.

I'd buy it if Virginia Giuffre was a stunner that you wouldn't forget. But she isn't, and I find it very difficult to believe that she'd bury her memory into anyone's brain at a party.

ohnonotgmail

Tony EH wrote: »

Yeh, there's something highly suspicious about that titbit of info.

I'd buy it if Virginia Giuffre was a stunner that you wouldn't forget. But she isn't, and I find it very difficult to believe that she'd bury her memory into anyone's brain at a party.

I think he is trying to get out ahead of something.

Tony EH

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think he is trying to get out ahead of something.

It certainly looks that way.

Wibbs

Tony EH wrote: »

Yeh, there's something highly suspicious about that titbit of info.

I'd buy it if Virginia Giuffre was a stunner that you wouldn't forget. But she isn't, and I find it very difficult to believe that she'd bury her memory into anyone's brain at a party.

Sounds about right, though there can be a big difference between "beautiful" and "hot". She may well have stood out among the rentamodel crowd he was used to.

Muahahaha

Tony EH wrote: »

Yeh, there's something highly suspicious about that titbit of info.

I'd buy it if Virginia Giuffre was a stunner that you wouldn't forget. But she isn't, and I find it very difficult to believe that she'd bury her memory into anyone's brain at a party.

yeah it is a bit suss that he would remember her, I think the period in question would be around about 1995-99 so its a long while back. At a party full of models he somehow remembers her. Only way I could see that happening is maybe if she was always by Epsteins/Maxwells side and he was chatting to them and was introduced. He could have been offered her by Epstein. He said he partied with Epstein in both New York and Miami so Id take from that it wasnt just one or two parties, likely a more regular thing. Irvine owns a few properties in Miami so Id presume he is well in with the party set there.

He definitely liked his fast women back in the day, still does in fact. I remember seeing a documentary on him from around 1999 when he was at Ferrari and he was flying his helicopter with some supermodel in the passenger seat and he landed it in a field next to his parents house in northern Ireland. Then in the same doc it shows him riding a moped to the racetrack on race day in Monza and along the journey he was chatting up two hot Italian girls also on a moped and inviting the two of them to his post race party. He definitely deserved the playboy image

fergiesfolly

Tony EH wrote: »

Yeh, there's something highly suspicious about that titbit of info.

I'd buy it if Virginia Giuffre was a stunner that you wouldn't forget. But she isn't, and I find it very difficult to believe that she'd bury her memory into anyone's brain at a party.

Maybe it's who she was with rather than Miss Giuffre herself, that caught Eddie's eye.

Tony EH

Maybe she was with Eddie.

yourdeadwright

Tony EH wrote: »

Yeh, there's something highly suspicious about that titbit of info.

I'd buy it if Virginia Giuffre was a stunner that you wouldn't forget. But she isn't, and I find it very difficult to believe that she'd bury her memory into anyone's brain at a party.

Isn't it possible he remembers her because she wasn't stunning ? and she didn't fit in with the rest of the crowd

Its possible he could have thought there was something odd about her relationship with Epstein , we just don't know ,

IAMAMORON

A few things spring to mind. What was Ghislaine Maxwell doing living in New Hampshire if she was aware that there was an active FBI investigation? Surely it would be far safer to hang out in Canada or Europe? That is my first head scratcher.

The other thing really bugging me are the amount of sworn affidavit's and depositions floating around, some of them meaningless. Virginia Roberts name was not even mentioned in a claim made by the Miami Herald ( what a quality rag) in 2015. This is hardly gold dust in the grand scheme of things. The FBI have had access to this deposition for 5 years and done diddly squat. Shock horror like.

The rest is just a host of affidavits from women claiming such and such from 2006. It has taken them decades of hardship to pluck up the courage to throw a few stones at Maxwell, it does not sit comfortably with me at all. Jane Doe, Priscilla Doe. WTF like? Jane Doe is accusing them from an incident in 1994? Really? How many people can remember crap they got up to 26 years ago with any genuine recollection? Honest question btw? How come this particular accusation never came to light when Epstein was originally indicted?

I am actually rooting for Maxwell on this one. I mean the concept that a legal system can incarcerate someone based on affidavits from individuals about alleged crimes which occurred decades ago is preposterous. If she was locked up in Russia, China or Iran there would be a diplomatic outrage at this point. She is going to spend the next 12 months in custody over 26 year old accusations? I hope she throws the book at them afterwards. As I have already said, it is technically a human rights issue at this point.

