The glorious 12th

munsterlegend

timthumbni wrote: »

When will this poll be though? surely you didn’t leave to the dastardly brits?

Well Brexit has certainly brought the date forward. Every decision on Northern Ireland involves Dublin now. I think the Scots will get their vote first though.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

When will this poll be though? surely you didn’t leave to the dastardly brits?

Tim, you need to come to terms with what the GFA actually is. The Inter Governmental conference etc.
The days of the 'Brits' running the place are over.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The days of the 'Brits' running the place are over.

Is it 7 of the 18 MPs for N Ireland are nationalist / Republican, but they are not making a very good job of running anything.

Fear not Francie, when you resettle the "Brits" as you call them, the island will be perfect.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

Is it 7 of the 18 MPs for N Ireland are nationalist / Republican, but they are not making a very good job of running anything.

Fear not Francie, when you resettle the "Brits" as you call them, the island will be perfect.

As is clearly evident with Brexit, the British cannot break wind in NI without getting our approval first.

Is it any wonder belligerent unionism wants rid of the GFA.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As is clearly evident with Brexit, the British cannot break wind in NI without getting our approval first.

Is it any wonder belligerent unionism wants rid of the GFA.

It is not the Unionists who are turning to violence, it is extremist Republicans, as we saw yesterday and a month or two ago.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

It is not the Unionists who are turning to violence, it is extremist Republicans, as we saw yesterday and a month or two ago.

There has been violence since the GFA jan...even if you do your best to ignore it.

gwalk

Watched a documentary last night on Amazon Prime called "Collusion" basically about the British Army being in bed with Loyalist paramiliteries

Would recomend that the ostriches on the thread watch it


* In before the whataboutery or Themmuns shouts

timthumbni

gwalk wrote: »

Watched a documentary last night on Amazon Prime called "Collusion" basically about the British Army being in bed with Loyalist paramiliteries

Would recomend that the ostriches on the thread watch it


* In before the whataboutery or Themmuns shouts

Sure the majority of nationalists in NI now vote for a party who are the political wing of a terrorist organisation as in the Ira. You made your bed, so lie in it.

And if it’s an ira safe house bed, then protect your weans.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

Sure the majority of nationalists in NI now vote for a party who are the political wing of a terrorist organisation as in the Ira. You made your bed, so lie in it.

And if it’s an ira safe house bed, then protect your weans.

NI's original and immortalised 'terrorist leader'. As you were told, don't be throwing stones, you might break a window!

maccored

timthumbni wrote: »

Sure the majority of nationalists in NI now vote for a party who are the political wing of a terrorist organisation as in the Ira. You made your bed, so lie in it.

And if it’s an ira safe house bed, then protect your weans.

ah right - so its all the iras fault that the brits and loyalists colluded. masterclass in deflection

timthumbni

maccored wrote: »

ah right - so its all the iras fault that the brits and loyalists colluded. masterclass in deflection

I would say it was totally the IRAs fault. Without the Ira there would have been no collusion. And considering that the Iras main target aside from Protestants was the BA then it’s amazing that a small number colluded with loyalists. I wonder why...

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

It is not the Unionists who are turning to violence, it is extremist Republicans, as we saw yesterday and a month or two ago.

Unionism in Northern Ireland is built on violence and the threat of violence.

downcow

gwalk wrote: »

Watched a documentary last night on Amazon Prime called "Collusion" basically about the British Army being in bed with Loyalist paramiliteries

Would recomend that the ostriches on the thread watch it


* In before the whataboutery or Themmuns shouts

Is it only called collusion when its loyalists. Do we call them agents when it nationalist?

steddyeddy

timthumbni wrote: »

I would say it was totally the IRAs fault. Without the Ira there would have been no collusion. And considering that the Iras main target aside from Protestants was the BA then it’s amazing that a small number colluded with loyalists. I wonder why...

Tim you're defending terrorism again. It's not terrorism you have a problem with it's anything Irish.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

I would say it was totally the IRAs fault. Without the Ira there would have been no collusion. And considering that the Iras main target aside from Protestants was the BA then it’s amazing that a small number colluded with loyalists. I wonder why...

You guys had a sectarian police force since partition Tim, specialists in controlling the 'taigs about the place'.

A bit of cop on and awareness required.

timthumbni

steddyeddy wrote: »

Tim you're defending terrorism again. It's not terrorism you have a problem with it's anything Irish.

I’ve said before that murdering loyalist terrorists were every bit as bad as IRA terrorists. There are plenty of your fellow travellers on here who seem to have no problem with the IRAs murder and terror campaign. Perhaps you should point that stick at them first before accusing me of supporting terrorists.

James Brown

timthumbni wrote: »

I’ve said before that murdering loyalist terrorists were every bit as bad as IRA terrorists. There are plenty of your fellow travellers on here who seem to have no problem with the IRAs murder and terror campaign. Perhaps you should point that stick at them first before accusing me of supporting terrorists.

As it seems needed to be said, I believe any violence is wrong. We have to look at motives. People don't kill in a vacuum.
One was seeking freedom the other was seeking to maintain the one sided status quo. Luckily for all involved there was a move towards peace.
IMO the B.A. merely had 'legal' authority to differentiate themselves from terrorists. One man's hero etc.
I don't think any military parades should be allowed, in the least not officially celebrated. I was disgusted to see a line of schoolchildren being paraded by a WW2 bomber, which likely carpet bombed schools, hospitals, neighborhoods, like it was a religious artifact to honour and admire during remembrance celebrations. Remember those who died by all means but with grace and dignity.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There has been violence since the GFA jan....

