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    #2732
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,165 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    gwalk wrote: »
    No outrage from the Jaffas about the carry on in Tullyally, Co Derry??

    Imagine my shock at their selective outrage ��

    Of course not but come the bogside during this week they will be up in arms again

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    #2733
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    citytillidie wrote: »
    What like a loyalist UDA commander complaining abort Arlene ruining his street cred and all

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45437388

    Or the fact she was meeting loyalist members even giving lots of money via Stormont.

    Or Arlene again meeting a UDA leader after a murder

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/11/arlene-fosters-stance-on-paramilitary-groups-brought-into-question

    Lol. I opened up the link and it said there was no proof that the charity worker Arlene met was a UDA man decades ago.


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    #2734
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    janfebmar wrote: »
    citytillidie wrote: »
    What like a loyalist UDA commander complaining abort Arlene ruining his street cred and all

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45437388

    Or the fact she was meeting loyalist members even giving lots of money via Stormont.

    Or Arlene again meeting a UDA leader after a murder

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/11/arlene-fosters-stance-on-paramilitary-groups-brought-into-question

    Lol. I opened up the link and it said there was no proof that the charity worker Arlene met was a UDA man decades ago.


    Are you genuinely trying to argue that Dee Stitt wasn't in the UDA? I'd respectfully suggest that you may want to look that up a little more before making such idiotic statements.

    I'll give you a clue....take a look at his criminal record - he was convicted for taking part in a UDA robbery, and is fully open about the fact that he was in the UDA until at least 1992, and at least, 'connected to' the UDA after that point.

    As of last year, as per the Newsletter:
    Asked when he left, he said: “Well, listen, here – the bottom line is ... you know, if I turned round and said to you, you know, if I answered that question, that question could put me in prison, you know, so obviously I’m saying that I was ...”

    Surely it would only put him in prison if he answered it a certain way? He replied: “That’s what I’m saying. I was in the UDA before it was proscribed [1992]. After it was proscribed, I left the UDA. Simple. Simple. But I was still involved with the organisation.”


    He said that he “played a meaningful role” in UDA decommissioning in 2009 and that he still has “connections with the UDA”, with some of his best friends in the group, adding: “I still have a role with the organisation, or a relationship with the organisation, to advise them on transition.”


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    #2735
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    Are you genuinely trying to argue that Dee Stitt wasn't in the UDA? I'd respectfully suggest that you may want to look that up a little more before making such idiotic statements.

    I'll give you a clue....take a look at his criminal record - he was convicted for taking part in a UDA robbery, and is fully open about the fact that he was in the UDA until at least 1992, and at least, 'connected to' the UDA after that point.

    As of last year, as per the Newsletter:

    The link says there is no proof he was a commander in the UDA, and there is nothing to suggest he took part in any violence? There are lots of other err community organisations on the other side where people involved had shadowy links and not a comment is made.


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    #2736
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    A photo taken on a foreign holiday does not count Francie. I had a photo taken when I held the wheel of a formula one sports car once when on holiday too, and in a pilot's seat , that does not make me a racing driver or a pilot.

    Yeh, true. He was probably completely unaware that the Israeli's were routing weapons to the UDA. He was just getting a tan.


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    #2737
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    Are you genuinely trying to argue that Dee Stitt wasn't in the UDA? I'd respectfully suggest that you may want to look that up a little more before making such idiotic statements.

    I'll give you a clue....take a look at his criminal record - he was convicted for taking part in a UDA robbery, and is fully open about the fact that he was in the UDA until at least 1992, and at least, 'connected to' the UDA after that point.

    As of last year, as per the Newsletter:

    The link says there is no proof he was a commander in the UDA, and there is nothing to suggest he took part in any violence? There are lots of other err community organisations on the other side where people involved had shadowy links and not a comment is made.

    You stated there was no proof he was a UDA man. He has openly admitted to being in the UDA. Quit talking absolute sh*te.

    Just acknowledge, for once, you're completely, indisputably wrong.


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    #2738
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    You stated there was no proof he was a UDA man. He has openly admitted to being in the UDA. Quit talking absolute sh*te.

    .

    In the link provided at the top of the page it did not say he admitted to being in the UDA. I could not care less to be honest if he was or not, I do not know him and I would be surprised that in some charity or victims organisation there was not someone with shadowy links to a paramilitary. Still no proof he ever committed murder or violence though?

    On the other side of the fence there are how many people in some position who have links to pira or inla?

    And what has the above to do with the SF meps performance in Strabane?


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    #2739
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    You stated there was no proof he was a UDA man. He has openly admitted to being in the UDA. Quit talking absolute sh*te.

    .

    In the link provided at the top of the page it did not say he admitted to being in the UDA. I could not care less to be honest if he was or not, I do not know him and I would be surprised that in some charity or victims organisation there was not someone with shadowy links to a paramilitary. Still no proof he ever committed murder or violence though?

    On the other side of the fence there are how many people in some position who have links to pira or inla?

    And what has the above to do with the SF meps performance in Strabane?

    I wasn't responding to a post about anything in Strabane (though if you must know my opinion, I think it was an absolutely idiotic thing to do, and supremely unhelpful). I was responding to your post where you stated there was no proof Dee Stitt was a UDA man. I provided proof (his own bloody admission that he was a UDA man), I would imagine given his involvement with the UDA, given their usual activities that he was involved in violence at least, and likely murder. I would presume the same of a self-admitted senior IRA member.

