The glorious 12th

FrancieBrady

I thought you couldn't go lower than a British Tory refusing to face up to incipient racism within it's ranks and leadership.

But a new low has been reached in protecting racists in Tory Britian here on on an Irish website.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But a new low has been reached in protecting racists in Tory Britian here on on an Irish website.

Nobody is protecting anyone. Everyone has or had their flaws, Churchill included.
Would it cheer you up if I told you that Churchill said he hoped for a United Ireland? You may change your views on him a bit then?
It was quite funny how you always thought DeValera was a good lad until I told you something you had not known, that he (Dev) had 6 IRA men executed by firing squad in an Irish prison during the war. Your opinion on Dev charged noticeably then.

Nothing is as black and white as you were led to believe Francie.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

Nobody is protecting anyone. Everyone has or had their flaws, Churchill included.
Would it cheer you up if I told you that Churchill said he hoped for a United Ireland? You may change your views on him a bit then?
It was quite funny how you always thought DeValera was a good lad until I told you something you had not known, that he (Dev) had 6 IRA men executed by firing squad in an Irish prison during the war. Your opinion on Dev charged noticeably then.

Nothing is as black and white as you were led to believe Francie.

It really is quite worrying how you lie so easily.

I think David McCullagh's biog was the 4th one I read on Dev.

He was flawed too janfebnar, as is Gerry Adams, as was Russell etc. The point that was made way back before you revealed how historically deranged you are.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He was flawed too janfebnar, as is Gerry Adams, as was Russell etc.

That is what I always said, even again a few posts ago: "Everyone has or had their flaws, Churchill included."

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The point that was made way back before you revealed how historically deranged you are.

LOL. when confronted with new (to you) facts attack the poster. "historically deranged", coming from you! lol. I nearly spilt my tea laughing.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

That is what I always said, even again a few posts ago: "Everyone has or had their flaws, Churchill included."

Great, finally you agree then, if logical (I doubt this) that if Russell's statue has to come down because of a flaw in his characther, so too does any other statue were the subject had 'flaws'.

LOL. when confronted with new (to you) facts attack the poster. "historically deranged", coming from you! lol. I nearly spilt my tea laughing.

Historically deranged refers to someone who thinks that pivoting to a tangent of their own invention, proves the argument it is tangential too.

ILoveYourVibes

Its way past the 12th now.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Great, finally you agree then, if logical (I doubt this) that if Russell's statue has to come down because of a flaw in his characther, so too does any other statue were the subject had 'flaws'.

As someone else said, Winston Churchill saved these islands and the whole of Europe from a barbaric fascist and racist tyranny and our debt to him is incalculable. He was one of the greatest Prime Ministers of the 20th century.
Did anyone elect Russell or what was he famous for again?

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its way past the 12th now.

You are right, and the thread should be closed.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

As someone else said, Winston Churchill saved these islands and the whole of Europe from a barbaric fascist and racist tyranny and our debt to him is incalculable.

No he didn't, you are ignoring the history again. There were many many reasons why the Nazi's were stopped. And many are now accusing Churchill for overseeing and endorsing colonial barbarism himself. A fact you have been deflecting from with deranged historical musings for quite a while now.

He was one of the greatest Prime Ministers of the 20th century.

And he was also a racist and white suprematist and wasn't our PM...Ever.

Did anyone elect Russell or what was he famous for again?

Why would he need to be elected? Enough people thought his service to their cause felt he deserved remembrance in a country were you are free to do this.

ILoveYourVibes

janfebmar wrote: »

You are right, and the thread should be closed.

Not closed.

But there are other discussions to be had about NI.

janfebmar

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Not closed.

But there are other discussions to be had about NI.

But no on a thread called the 12th, when it is derailed by people constantly griping about the failures of the man who led the effort, before others like USA and Russia got involved, to stand up to the Nazis in western Europe.

_blaaz

janfebmar wrote: »

destruction of food? He did'nt actually.

Tbf he did actually persue the policy

As imports dropped, prices shot up and hoarders made a killing. Mr Churchill also pushed a scorched earth policy - which went by the sinister name of Denial Policy - in coastal Bengal where the colonisers feared the Japanese would land. So authorities removed boats (the lifeline of the region) and the police destroyed and seized rice stocks.

Im failing to see why your lying tbh

Odhinn

janfebmar wrote: »

.............

Did you know here in Ireland, In 1844, the year before the Famine, Ireland exported 94,000 tonnes of wheat and 314,000 tonnes of oats, and imported 23,000 tons of wheat. Net exports: 385,000 tonnes.

