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Job different to spec

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  • 08-07-2019 9:09pm
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    s7ryf3925pivug
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    New job is boring. Different project than I expected when I signed up. Turned down big promotion to take it. Had thought it was me getting wrong end of the stick. Dug out the spec I was given and it's clearly for a different project. Know the guy who was hired onto that a bit before me. This is not something the company are aware of. They are aware I thought I was going onto a different project. At a guess I'd say it was the recruiter to blame.

    Wondering what to do. No equivalent role available now to what I thought. Lead role is open and I turned down equivalent role to that to take the job but I dont actually want the extra responsibility right now. Might not say anything at all.


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    #2
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,466 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote: »
    New job is boring. Different project than I expected when I signed up. Turned down big promotion to take it. Had thought it was me getting wrong end of the stick. Dug out the spec I was given and it's clearly for a different project. Know the guy who was hired onto that a bit before me. This is not something the company are aware of. They are aware I thought I was going onto a different project. At a guess I'd say it was the recruiter to blame.

    Wondering what to do. No equivalent role available now to what I thought. Lead role is open and I turned down equivalent role to that to take the job but I dont actually want the extra responsibility right now. Might not say anything at all.

    Quite simply you are being fûcked over...what I would do is...

    1) Seek a meeting with the hiring manager.
    2) Have hard copy of the job spec you applied for present in the room.
    3) Make a daily breakdown of your job thus far ie. tasks, times, etc
    4) Calculate in average percentages of your week spent on advertised job vs actual work you are doing.
    5) Ask them to provide a timeframe as to when this can be resolved.

    Example...If you apply for a job in the airport as a baggage handler, and on delivering the bags to the aircraft they want you to collect and remove trash bags from the aircraft... NO ! Not in your contract. Doesn’t matter which of them made the fûckup, them or a contractor, the company or an agent acting for them offered xxx job, needs to be delivered or compensated.


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    Jupiter Mulligan
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    Whatever about the job spec, if the salary package is as promised, then don't rock the boat for a while.


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    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,466 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    Whatever about the job spec, if the salary package is as promised, then don't rock the boat for a while.

    The salary should be as promised, fûck that they’ve lied about everything else if the money isn’t right !:eek: because they didn’t lie about the salary, they can lie about other shît ?

    Forget about ‘not rocking the boat’, instead act immediately. Otherwise a premise has been set, that you accept being fûcked over. Believe me, you ARE.


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    Jupiter Mulligan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Jupiter Mulligan


    Ignore the hysterical one. Chillax and enjoy the rest of your life. You'll be dead soon enough.


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    Hoboo
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    The recruiter........agency or internal?


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    _Brian
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    Work to live, do the job, enjoy your non work life and chances are another opportunity will come round.


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    s7ryf3925pivug
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    All angles appreciated.

    External recruiter. Possible he did it deliberately. Don't think the company are aware.

    I turned down better money and a more senior role to take this job. Been feeling foolish and disheartened about what I took to be my own mistake.


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    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Will show head of dept the job description I was given. Project ends in October. Will look to discuss moving onto something more suitable. If It seems negative I’ll see what else comes up in the meantime. Would need to return sign on bonus if I move, which would not be ideal.


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    BrokenArrows
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    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote: »
    Will show head of dept the job description I was given. Project ends in October. Will look to discuss moving onto something more suitable. If It seems negative I’ll see what else comes up in the meantime. Would need to return sign on bonus if I move, which would not be ideal.

    You might have a legal argument against returning the sign on bonus, if its enough to worry about.


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    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Got confirmation the spec was for a different job. Got confirmation it is what was sent to external recruiter. Conversation supposed to continue but seems to have trailed off and I'm not sure what I want anyway as the job I signed up for doesn't really exist.


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    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Dept head pretty unreasonable and trying to say it was my fault and should have understood from interviews.

    Will quit. Might ask a solicitor about it. Might complain internally. Might do both.


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    ajarms86
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    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote:
    Dept head pretty unreasonable and trying to say it was my fault and should have understood from interviews.

    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote:
    Will quit. Might ask a solicitor about it. Might complain internally. Might do both.


