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The glorious 12th

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    #4052
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Didn't notorious dev have that very picture on his wall..

    Nothing would surprise me about Dev, after all no other leader of a country in the world expressed condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler, only weeks after the concentration camps were liberated and the horrors fully revealed to the world. He had no excuse.


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    #4053
    trashcan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭trashcan


    janfebmar wrote: »
    compared to Develeras prisons, where he executed 6 captured IRA prisoners.

    But I thought you were all in favour of that, no?


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    #4054
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Nothing would surprise me about Dev, after all no other leader of a country in the world expressed condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler, only weeks after the concentration camps were liberated and the horrors fully revealed to the world. He had no excuse.

    Don't forget your story about how pilots threw sh1t over Ireland!


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    #4055
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    As a result of the famine we're the only country in Europe who's population is less than it was 150 years ago.

    The famine was more than 150 years ago, closer to 170 years ago. And other European countries had famines too.


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    #4056
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    trashcan wrote: »
    But I thought you were all in favour of that, no?

    J is depending on the thread. He can go from Sinn Fein voter to unionist voter depending who is on the thread.


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    #4057
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Nothing would surprise me about Dev, after all no other leader of a country in the world expressed condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler, only weeks after the concentration camps were liberated and the horrors fully revealed to the world. He had no excuse.

    You keep repeating this like it's a dark secret or folk are denying it.
    He called around to the German ambassadors house.


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    #4058
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    trashcan wrote: »
    But I thought you were all in favour of that, no?

    Who you think treated captured pira prisoners better, Mrs Thatcher or DeVerera? Why did the Republican propaganda machine not label Dev as the Iron man, seeing as he killed captured IRA prisoners and Mrs Thatcher was much softer and did not?


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    #4059
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    janfebmar wrote: »
    The famine was more than 150 years ago, closer to 170 years ago. And other European countries had famines too.

    Grand so. Did you say that about terrorist attacks during 9/11?


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    #4060
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    The famine was more than 150 years ago, closer to 170 years ago. And other European countries had famines too.

    Sorry J I'm forgetting that this is a conversation that's not really rooted in reality. Ireland's population rose after the famine. Is that better?


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    #4061
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    J is depending on the thread. He can go from Sinn Fein voter to unionist voter depending who is on the thread.

    Rubbish.


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    #4062
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Grand so. Did you say that about terrorist attacks during 9/11?

    Say what about terrorist attacks during 9/11???


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    #4063
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Who you think treated captured pira prisoners better, Mrs Thatcher or DeVerera? Why did the Republican propaganda machine not label Dev as the Iron man, seeing as he killed captured IRA prisoners and Mrs Thatcher was much softer and did not?

    In fairness J the Republican agenda machine is working fantastically! They've even got you referring to Northern Ireland as the 6 counties and voting nationalist. If that's not a success what is?


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    #4064
    trashcan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭trashcan


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Who you think treated captured pira prisoners better, Mrs Thatcher or DeVerera? Why did the Republican propaganda machine not label Dev as the Iron man, seeing as he killed captured IRA prisoners and Mrs Thatcher was much softer and did not?

    So that makes Dev a better leader than Thatcher in your book, no? (Thatcher that well known bleeding heart btw :D)


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    #4065
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Say what about terrorist attacks during 9/11???

    'Other countries had terrorist attacks too'?


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    #4066
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Sorry J I'm forgetting that this is a conversation that's not really rooted in reality. Ireland's population rose after the famine. Is that better?

    I thought we had seen 'peak' deluded defences of the 'realm', but the last few pages have utterly thrown that out the window. Bizarre stuff.


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    #4067
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Who you think treated captured pira prisoners better, Mrs Thatcher or DeVerera? Why did the Republican propaganda machine not label Dev as the Iron man, seeing as he killed captured IRA prisoners and Mrs Thatcher was much softer and did not?

    How many hunger strikers died on Maggie's watch?


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    #4068
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    How many hunger strikers died on Maggie's watch?

    Or how many died in her shoot to kill policy?

    At least Dev had a trial before he executed.


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    #4069
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    In fairness J the Republican agenda machine is working fantastically! They've even got you referring to Northern Ireland as the 6 counties and voting nationalist. If that's not a success what is?

    I usually refer to N. Ireland as N Ireland. Nobody can deny there are 6 counties in N Ireland, of course there are.

    And as regards voting, there is not a big choice south of the border. Sometimes, the choice is not to vote at all or else vote for the least nationalist candidate, whose economic policies may at least be agreeable and reasonable. There is a lot more to politics that just the national question, you know.


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    #4070
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    How many hunger strikers died on Maggie's watch?

    Under the watch of the Republican leadership you mean? They wanted them to die. Mrs T. did not, as it raised the temperature in N Ireland.

    The penny dropped yet?


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    #4071
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    At least Dev had a trial before he executed.

    And Mrs T. had trials and found a lot more pIRA men and women guilty than Dev did. Yet was there ever a miscarriage of justice under her watch / an innocent person wrongfully convicted? She did not execute her prisoners, Dev did.

    Why does the Republican propaganda machine not rename Dev the Iron Man and Mrs T the soft lady?


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    #4072
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    janfebmar wrote: »
    And Mrs T. had trials and found a lot more pIRA men and women guilty than Dev did. Yet was there ever a miscarriage of justice under her watch / an innocent person wrongfully convicted? She did not execute her prisoners, Dev did.

    Why does the Republican propaganda machine not rename Dev the Iron Man and Mrs T the soft lady?

    That would be a yes.

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    You're obsessed with Dev :)


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    #4073
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    That would be a yes.

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    Jan ain't having a good day. :)


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    #4074
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Jan ain't having a good day. :)

    If I were a Unionist I'd be thinking she was a double agent :)


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    #4075
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Jan ain't having a good day. :)

    I am having a great day. Name any trials under her watch where people were wrongfully tried? found guilty and imprisoned.

    Did the comrades ever have a trial before putting a bomb under someone's family car or shooting them in the back while off duty?


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    #4076
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    J is depending on the thread. He can go from Sinn Fein voter to unionist voter depending who is on the thread.

    Takes more positions than the Kama sutra.


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    #4077
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    If I were a Unionist I'd be thinking she was a double agent :)

    I actually don't know of a Unionist that has the selective view of history that janfebmar has...and that is saying something when you think about what some of them believe.


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    #4078
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Takes more positions than the Kama sutra.

    Same position, yet I always beat you in debating. So easy, considering the views you have.


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    #4079
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Same position, yet I always beat you in debating. So easy, considering the views you have.

    Yeh,I am sure Rob will be along to claim you are wiping the floors again. :)

    Honestly, trying to vindicate Maggie after the hames you made trying to deny British concentration camps is priceless.


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    #4080
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Same position, yet I always beat you in debating. So easy, considering the views you have.

    A debate is not about views but the persuasiveness of your argument. On that note j I bid thee adieu.


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    #4081
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I actually don't know of a Unionist that has the selective view of history that janfebmar has...and that is saying something when you think about what some of them believe.

    I don't know of a unionist who voted nationalist and calls Northern Ireland the 6 counties.


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