In 1847, at the height of the Famine, Ireland exported 39,000 tonnes of wheat, and 98,000 tonnes of oats , and imported 199,000 tonnes of wheat, 12,000 tonnes of oats and 682,000 tonnes of maize. Net imports of 756,000 tonnes, a change of 1,140,000 tonnes.

Hence the calls for the Famine to be declared a genocide.

Odhinn

janfebmar wrote: »

As someone else said, Winston Churchill saved these islands and the whole of Europe from a barbaric fascist and racist tyranny and our debt to him is incalculable............ .

Isn't a shame he didn't do it for the nations of Asia, Africa and the middle East.

janfebmar

Odhinn wrote: »

Isn't a shame he didn't do it for the nations of Asia, Africa and the middle East.

Actually millions of people from Asia, Africa and the middle East volunteered and helped the Allied war effort, and found Churchill and the Allied powers far fairer and democratic than the likes of Nazi Germany and Japan.

Odhinn

janfebmar wrote: »

Actually millions of people from Asia, Africa and the middle East volunteered and helped the Allied war effort, and found Churchill and the Allied powers far fairer and democratic than the likes of Nazi Germany and Japan.

.....so fair and democratic that the majority of them rose up in arms in the two decades subsequent to the end of WWII.

janfebmar

Odhinn wrote: »

.....so fair and democratic that the majority of them rose up in arms in the two decades subsequent to the end of WWII.

Decolonisation happened to all the European mainland countries too. And no, the majority of them did not rise up "in arms" against the UK. You need to study the history of commonwealth countries and other countries a bit better.

Odhinn

janfebmar wrote: »

Decolonisation happened to all the European mainland countries too. And no, the majority of them did not rise up "in arms" against the UK. You need to study the history of commonwealth countries and other countries a bit better.

You mean the white majority states didn't in general consistently rise up - with one exception.

_blaaz

janfebmar wrote: »

Decolonisation happened to all the European mainland countries too. And no, the majority of them did not rise up "in arms" against the UK. You need to study the history of commonwealth countries and other countries a bit better.

Be pretty hard to rise againest the uk,since the uk didnt colonise them...only ireland??



How.many european countries are in commonwealth?

janfebmar

_blaaz wrote: »

Be pretty hard to rise againest the uk,since the uk didnt colonise them...only ireland??



How.many european countries are in commonwealth?

It may surprise you to know the European countries all had colonies around the world.

_blaaz

janfebmar wrote: »

It may surprise you to know the European countries all had colonies around the world.

None of which are relevent to this discussion mind

RobMc59

Odhinn wrote: »

.....so fair and democratic that the majority of them rose up in arms in the two decades subsequent to the end of WWII.

Who are you referring to when you say the majority rose up in arms?

citytillidie

Never seen goal posts being moved so often

Churchill wanted a United Ireland yes as kingdom of Ireland tied to the British crown so a return back to what it was before

Odhinn

RobMc59 wrote: »

Who are you referring to when you say the majority rose up in arms?

Kenya, Zimbabwe, Burma etc.

cameramonkey

janfebmar wrote: »

It may surprise you to know the European countries all had colonies around the world.

Not true, not all European countries had colonies.

janfebmar

Odhinn wrote: »

, Zimbabwe

Zimbabwe? How many UK soldiers do you think were killed by someone from Zimbabwe? I'll give you a clew. None. Rhodesia was independent before Zimbabwe even existed.

janfebmar

cameramonkey wrote: »

Not true, not all European countries had colonies.

Only the UK of Britain and Ireland, France, Holland, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Belgium, Germany, Italy...I could go on.
As a home country, we provided 30% of the administration in India.

RobMc59

janfebmar wrote: »

Only the UK of Britain and Ireland, France, Holland, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Belgium, Germany, Italy...I could go on.
As a home country, we provided 30% of the administration in India.

Plus some of it`s finest military commanders.

cameramonkey

janfebmar wrote: »

Only the UK of Britain and Ireland, France, Holland, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Belgium, Germany, Italy...I could go on.
As a home country, we provided 30% of the administration in India.

So you admit you were wrong, thanks now move on.

cameramonkey

RobMc59 wrote: »

Plus some of it`s finest military commanders.

Like these lads.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

janfebmar

cameramonkey wrote: »

So you admit you were wrong

No. To clarify, all western European countries had colonies.