    Wow sorry to hear about your predicament, I used to manage staff in a largish tech company and if we made a mistake like the one your describing the staff member would have us over a barrell.
    I would complain and speak to a solicitor, at best its breach of contract by the company/hiring manager but if they are making you feel like quitting then at worst its constructive dismissal . . .


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    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    ajarms86 wrote: »
    Wow sorry to hear about your predicament, I used to manage staff in a largish tech company and if we made a mistake like the one your describing the staff member would have us over a barrell.
    I would complain and speak to a solicitor, at best its breach of contract by the company/hiring manager but if they are making you feel like quitting then at worst its constructive dismissal . . .

    My take was the company sent out the right spec but the recruiter gave the OP the wrong thing

    The company said he/she should have realized from the interview

    No fault on company side from my reading but recruiter fecked up,


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    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    No I thought that too but it was definitely the company at fault.


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    Shefwedfan
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    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote: »
    No I thought that too but it was definitely the company at fault.

    So they sent out the wrong job spec?

    I guess your a contractor and not on a full time contract?


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    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So they sent out the wrong job spec?

    I guess your a contractor and not on a full time contract?

    Yes, they sent out the wrong job spec. Same title and pay but different responsibilities. I turned down a more senior title and larger salary because of what I expected to do. I wouldn't have for the actual role.

    No, full-time contract.


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    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote: »
    Yes, they sent out the wrong job spec. Same title and pay but different responsibilities. I turned down a more senior title and larger salary because of what I expected to do. I wouldn't have for the actual role.

    No, full-time contract.

    Not sure why you would turn down a more senior role and better pay....

    Full time you might have a case but need to take legal advice, not from boards .....get copies of all paperwork now

    Did they record the interview? Did they mention responsibility and role in interview?


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    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Not sure why you would turn down a more senior role and better pay....

    Full time you might have a case but need to take legal advice, not from boards .....get copies of all paperwork now

    Did they record the interview? Did they mention responsibility and role in interview?
    Because I wanted to work on the project I expected to work on. Because I thought I would develop my knowledge in the role. Because I didn't want the additional responsibilities at that time. They knew about the counter offer. I wasn't the first person to turn the role the role down (or to leave the role) for something less senior elsewhere.
    I have the offer in writing.

    Yes going to seek the actual job description tomorrow.

    I was interviewed by three team leads about multiple roles at once. One of them seemed to match the job description. I was told I was being offered whichever role I wanted. I said I wanted the one that I understood matched the job spec. Then when I started I was on one of the others. I said this isn't what I said I wanted. They said it was what the spec always was for and that the third team lead was just there to assess me. I thought it was my mistake at first until I looked back at the job spec. Brought it up again and they're still saying it's my mistake. The spec was for a different project altogether but the third project seemed to fit it, when you were expecting one to fit it.


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    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote: »
    Because I wanted to work on the project I expected to work on. Because I thought I would develop my knowledge in the role. Because I didn't want the additional responsibilities at that time. They knew about the counter offer. I wasn't the first person to turn the role the role down (or to leave the role) for something less senior elsewhere.
    I have the offer in writing.

    Yes going to seek the actual job description tomorrow.

    I was interviewed by three team leads about multiple roles at once. One of them seemed to match the job description. I was told I was being offered whichever role I wanted. I said I wanted the one that I understood matched the job spec. Then when I started I was on one of the others. I said this isn't what I said I wanted. They said it was what the spec always was for and that the third team lead was just there to assess me. I thought it was my mistake at first until I looked back at the job spec. Brought it up again and they're still saying it's my mistake. The spec was for a different project altogether but the third project seemed to fit it, when you were expecting one to fit it.

    That’s sound really really strange to interview for multiple different position in the one interview?

    Why would they do that?


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    mickdw
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    To attract better applicants and fool them into taking poorer roles it would appear.


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    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    mickdw wrote: »
    To attract better applicants and fool them into taking poorer roles it would appear.


    Maybe but I don't see why.....you just end up with someone complaining because they got the wrong job


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    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,466 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    If you want stick where you are, pull the cash, do the minimum as per your contract and be looking elsewhere.

    If they are going to bull**** you regarding the
    job offered vs what they want you to do that’s grossly unsatisfactory.

