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The glorious 12th

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    #3392
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,853 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    timthumbni wrote: »
    No idea what you are on about there francie. Sure you don’t support the Ira anyway so you wouldn’t dare try to defend them anyway?

    Tim, I believe it was ALL wrong. But you clearly have a grá for highlighting what one side did.
    The same nonsense downcow is engaging in. 'Look at themuns'


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    #3393
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,853 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    citytillidie wrote: »
    Using Lyra again for point scoring even when her family have ask for name not to be used as a political football

    These are the people who teach their kids to burn effigies of the recently deceased and living on bonfires who are exploiting another victim to deflect from that activity remember.


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    #3394
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    citytillidie wrote: »
    Using Lyra again for point scoring even when her family have ask for name not to be used as a political football

    Political football?? It was Irish republicans who murdered her in cold blood Ffs.

    Stop shooting and bombing people. It’s quite simple. Are irish republicans that thick that they don’t realise this?


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    #3395
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,165 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Political football?? It was Irish republicans who murdered her in cold blood Ffs.

    Stop shooting and bombing people. It’s quite simple. Are irish republicans that thick that they don’t realise this?

    Her family have asked for it as politicians were using her death at the time to point score just like you are now instead of going for talks to get the government back up and running

    ******



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    #3396
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    Interesting interview last night on BBC 5 live on the Stephen Nolan show. A guy called 'Eamon' was interviewed. The context is that the British journalist Peter Taylor has said he understands why Catholics joined the IRA. Understandably this comment hasn't gone down to well in Britain. 'Eamon' was an IRA member and he was backing up Peter Taylor. He had no regrets for his IRA past and only wished he had killed more Brits. He wanted the Brits out of 'his country'.
    I find Shane Paul O'Doherty's blog to be fascinating reading. He is very anti SF/IRA now having being once a member of the IRA in the 70's.
    I find these threads descend into he did this but they did that tit for tat posts. I think most people realise what went on and who did what. The fear has to be that violence again descends on N.I. through a combination of political instability and a hard border due to Brexit. Lets hope this doesn't happen.


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    #3397
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Tim, I believe it was ALL wrong. But you clearly have a grá for highlighting what one side did.
    The same nonsense downcow is engaging in. 'Look at themuns'

    He doesn’t have any problem with the shankill butchers anyway. The most sadistic killing machine the north ever saw.


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    #3398
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,165 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    He doesn’t have any problem with the shankill butchers anyway. The most sadistic killing machine the north ever saw.

    If it was the bogside butchers we would never hear the end of it from him

    ******



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    #3399
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    citytillidie wrote: »
    If it was the bogside butchers we would never hear the end of it from him

    Selective amnesia.


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    #3400
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,853 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    He doesn’t have any problem with the shankill butchers anyway. The most sadistic killing machine the north ever saw.

    It is just more of the selective exploitation of victims that we see janfebmar engage in. Nauseating.


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    #3401
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    downcow wrote: »
    I want every one treated the same. Do you?

    That ship sailed long ago. If everyone was treated the same then Killer F would have been jailed not long after his murder spree along with hundreds of other security force killers and their enablers down through the years.


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    #3402
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    ‘Loyalist violence seemed to glory in its barbarity. Torture-murders were not unusual. The 'romper room', where victims were ritually tortured, was a feature of many loyalist drinking dens. One particular gang, the Shankhill Butchers, so called for their use of butchers' knives, killed at least 19 people in the 1970's. Such murders cannot merely be dismissed as the act of psychotics. Over the troubles, almost 700 Catholic civilians died at loyalist hands (plus over 100 protestants taken for Catholics) - the largest single category of victim. The aim of loyalist violence was to impress on Britain and Irish nationalism that political appeasement of republicanism was not a violence-free option’

    A quote from Marc Mulholland
    Northern Ireland: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introductions)


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    #3403
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,853 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    That ship sailed long ago. If everyone was treated the same then Killer F would have been jailed not long after his murder spree along with hundreds of other security force killers and their enablers down through the years.

    The coming years will see more of these cases coming to the fore. Funny how downcow wants to forget it all now.


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    #3404
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,165 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Selective amnesia.

    Could say the youngest person killed in the troubles was caused by the actions of the Army but they would justify it

    ******



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    #3405
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    citytillidie wrote: »
    Could say the youngest person killed in the troubles was caused by the actions of the Army but they would justify it

    Its a mindset. Look at DUP defending the band walking around Derry with its parachute crest. Even the march organizers knew it was wrong and acknowledged it just about.


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    #3406
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Its a mindset. Look at DUP defending the band walking around Derry with its parachute crest. Even the march organizers knew it was wrong and acknowledged it just about.

    I think the thing about the marching is, is it a genuine historic and cultural tradition or a means of rubbing the noses of the other community in it?


