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    #2042
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odhinn wrote: »


    But he didn't try,


    Some food was sent, but not enough. There were 70 million people to feed in that part of India at the time.


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    #2043
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Some food was sent, but not enough. There were 70 million people to feed in that part of India at the time.

    They shouldnt be invading and setting up.colonies and then wash their hands when it geos to sh1t....accpet responsibilty of their actions


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    #2044
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    _blaaz wrote: »
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Some food was sent, but not enough. There were 70 million people to feed in that part of India at the time.

    They shouldnt be invading and setting up.colonies and then wash their hands when it geos to sh1t....accpet responsibilty of their actions
    It appears to sail right over your head there was a world war going on then,the tide was only just beginning to turn that year with the Russian successes against the nazis and British and Indian troops starting to get the upper hand against the Japanese.


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    #2045
    _blaaz
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    RobMc59 wrote: »
    It appears to sail right over your head there was a world war going on then,the tide was only just beginning to turn that year with the Russian successes against the nazis and British and Indian troops starting to get the upper hand against the Japanese.

    Im failing to see how a world war can excuse a famine??


    Perhaps you can outline how its ok for people to strave in a war situation?


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    #2046
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Some food was sent, but not enough. There were 70 million people to feed in that part of India at the time.




    There was sufficient food available but he diverted it to the military and insisted that rice be exported from the area. Not only that, they never even officially recognised it as a famine. It's a matter of record, as is his racist view of Indians generally.


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    #2047
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The world owes so much to Sir Bob Geldof for his and Midge Ure's efforts with band aid to help them.

    Funny the way jan is banging this exact drum in a different thread


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    #2048
    dudara
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    One month ban for stop moaning ffs for continuing to ignore instructions

    dudara


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    #2049
    FrancieBrady
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    He could not have prevented the 1770 Bengal famine , which took a third of the population, as he was not even alive then.

    But look who were up to their necks in that one.
    The exploitative tax revenue maximisation policies of the British East India Company after 1765 crippled the economic resources of the rural population.[3][7] Nobel prize winning Indian economist Amartya Sen describes it as a man-made famine, noting that no previous famine had occurred in Bengal that century


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    #2050
    janfebmar
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    Odhinn wrote: »

    India has never suffered a famine since they gained independence afaik.

    We were talking about the famine in Bengal in the early forties. Was there not another one there in 1974 , long after ther got independence, and which cost one and a half million lives?


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    #2051
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    We were talking about the famine in Bengal in the early forties. Was there not another one there in 1974 , long after ther got independence, and which cost one and a half million lives?


    There was a drought, afaik, but causing nothing like you describe.


    What has that to do with Churchill being responsible for 3-4 million unnecessarily dying in the 1940's?


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    #2052
    _blaaz
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    There was a drought, afaik, but causing nothing like you describe.


    What has that to do with Churchill being responsible for 3-4 million unnecessarily dying in the 1940's?
    Your dealing with someone who blames civil right protesters for getting emselves shot....

    its obvious hes leading into blaming indians for the famine when ruled by britain


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    #2053
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odhinn wrote: »
    There was a drought, afaik, but causing nothing like you describe.

    The internet says there was a famine in Bengal in 1974 that took one and a half million lives.


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    #2054
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    The internet says there was a famine in Bengal in 1974 that took one and a half million lives.


    ...which has nothing to do with churchill and his handling of the 1940's famine.

    You might supply a link to that?


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    #2055
    _blaaz
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...which has nothing to do with churchill and his handling of the 1940's famine.

    You might supply a link to that?

    Google is your friend....first paragraph of wiki
    The last major famine was the Bengal famine of 1943. A famine occurred in the state of Bihar in December 1966 on a much smaller scale and in which "Happily, aid was at hand and there were relatively fewer deaths".[1][2] The drought of Maharashtra in 1970–1973 is often cited as an example in which successful famine prevention processes were employed.


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    #2056
    janfebmar
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    ...which has nothing to do with churchill and his handling of the 1940's famine.

    You might supply a link to that?

    Just Google Bengal famine 1974. Takes 2 seconds.