Finally, I think it is worth stating that I don't believe Virginia Roberts' father can ever paint himself in an innocent hue when all this boils over. As her parent and guardian back in March 2001 ( when she was technically a minor at 17 1/2 years of age) how he gave permission for her to fly to London for a few weeks is mind boggling?

" Dad, Jeffrey and Ghislaine want to fly me over to London next week, is it ok if I can go and can you give me some pocket money? "

" Of course Virgina, I really approve of you hanging around with people in there 40's.... have fun".

Neyite

batman75 wrote: »

Once Prince Andrew became aware that Epstein had been prospected for sex trafficking and or sex with a minor he should have cut all ties and communication with Epstein. His interview is chilling for his lack of empathy for the girls Epstein violated. It serves him right that his chronic lack of judgment haunted him again when he agreed to do the interview with the BBC. His lack of self awareness borders on the comical. He apparently thought it went well. Instead he flushed his reputation (whatever it amounted to) right down the toilet. How must his daughters have felt watching their dad defend his friendship with a serial sexual abuser.

If Maxwell is not afforded immunity then I expect Prince Andrew won't be the last famous casualty of this whole sick situation.

It was entitled arrogance. His entire life is built around the Royal motto 'never complain, never explain' He's seen newspapers quash stories of Old Philips philandering over the years, has come from generations of entitled rich people for whom money buys most things and solves most problems. And if you really fúck up, Mummy's security team will fix it. The problem with PA is that while there's a lot of affection and deference for the Queen, there's less so for her offspring who are mostly regarded as drains on the taxpayer. Most of all him. Anne is probably the best of them tbh.

Wibbs wrote: »

Sounds about right, though there can be a big difference between "beautiful" and "hot". She may well have stood out among the rentamodel crowd he was used to.

For her youth alone she might have stood out, and he may have had a further shock at realising her function at that party was to service rich men? He's got a daughter who was born in '96 so it's possible he was shocked and disgusted and he's never forgotten what she looked like. I don't think it's fair to say that every person attending those parties had prior knowledge of the activities there especially with under-age victims, and there were probably lots of men who's reaction was revulsion and disgust but they were stuck on an island owned by a powerful billionaire so it's not like they could call a cab and slope off quietly.

gw80

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah it is a bit suss that he would remember her, I think the period in question would be around about 1995-99 so its a long while back. At a party full of models he somehow remembers her. Only way I could see that happening is maybe if she was always by Epsteins/Maxwells side and he was chatting to them and was introduced. He could have been offered her by Epstein. He said he partied with Epstein in both New York and Miami so Id take from that it wasnt just one or two parties, likely a more regular thing. Irvine owns a few properties in Miami so Id presume he is well in with the party set there.

He definitely liked his fast women back in the day, still does in fact. I remember seeing a documentary on him from around 1999 when he was at Ferrari and he was flying his helicopter with some supermodel in the passenger seat and he landed it in a field next to his parents house in northern Ireland. Then in the same doc it shows him riding a moped to the racetrack on race day in Monza and along the journey he was chatting up two hot Italian girls also on a moped and inviting the two of them to his post race party. He definitely deserved the playboy image

Legend.

Treppen

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Dyr

batman75 wrote: »

Once Prince Andrew became aware that Epstein had been prospected for sex trafficking and or sex with a minor he should have cut all ties and communication with Epstein. His interview is chilling for his lack of empathy for the girls Epstein violated. It serves him right that his chronic lack of judgment haunted him again when he agreed to do the interview with the BBC. His lack of self awareness borders on the comical. He apparently thought it went well. Instead he flushed his reputation (whatever it amounted to) right down the toilet. How must his daughters have felt watching their dad defend his friendship with a serial sexual abuser.

If Maxwell is not afforded immunity then I expect Prince Andrew won't be the last famous casualty of this whole sick situation.

Watch Eric Weinsteins commentary on that interview, he said the only way it makes any sense is if yer man Andrew was sending a "**** you" message to somebody or group

Treppen

Bambi wrote: »

Watch Eric Weinsteins commentary on that interview, he said the only way it makes any sense is if yer man Andrew was sending a "**** you" message to somebody or group

I think he was wheeled out to be the patsy . Afterall , Hillary had a secret visit to the royals a day or two before Andy 'decided' to do the interview.