    Also, fûcking you around like that, it’s unlikely to end there, there WILL be other issues that’s guaranteed.
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    That’s sound really really strange to interview for multiple different position in the one interview?

    Why would they do that?

    Laziness, and disregard for those who have put themselves forward for a ‘particular’ job. The people hiring just wanted to interview and make offers irregardless of if the person had come to be interviewed for the job they are being offered. Scumbag behavior in the extreme.


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    Berserker
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    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote: »
    Yes, they sent out the wrong job spec. Same title and pay but different responsibilities. I turned down a more senior title and larger salary because of what I expected to do. I wouldn't have for the actual role.

    No, full-time contract.

    Request a copy of your interview notes. They are legally obliged to give them to you. Compare and contrast the description given in the interview, with the job spec you were given and the job you are doing, with the assistance of a solicitor.


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    Berserker
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    Strumms wrote: »
    Laziness, and disregard for those who have put themselves forward for a ‘particular’ job. The people hiring just wanted to interview and make offers irregardless of if the person had come to be interviewed for the job they are being offered. Scumbag behavior in the extreme.

    Massive red flag if they are interviewing for multiple roles at once. Guessing there was only one round also, which is another red flag when it comes to interviews for senior level roles. I've always had three or four rounds for a technical role at that level.


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    s7ryf3925pivug
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    Three, or four if you count meeting the dept head to discuss further.
    After the first round I said which one I was most interested in to the hiring manager. During the second and third round I said which one I wanted. I was told during the last round that all of them wanted me on their teams.

    I got the actual job spec today. I saw that the two hr people I dealt with are on holiday so I might not be able to get the notes. I'll ask the alternate contact.

    I mailed a solicitor yesterday.


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    s7ryf3925pivug
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    I requested the interview notes. I also did literacy/numeracy/personality tests. Should I seek the results of those, and are they required to provide them.

    I did well in the literacy/numeracy tests. I was a bit concerned about the personality one as I thought it might highlight that I tend to experience anxiety. I suppose that is a reason to seek it in itself come to mention it...


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    Berserker
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    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote: »
    I requested the interview notes. I also did literacy/numeracy/personality tests. Should I seek the results of those, and are they required to provide them.

    The job description is the issue here and the above will have no bearing on that. I wouldn't entertain doing those tests for a senior level position.


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    s7ryf3925pivug
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    solicitor I spoke to couldn't tell me much really except that she would charge me lots of money. I thanked her for being straightforward. Might look for one who can do a one hour consult to give me a clearer Idea of things.

    Handed in my notice today.


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    Shefwedfan
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    Drake Panicky Cabinet wrote: »
    solicitor I spoke to couldn't tell me much really except that she would charge me lots of money. I thanked her for being straightforward. Might look for one who can do a one hour consult to give me a clearer Idea of things.

    Handed in my notice today.


    So you went to solicitor who recommended you don't have a case....


    So you are going to ambulance chaser solicitor who will tell you that you have a case even if you don't.....they all say that in case the company just try and brush it under carpet and give settlement, the issue is any settlement will be going to solictor and you will be left with very little.....



    I would go on what your first solicitor says....but its your choice of course.....if a good solicitor says no then I would guess the company are covered somehow.....the multi job in one interview could be the issue


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    s7ryf3925pivug
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So you went to solicitor who recommended you don't have a case....


    So you are going to ambulance chaser solicitor who will tell you that you have a case even if you don't.....they all say that in case the company just try and brush it under carpet and give settlement, the issue is any settlement will be going to solictor and you will be left with very little.....



    I would go on what your first solicitor says....but its your choice of course.....if a good solicitor says no then I would guess the company are covered somehow.....the multi job in one interview could be the issue
    no she didn't say that. I know someone who spoke to her before and she told them that right off the bat so I think she would have said it straight out if she knew there was no case.

    She said she'd charge an hourly rate and that where would be a lot of work to do on her part, as well as possibly needing to talk to specialists. Beyond that she just said she didn't give legal advice before someone was a client.

    Basically I wanted to be able to pay her for an hour and get a good understanding of things and take it from there but she doesn't provide that sort of service.


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