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The glorious 12th

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    #1892
    janfebmar
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    droidman123 wrote: »
    So you think the jews would be offended by loyalists using nazi flags and emblems in their right wing approach?

    Never saw any loyalist groups officially honouring the Nazi flag. I have travelled quite a bit in N Ireland and never saw any Nazi flags or emblems there.


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    #1893
    janfebmar
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    _blaaz wrote: »
    Keep screaming wrong over and over again....

    When you find evidence that Republicans imported Artillery in 1916, let everyone know. Do you think Republicans had helicopters then too maybe?


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    #1894
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Never saw any loyalist groups officially honouring the Nazi flag. I have travelled quite a bit in N Ireland and never saw any Nazi flags or emblems there.

    You replied to pics of exactly that earlier in this very thread.

    Odd you don’t remember.


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    #1895
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,422 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Probably not as offended as the relatives of those murdered in the kingsmill massacre when SF MP macelduff mocked them by putting a loaf on his head.

    I remember that. What a dick.

    SF had become sectarian by 1976.
    No worker loyalty there.


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    #1896
    _blaaz
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    When you find evidence that Republicans imported Artillery in 1916, let everyone know. Do you think Republicans had helicopters then too maybe?

    Dont think helicoptors existed in 1916....your really gone off far end ranting now


    Chill out bro


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    #1897
    droidman123
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Never saw any loyalist groups officially honouring the Nazi flag. I have travelled quite a bit in N Ireland and never saw any Nazi flags or emblems there.

    Now you are just having me on


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    #1898
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Dont think helicoptors existed in 1916....


    My point exactly. And I do not think the Republicans imported Artillery then either, as was claimed. Do keep up.


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    #1899
    Odhinn
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Never saw any loyalist groups officially honouring the Nazi flag. I have travelled quite a bit in N Ireland and never saw any Nazi flags or emblems there.


    Should have gone to specsavers.....



    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&biw=1600&bih=887&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=C_k6XcywF8mD8gL5iaPICw&q=nazi+flags+loyalist&oq=nazi+flags+loyalist&gs_l=img.3...30744.34906..35538...0.0..0.68.617.10......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i8i30j0j0i30j0i5i30.ayLHvMbOM9c&ved=0ahUKEwiM4vfU0dLjAhXJgVwKHfnECLkQ4dUDCAY&uact=5#imgrc=n936vRVotpbHnM:







    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&biw=1600&bih=887&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=C_k6XcywF8mD8gL5iaPICw&q=nazi+flags+loyalist&oq=nazi+flags+loyalist&gs_l=img.3...30744.34906..35538...0.0..0.68.617.10......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i8i30j0j0i30j0i5i30.ayLHvMbOM9c&ved=0ahUKEwiM4vfU0dLjAhXJgVwKHfnECLkQ4dUDCAY&uact=5#imgrc=y0ZqAWS3sO10HM:


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    #1900
    citytillidie
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    https://www.channel4.com/news/racist-flags-flown-northern-ireland-swastika-confederate

    08_Carrickfergus_w--(None).jpg

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    #1901
    _blaaz
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    My point exactly. And I do not think the Republicans imported Artillery then either, as was claimed. Do keep up.

    Im lost now??

    Why do you mention something that didnt exist in 1916 and rant and rave about it...if you know it not existed


    Imo you did,and after making another mistake during yet another of your rant-filled meltdowns over 1916...


    ..tbh you didnt know they got rifles either in 1916 and then tried to claim.they were antiques....you seem to have absolutely zero knowlege on this subject,so i doubt il take your word as regards artillery


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    #1902
    Stop moaning ffs
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    citytillidie wrote: »
    https://www.channel4.com/news/racist-flags-flown-northern-ireland-swastika-confederate

    08_Carrickfergus_w--(None).jpg


    Beat me to it.
    A flag celebrating slavery and another a Nazi flag.
    Any response jan?


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    #1903
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I tried this wider discussion about 'contentious statues and symbols' with blanch152 but the people wittering on about a republican memorial to a man dead for 70 years or more, accused me of 'whataboutery' on a thread about the 12th July and refused to broaden out the discussion for the usual reasons, they might have to criticise the Unionists or British.

    :):)

    Ah, well, at least you got a response, of sorts....

    @blanch152.

    I'll ask again. How would you respond to a request for the removal of statues/images of Trevelyan or Churchill in the UK, because they offend some Irish people?


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    #1904
    igCorcaigh
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    citytillidie wrote: »
    https://www.channel4.com/news/racist-flags-flown-northern-ireland-swastika-confederate

    08_Carrickfergus_w--(None).jpg

    Yeah, the loyalty also extends to the old South Africa and current day Israel. Colonial mindset.

    But I don't let that colour my opinion of decent unionist people.


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    #1905
    citytillidie
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yeah, the loyalty also extends to the old South Africa and current day Israel. Colonial mindset.

    But I don't let that colour my opinion of decent unionist people.

    Me either, but we have a user claiming it never happened so just clearing that up

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    #1906
    Stop moaning ffs
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yeah, the loyalty also extends to the old South Africa and current day Israel. Colonial mindset.

    But I don't let that colour my opinion of decent unionist people.

    Three of my best pals are unionists one of whose father an orange order leader you’d know his name.

    All three are the soundest most decent lads and all three know the lights are changing and are actually hoping for a UI because they know the uk already ignores NI but post brexit it will be utterly worse and destruction for their economy such as it is and tensions will explode.


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    #1907
    janfebmar
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Beat me to it.
    A flag celebrating slavery and another a Nazi flag.
    Any response jan?