    Wiki says unofficial estimate 1974 famine one and a half million people.


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    #2057
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Google is your friend....first paragraph of wiki




    Fascinating. We shall see what Janfebmar/maryishere/gigino/jimmmy/japer discovered on the internet that says otherwise.


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    #2058
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Just Google Bengal famine 1974. Takes 2 seconds.


    I and others didn't find anything that relates to your claim. You also might explain what the 1974 drought has to do with churchills racist policies of the 1940's.



    Why can't you provide a link to your source?


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    #2059
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odhinn wrote: »
    I and others didn't find anything that relates to your claim.


    If you cannot find in on Google in 2 seconds, that is because you either cannot use Google or you do not know that east Bengal is now called Bangladesh. Do try harder.


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    #2060
    Odhinn
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    If you cannot find in on Google in 2 seconds, that is because you either cannot use Google or you do not know than east Bengal is now called Bangladesh. Do try harder.




    You know this source having seen it. I and others cannot find it. It's thus incumbent on you to back up your claim by posting a link to it.


    Also, you might explain what it has to do with churchills racist decisions in the 1940's.


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    #2061
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You know this source having seen it. I and others cannot find it. [

    Who are the others who cannot Google " Bengal famine 1974" and read the first result that comes up?


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    #2062
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Who are the other who cannot Google " Bengal famine 1974" and read the first result that comes up?


    That refers to a famine in bangladesh, and - as I stated - India has suffered no famines since independence. This has nothing to do with Churchills racist decisions which caused vast suffering in the 1940's.


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    #2063
    janfebmar
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    That refers to a famine in bangladesh, and - as I stated - India has suffered no famines since independence. This has nothing to do with Churchills racist decisions which caused vast suffering in the 1940's.

    East Bengal is now called Bangladesh. The early 1940s famine was in Bengal. I told you that already but obviously geography and history are not your strong points. Has the penny dropped yet?


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    #2064
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    East Bengal is now called Bangladesh. The early 1940s famine was in Bengal. Has the penny dropped yet?




    Yes, bangladesh - a seperate country from india - had a famine.




    What has that to do with churchhills racist decisions in the 1940's?


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    #2065
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Yes, bangladesh - a seperate country from india - had a famine.




    What has that to do with churchhills racist decisions in the 1940's?

    Churchill had his flaws although this interesting article gives some insight into his affection for Ireland.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/winston-churchill-i-hope-there-will-be-a-united-ireland-1.2076998


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    #2066
    janfebmar
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    Yes, bangladesh - a seperate country from india - had a famine.

    Did it ever strike you that the borders of a country may change over time eg post independence? Can you find Pakistan and Banladesh on a map of the world?

    Has the penny dropped yet?


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    #2067
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A few more quotes to illuminate the 'great man'
    I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
    "I cannot understand this squeamishness about the use of gas,

    I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes,
    "It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir… striding half-naked up the steps of the Vice-regal Palace," Churchill said of his anti-colonialist adversary in 1931.

    "Gandhi should not be released on the account of a mere threat of fasting," "We should be rid of a bad man and an enemy of the Empire if he died.

    Yis are welcome to your 'greatest man' tbh.


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    #2068
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Did it ever strike you that the borders of a country may change over time eg post independence? Can you find Pakistan and Banladesh on a map of the world?

    Has the penny dropped yet?


    ..as to why you're avoiding discusssion of Winston churchills decisions? O yes Janfebmar/maryishere/gigino/jimmmy/japer, it has.


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    #2069
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ..as to why you're avoiding discusssion of Winston churchills decisions? O yes Janfebmar/maryishere/gigino/jimmmy/japer, it has.

    Pages and pages of deflection basically.


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    #2070
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Pages and pages of deflection basically.

    Says you/odhinn/davycc etc who only want to talk about criticisms of Churchill.


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    #2071
    _blaaz
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Did it ever strike you that the borders of a country may change over time eg post independence? Can you find Pakistan and Banladesh on a map of the world?

    Has the penny dropped yet?

    Am i reading this correctly....your blaming a famine in india overseen by churchill on a famine several decades later in a different country??



    What a strange corner youve painted yourself into


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