Indeed, and nobody claimed otherwise. There was violence before the troubles too, for example the border campaign of 1958 to 1962, which was entirely the fault of Republicans too.

And as regards the violence since the gfa Francie, did you know that far more people per head of population have been killed in the Republic over the past few decades than in N Ireland.

James Brown

janfebmar wrote: »

Indeed, and nobody claimed otherwise. There was violence before the troubles too, for example the border campaign of 1958 to 1962, which was entirely the fault of Republicans too.

And as regards the violence since the gfa Francie, did you know that far more people per head of population have been killed in the Republic over the past few decades than in N Ireland.

Was the French resistance in WW2 entirely the fault of the French nationalists? :rolleyes:

janfebmar

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Was the French resistance in WW2 entirely the fault of the French nationalists? :rolleyes:

Republicans did not do much to help the French Resistance during the war either, the British helped them much more and helped free Europe from Nazism.

timthumbni

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Was the French resistance in WW2 entirely the fault of the French nationalists? :rolleyes:

I wouldn’t go down the nazi route if I was an Irish republican.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

I wouldn’t go down the nazi route if I was an Irish republican.

Or as a loyalist/unionist either. Didn't the British monarchy party with them first while their government ignored them blatantly breaking the Versailles Treaty.

Mind you they are not great at abiding by their treaty obligations themselves.

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or as a loyalist/unionist either. Didn't the British monarchy party with them first while their government ignored them blatantly breaking the Versailles Treaty.

Mind you they are not great at abiding by their treaty obligations themselves.

The British fought and died in huge numbers fighting the nazis. The Irish mostly flirted with them and showed their arse.

Now there are many wars in which it can be argued who was right and wrong but with the nazis come on now ffs.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

The British fought and died in huge numbers fighting the nazis. The Irish mostly flirted with them and showed their arse.

Now there are many wars in which it can be argued who was right and wrong but with the nazis come on now ffs.

You guys partied with them first, then appeased them, which is a nice word for 'letting them do what they wanted'.

Had youse done your job and been responsible there might have been no war...what does that remind you off?

James Brown

janfebmar wrote: »

Republicans did not do much to help the French Resistance during the war either, the British helped them much more and helped free Europe from Nazism.

Did you just miss the point or choose to side step it?

timthumbni wrote: »

I wouldn’t go down the nazi route if I was an Irish republican.

I wasn't but like your pal above you're dodging the point to move the goal posts.
Mind we had the Blueshirts alright. And DeValera courted Hitler for sure. As did the British Royals.

James Brown

timthumbni wrote: »

The British fought and died in huge numbers fighting the nazis. The Irish mostly flirted with them and showed their arse.

Now there are many wars in which it can be argued who was right and wrong but with the nazis come on now ffs.

What loyalty did we owe the British Empire do you think?

Let's go back a few steps, any border campaign was a result of their being a border, not some trouble makers out for shenanigans.

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You guys partied with them first, then appeased them, which is a nice word for 'letting them do what they wanted'.

Had youse done your job and been responsible there might have been no war...what does that remind you off?

The nazis were within an inch of controlling the whole world. And not in a nice way. Those ovens would have been expanded quite obviously.

The British played a huge part in stopping that. It’s amazing that some bitters on here are actually trying to bum up the nazis and the British reaction to them.

If the nazis had succeeded I doubt any of us would be here. That is how significant a point in world history it was.

As I said if I was an Irish republican I would steer clear of ww2. You did f all squared.

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

As it seems needed to be said, I believe any violence is wrong. We have to look at motives. People don't kill in a vacuum.
One was seeking freedom the other was seeking to maintain the one sided status quo. Luckily for all involved there was a move towards peace.
IMO the B.A. merely had 'legal' authority to differentiate themselves from terrorists. One man's hero etc.
I don't think any military parades should be allowed, in the least not officially celebrated. I was disgusted to see a line of schoolchildren being paraded by a WW2 bomber, which likely carpet bombed schools, hospitals, neighborhoods, like it was a religious artifact to honour and admire during remembrance celebrations. Remember those who died by all means but with grace and dignity.

Motives have little or anything to do with it. Thugs will be thugs. Yes, some are brainwashed into thuggery and murder by misplaced and outdated idealistics, but no excuse, no explanation and no understanding for terrorists.

Now we hear the misguided "seeking freedom" nonsense again. The IRA was full of people who delighted in lording it over their community imposing punishment beatings, disappearances, rape and kneecapping to their hearts' desire. Many of them yearn for a return to those good old days, hence the warnings about a return to violence. We don't whitewash Bloody Sunday, we shouldn't whitewash those claiming to be "seeking freedom".

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

The nazis were within an inch of controlling the whole world. And not in a nice way. Those ovens would have been expanded quite obviously.

The British played a huge part in stopping that. It’s amazing that some bitters on here are actually trying to bum up the nazis and the British reaction to them.

If the nazis had succeeded I doubt any of us would be here. That is how significant a point in world history it was.

As I said if I was an Irish republican I would steer clear of ww2. You did f all squared.

Nobody is trying to up the Nazis Tim. Plenty trying to up the British Empire which did pretty much the same thing as the Nazi's if you look at history without the rose tinted glasses. Hitler was a huge fan of it too.

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody is trying to up the Nazis Tim. Plenty trying to up the British Empire which did pretty much the same thing as the Nazi's if you look at history without the rose tinted glasses. Hitler was a huge fan of it too.

So why harp on about the British reaction to the nazis. The British actually fought and spilled their blood against the nazis. Many from NI included. The Irish did f all apart from your leader showing his backside to hitler, looking for a few crumbs. I really can’t believe any Irish republican would try and point score over the Second World War. It wasn’t your most heroic moment.