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    #3407
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    holyhead wrote: »
    I think the thing about the marching is, is it a genuine historic and cultural tradition or a means of rubbing the noses of the other community in it?




    Where they go thru nationalist areas, thats rubbing the nose in it.


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    #3408
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Where they go thru nationalist areas, thats rubbing the nose in it.

    Is that a case of shifting population or as you say rubbing it in?


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    #3409
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,623 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    If there is evidence anyone should be prosecuted and many Republicans/loyalists went to jail. The army and police as we know were protected by whitewash investigations. Everyone deserves to know what happened their loved ones.

    Everyone knows that Bloody Sunday was an important moment in the troubles. The state covered up obvious murder. From then on a can of worms opened where people realized the army brought into protect were also the enemy to the nationalist community.

    Two points.
    So are you saying the letters of comfort to republicans should be rescinded?
    This was the point in radio Ulster this morning. That it is causing serious angst, that the like of BS is being held above other killings


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    #3410
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,623 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Would love to see that link too.

    I’ll have a look tonight


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    #3411
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    downcow wrote: »
    Two points.
    So are you saying the letters of comfort to republicans should be rescinded?
    This was the point in radio Ulster this morning. That it is causing serious angst, that the like of BS is being held above other killings

    The problem with Bloody Sunday was it was state sponsored mass murder. All murder is wrong so not looking to point score.


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    #3412
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    downcow wrote: »
    Two points.
    So are you saying the letters of comfort to republicans should be rescinded?
    This was the point in radio Ulster this morning. That it is causing serious angst, that the like of BS is being held above other killings

    The British army were never held to account in the first place. Many eye witnesses saw murder that day (which you deny) but the state covered it up. Loyalists and republicans were jailed for their acts but impossible to convict a lot of them due to lack of evidence.


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    #3413
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    downcow wrote: »
    Two points.
    So are you saying the letters of comfort to republicans should be rescinded?
    This was the point in radio Ulster this morning. That it is causing serious angst, that the like of BS is being held above other killings

    Are you seriously expect anyone to justify their moral position to you? Earlier you defended a serial killer in a loyalist religious organisation. It's the equivalent of a supporter of the KKK accusing me of defending racists.


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    #3414
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,623 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Yes that was despicable indeed. I'm in complete agreement that the event you're talking about was nothing short of disgusting. All because he was a catholic working as an army cook.

    I appreciate that stedfyeddy. You have risen in my estimations.
    Fair play for recognising stuff in your own community as wrong. Some of us are to quick to point at others


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    #3415
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,623 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    citytillidie wrote: »
    Her family have asked for it as politicians were using her death at the time to point score just like you are now instead of going for talks to get the government back up and running

    Are you not doing this every day with BS victims. ???


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    #3416
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,623 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    ‘Loyalist violence seemed to glory in its barbarity. Torture-murders were not unusual. The 'romper room', where victims were ritually tortured, was a feature of many loyalist drinking dens. One particular gang, the Shankhill Butchers, so called for their use of butchers' knives, killed at least 19 people in the 1970's. Such murders cannot merely be dismissed as the act of psychotics. Over the troubles, almost 700 Catholic civilians died at loyalist hands (plus over 100 protestants taken for Catholics) - the largest single category of victim. The aim of loyalist violence was to impress on Britain and Irish nationalism that political appeasement of republicanism was not a violence-free option’

    A quote from Marc Mulholland
    Northern Ireland: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introductions)

    Had you know idea what republicans were doing with their victims when they hel them for the traditional 3 days before they died


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    #3417
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,623 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The coming years will see more of these cases coming to the fore. Funny how downcow wants to forget it all now.

    Stop twisting.
    It’s simple.
    Prosecute everyone including your MLAs who have letters of comfort. Or nobody. It simple


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    #3418
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,623 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Its a mindset. Look at DUP defending the band walking around Derry with its parachute crest. Even the march organizers knew it was wrong and acknowledged it just about.

    They did not say it was wrong. Stick to facts


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    #3419
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    downcow wrote: »
    Stop twisting.
    It’s simple.
    Prosecute everyone including your MLAs who have letters of comfort. Or nobody. It simple

    That's a point Shane Paul O'Doherty makes on his blog. The thirst to see soldiers prosecuted and yet Republican and Loyalist thugs can walk the streets because of the GFA.


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    #3420
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,623 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Where they go thru nationalist areas, thats rubbing the nose in it.

    I don’t know anywhere they go though nationalist areas but maybe you will give us a couple of examples. ??


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    #3421
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,853 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcow wrote: »
    Stop twisting.
    It’s simple.
    Prosecute everyone including your MLAs who have letters of comfort. Or nobody. It simple

    That should have been the rule from the start downcow. It is why we are at this juncture now. And yet you still defend 40 year old actions your criminally negligent government eventually had to apologise unequivocally for.
    There is a long way to go yet to try and balance the books.


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