Any word from Bill yet? That guy seems to be Teflon.

If there ever was a **** you message this guy has it in spades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZveA-NAIDI

Potatoeman

IAMAMORON wrote: »

A few things spring to mind. What was Ghislaine Maxwell doing living in New Hampshire if she was aware that there was an active FBI investigation? Surely it would be far safer to hang out in Canada or Europe? That is my first head scratcher.

The other thing really bugging me are the amount of sworn affidavit's and depositions floating around, some of them meaningless. Virginia Roberts name was not even mentioned in a claim made by the Miami Herald ( what a quality rag) in 2015. This is hardly gold dust in the grand scheme of things. The FBI have had access to this deposition for 5 years and done diddly squat. Shock horror like.

The rest is just a host of affidavits from women claiming such and such from 2006. It has taken them decades of hardship to pluck up the courage to throw a few stones at Maxwell, it does not sit comfortably with me at all. Jane Doe, Priscilla Doe. WTF like? Jane Doe is accusing them from an incident in 1994? Really? How many people can remember crap they got up to 26 years ago with any genuine recollection? Honest question btw? How come this particular accusation never came to light when Epstein was originally indicted?

I am actually rooting for Maxwell on this one. I mean the concept that a legal system can incarcerate someone based on affidavits from individuals about alleged crimes which occurred decades ago is preposterous. If she was locked up in Russia, China or Iran there would be a diplomatic outrage at this point. She is going to spend the next 12 months in custody over 26 year old accusations? I hope she throws the book at them afterwards. As I have already said, it is technically a human rights issue at this point.

Finally, I think it is worth stating that I don't believe Virginia Roberts' father can ever paint himself in an innocent hue when all this boils over. As her parent and guardian back in March 2001 ( when she was technically a minor at 17 1/2 years of age) how he gave permission for her to fly to London for a few weeks is mind boggling?

" Dad, Jeffrey and Ghislaine want to fly me over to London next week, is it ok if I can go and can you give me some pocket money? "

" Of course Virgina, I really approve of you hanging around with people in there 40's.... have fun".

Crossing state lines is what makes it more serious. Looks like a deal was reached previously that ended the prior case, what that deal was though is what will be interesting.

I don’t think Roberts is a good figure head for the case. At 17+ the case with Andrew is going nowhere. It’s also at a time when the US are refusing the extradition of Anne Sacoolas after she fled the UK after killing Harry Dunn while driving on the wrong side of the road, saying she had diplomatic immunity when she didn’t. She’s just a US citizen and they won’t extradite her, Andrew is a prince, it’s never going to happen...

Why are we not hearing more from the very underage girls? Was that just Epstein involved?

Muahahaha

IAMAMORON wrote: »

A few things spring to mind. What was Ghislaine Maxwell doing living in New Hampshire if she was aware that there was an active FBI investigation? Surely it would be far safer to hang out in Canada or Europe? That is my first head scratcher.

Yeah had wondered why she stayed in the US myself. She was in hiding and when the FBI knocked she legged it to some corner of the house so she knew she was wanted by them. She had two ex-British army soldiers protecting her. I wonder why after the Prince Andrew interivew she didnt just get out of the US and over to France where she is a citizen with a French passport. I wonder how that came about as well, French politicians are famous for their marital affairs so it would make you wonder did she trade a favour to get a passport? Either way France famously does not like extraditing their own citizens and it would have been difficult for the US to get her out of there.

Neyite wrote: »

It was entitled arrogance. His entire life is built around the Royal motto 'never complain, never explain' He's seen newspapers quash stories of Old Philips philandering over the years, has come from generations of entitled rich people for whom money buys most things and solves most problems.

yeah completely entitled arrogance. Andrew in on record as complaining to people about the way the Prince of Monaco gets away with all his affairs whereas poor Andrew couldnt look sideways at a woman without the British tabloid media savaging him. He was basically saying 'Its not fair, look at what Prince Albert can get away with, I should be allowed to do the same' and basically decrying the troubles of the media when you are a Prince who gets taxpayers money. Sounds to me the Epstein thing suited Andrew down to the ground, he got to play around with total privacy and discretion. Id say thats why he didnt drop Epstein after he initially got charged in Florida and went to meet him in New York. Epstein was like his pimp and Andrew wanted the fun to continue, even if it meant meeting a convicted criminal and taking a walk with him in New Yorks Central Park.

ohnonotgmail

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah had wondered why she stayed in the US myself. She was in hiding and when the FBI knocked she legged it to some corner of the house so she knew she was wanted by them. She had two ex-British army soldiers protecting her. I wonder why after the Prince Andrew interivew she didnt just get out of the US and over to France where she is a citizen with a French passport. I wonder how that came about as well, French politicians are famous for their marital affairs so it would make you wonder did she trade a favour to get a passport? Either way France famously does not like extraditing their own citizens and it would have been difficult for the US to get her out of there.