    A photo of a flag erected by some individual somewhere proves nothing. Out of 900,000 people, you are bound to get some oddballs.


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    #1908
    janfebmar
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    _blaaz wrote: »
    Im lost now??

    Why do you mention something that didnt exist in 1916 and rant and rave about it...if you know it not existed


    Imo you did,and after making another mistake during yet another of your rant-filled meltdowns over 1916...


    ..tbh you didnt know they got rifles either in 1916 and then tried to claim.they were antiques....you seem to have absolutely zero knowlege on this subject,so i doubt il take your word as regards artillery

    I did not say the rifles were "antiques", but it is well know that rifle technology was advancing at the time and the German dealers wanted to get rid of some stuff that was superseded, but still perfectly ok for terrorist / guerilla warfare type operations, call it what you want.
    Now, any evidence that the leaders of 1916 imported "Artillery", as was claimed on this thread?


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    #1909
    janfebmar
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Three of my best pals are unionists one of whose father an orange order leader you’d know his name.

    All three are the soundest most decent lads and all three know the lights are changing and are actually hoping for a UI because they know the uk already ignores NI but post brexit it will be utterly worse and destruction for their economy such as it is and tensions will explode.

    Lol. If they are hoping for a United Ireland they are not unionists. I'm not buying your story.


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    #1910
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    A photo of a flag erected by some individual somewhere proves nothing. Out of 900,000 people, you are bound to get some oddballs.

    You were ranting constantly about 10 Protestants being rounded up and shot and later Protestants being discriminated against in Ireland only a while ago.

    Maybe the Catholic teacher who hit you in school(your words) was an outlier oddball

    As you say it doesn’t prove all catholics are oddballs though right?


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    #1911
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Lol. If they are hoping for a United Ireland they are not unionists. I'm not buying your story.

    They actually are. They want a United ireland

    The clue is right there in the first word jan. come on baby. You can figure it out


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    #1912
    janfebmar
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah, well, at least you got a response, of sorts....

    @blanch152.

    I'll ask again. How would you respond to a request for the removal of statues/images of Trevelyan or Churchill in the UK, because they offend some Irish people?

    Statues of Churchill ....100,000 Irish people fought in the British war effort and generally I think they thought he was fine. I never heard any of them complaining about him anyway, and I knew a few quite well. He was elected by the British people, if they want to keep a statue of an elected Prime Minister that is ok with me, it is not my country or business.


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    #1913
    FrancieBrady
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    I did not say the rifles were "antiques", but it is well know that rifle technology was advancing at the time and the German dealers wanted to get rid of some stuff that was superseded, but still perfectly ok for terrorist / guerilla warfare type operations, call it what you want.
    Now, any evidence that the leaders of 1916 imported "Artillery", as was claimed on this thread?

    Is that what the over 100 corporations of Britain's 'special friend' were doing when they got rich re-arming the German Nazi government when Britain and France looked mutely on? May be a few more statues on the demolishing list. :)

    Rushing to google for your 'education' keeps leading you into logical cul-de-sacs jan, you should have learned by now that you need an overview of history and all the facts.


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    #1914
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Statues of Churchill ....100,000 Irish people fought in the British war effort and generally I think they thought he was fine. I never heard any of them complaining about him anyway, and I knew a few quite well. He was elected by the British people, if they want to keep a statue of an elected Prime Minister that is ok with me, it is not my country or business.



    Swap Churchill statue for Russell statue and your position is?
    hypocrisy is right there


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    #1915
    janfebmar
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    They actually are. They want a United ireland

    The clue is right there in the first word jan. come on baby. You can figure it out

    If people in n.Ireland want a United Ireland they are not usually referred to as unionists, by definition. Unionists want to maintain the Union with Britain.


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    #1916
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    If people in n.Ireland want a United Ireland they are not usually referred to as unionists, by definition. Unionists want to maintain the Union with Britain.

    That’s the gas part. When the ref happens those wanting a unified Ireland will be the unionists.


    The poor DUP will be abandoned and have to resort to their actual name.

    Loyalists


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    #1917
    janfebmar
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Swap Churchill statue for Russell statue and your position is?
    hypocrisy is right there

    Russell was not elected, for starters. The IRA had so little support here that DeValera killed some of them in Irish prison, and no outcry. Churchill was a prime minister of the UK. Huge difference.


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    #1918
    citytillidie
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Statues of Churchill ....100,000 Irish people fought in the British war effort and generally I think they thought he was fine. I never heard any of them complaining about him anyway, and I knew a few quite well. He was elected by the British people, if they want to keep a statue of an elected Prime Minister that is ok with me, it is not my country or business.

    Indians now in Britain might find it offensive to have a statue of Churchill for what happened in India or is that not in your history books too

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    #1919
    FrancieBrady
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Swap Churchill statue for Russell statue and your position is?
    hypocrisy is right there

    There is an instance closer than Churchill, i.e. Carson. janfebmar and blanch have deflected and avoided dealing with that one...you'd wonder why?


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    #1920
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Russell was not elected, for starters. The IRA had so little support here that DeValera killed some of them in Irish prison, and no outcry. Churchill was a prime minister of the UK. Huge difference.

    Yeah can you name any of those dev had executed?

    I’ll wait


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    #1921
    Stop moaning ffs
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    Lads. Sit down. Watch this. Jan actually just said this

    janfebmar wrote: »
    Just one that has studied history a lot and met people from all sides over many decades, and who believes in fairness.

    Don’t make me laugh. Please. That’s the funniest most blatantly false post on boards ever


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