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she was born in france.

IAMAMORON

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah had wondered why she stayed in the US myself. She was in hiding and when the FBI knocked she legged it to some corner of the house so she knew she was wanted by them. She had two ex-British army soldiers protecting her. I wonder why after the Prince Andrew interivew she didnt just get out of the US and over to France where she is a citizen with a French passport. I wonder how that came about as well, French politicians are famous for their marital affairs so it would make you wonder did she trade a favour to get a passport? Either way France famously does not like extraditing their own citizens and it would have been difficult for the US to get her out of there. .

It just seems strange and illogical that she would not use her birthright to shelter herself from incarceration? The only logic I can find is that she was afraid of trying to skip the US and so was in hiding there all the time? But this is thin enough also, I mean I am sure for the right price you can be on a private jet to Venezuela in a matter of hours? She could have spent the money and been living in a quite country house in France and be out of it?

Something about it does not add up?

She has obviously decided to hang around and fight her case. I just suspect she has an alternative motive than simply clearing her name. I think she is up against it though, it has the smell of a show trial at the moment. I cannot understand why her Lawyers have not tried harder to get her out of jail until her trial arrives, does she feel safer locked up in a prison at this stage?

As regards British Royal Family privilege, I find it patronising that it is even being discussed. The British Royal family are too iconic and popular to be considered for normal civic justice, it just does not work that way. Prince Andrew is never going to be forced into submitting evidence or dealing with the FBI or anything like it. He is too powerful, get over it. All that is going to happen is that the media are going to speculate about his shenanigans for the rest of his life. But not even the biggest boy Scout in the FBI will be given the opportunity to attempt to extradite the favourite son of the Queen of England to the US to face charges which actually happened in another country, get over yourselves.

ohnonotgmail

Andrew travelled on a diplomatic passport so there is zero chance of him being handed over to the US.

Muahahaha

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she was born in france.

right I didnt know that. Even more reason for her to go to France the moment Epstein died or at least after Andrews car crash interview

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It just seems strange and illogical that she would not use her birthright to shelter herself from incarceration? The only logic I can find is that she was afraid of trying to skip the US and so was in hiding there all the time? But this is thin enough also, I mean I am sure for the right price you can be on a private jet to Venezuela in a matter of hours? She could have spent the money and been living in a quite country house in France and be out of it?

yeah its bizarre she stayed hiding out in the US for months rather than getting out of there. Im sure she could have gotten a private jet down to Martinque in the Caribbean which is a French dependency where she could have enjoyed protection under French law.

The fact she ran from the FBI when they came to her New Hampshire house shows she knew the walls were coming in so its all a bit strange, theres definitely lots of fuel for conspiracy theorists in it.

IAMAMORON

Muahahaha wrote: »

The fact she ran from the FBI when they came to her New Hampshire house shows she knew the walls were coming in so its all a bit strange, theres definitely lots of fuel for conspiracy theorists in it.

Sounds dramatic if you ask me. What did she do, hide under the stairs?

Ding Dong " Open up.... FBI , were going to count to 10 Mrs Maxwell"

I wouldn't believe it if it happened in the movies. I think there is a bit of journalistic license being thrown in there. I wouldn't believe an inch of the US media, completely power/agenda driven.

I am thinking she wants to be arrested? Given what happened to Epstein she might be thinking she is safer locked up than she is in a secluded house in France watching her back every 5 minutes? I mean if she were to die in prison it would be a problem, lightning should not be striking twice.

It might be safer for her to face her charges and keep her mouth shut. This would soothe any concerns which serious underworld paedophiles would have that she might blab on them. I reckon she is thinking long term. Do a few years in prison and retire in safety. If she is on the run she is a liability to anyone who is paranoid about being implicated in Epstein's seedy liddle world.