    Of course, rather than admit that you weren't just wrong, but spectacularly, embarrassingly wrong, you cop out and pretend you didn't care about it in the first place. If you didn't care, why bring it up?

    Happy to admit you were wrong now by the way?


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    #2740
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    . I provided proof (his own bloody admission that he was a UDA man), I would imagine given his involvement with the UDA, given their usual activities that he was involved in violence at least, and likely murder. I would presume the same of a self-admitted senior IRA member.

    You copied and pasted a few paragraphs but did not give any like. That is not proof he was a UDA man. Was he ever convicted of any UDA offences?

    I can think of many former IRA men who were convicted of offences. Use you loaf;)


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    #2741
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,165 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    After today the Apprentice Boys have burned some bridges with peaceful marching in Derry after they and the PSNI allowed a flute band from Scotland to parade with a Para mofif on their arm. The cops knew it could have lead to something they had to provide a 30 police man escort around the parade route. They were not allowed to march on the return leg.

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    #2742
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    . I provided proof (his own bloody admission that he was a UDA man), I would imagine given his involvement with the UDA, given their usual activities that he was involved in violence at least, and likely murder. I would presume the same of a self-admitted senior IRA member.

    You copied and pasted a few paragraphs but did not give any like. That is not proof he was a UDA man. Was he ever convicted of any UDA offences?

    I can think of many former IRA men who were convicted of offences. Use you loaf;)

    He was convicted for taking part in a UDA robbery. He literally admits to being in the UDA......do you suspect he is lying? I copy/pasted a paragraph and provided a source for that quote. This isn't complicated.

    You're an absolute t*t, Jan. This is next level denial of reality.

    To add further, from a Belfast Telegraph article-
    In a 2013 interview for a Radio Ulster special on the UDA and the flag protests, the convicted armed robber was candid.

    "Yes, I've been to a protest myself in north Down and Bangor. Three protests I've been at as a UDA individual and as a member of the community."

    Belfast Telegraph and the Newsletter (the source of the previous quote) would hardly be described as Provo propaganda sources, would they, Jan?


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    #2743
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    I copy/pasted a paragraph and provided a source for that quote.

    You said it was from the Belfast Telegraph but you did not give a link. I was commenting on the other links which were provided on the man. I do not care less if a unionist politician was photograhed with someone who was once a member of a paramilitary group. Plenty of times they were not just photographed once with them, but had to work in government with them ....how many elected SF politicians has pIRA links?



    citytillidie wrote: »
    After today the Apprentice Boys have burned some bridges with peaceful marching in Derry after they and the PSNI allowed a flute band from Scotland to parade with a Para mofif on their arm. The cops knew it could have lead to something they had to provide a 30 police man escort around the parade route. They were not allowed to march on the return leg.

    And in other news, large signs mocking members of the security forces who were killed by paramilitaries, as well as the late Willie Fraser and his family, have been placed on a large republican bonfire in Newry the other day.


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    #2744
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    I copy/pasted a paragraph and provided a source for that quote.

    You said it was from the Belfast Telegraph but you did not give a link. I was commenting on the other links which were provided on the man. I do not care less if a unionist politician was photograhed with someone who was once a member of a paramilitary group. Plenty of times they were not just photographed once with them, but had to work in government with them ....how many elected SF politicians has pIRA links?



    citytillidie wrote: »
    After today the Apprentice Boys have burned some bridges with peaceful marching in Derry after they and the PSNI allowed a flute band from Scotland to parade with a Para mofif on their arm. The cops knew it could have lead to something they had to provide a 30 police man escort around the parade route. They were not allowed to march on the return leg.

    And in other news, large signs mocking members of the security forces who were killed by paramilitaries, as well as the late Willie Fraser and his family, have been placed on a large republican bonfire in Newry the other day.

    If you don't care, why comment on it, Jan?


    Are you happy, at this point, to acknowledge that, despite your previous hesitancy to accept it, that Dee Stitt was, without any doubt whatsoever, a UDA member? Then we can at least put this little aside to bed.


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    #2745
    gwalk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭gwalk


    janfebmar wrote: »
    And in other news, large signs mocking members of the security forces who were killed by paramilitaries, as well as the late Willie Fraser and his family, have been placed on a large republican bonfire in Newry the other day.

    Ok now do one about Tullyally or does that not fit your agenda?


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    #2746
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    If you don't care, why comment on it, Jan?

    Because someone was commenting on how one Unionist politician once got her photo taken with someone who once had paramilitary connections. Big deal, what percentage of SF had paramilitary connections or worse?


    gwalk wrote: »
    Ok now do one about Tullyally or does that not fit your agenda?

    The only thing I knew about Tullyally was that republicans left some bombs there during the troubles. However I see that the residents have just built a bonfire not unlike that seen a few days ago in Newry. Both bonfires need to be condemned. The extremists on both sides are as bad as each other up north, thank God they will never be united with us.


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    #2747
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    If you don't care, why comment on it, Jan?

    Because someone was commenting on how one Unionist politician once got her photo taken with someone who once had paramilitary connections. Big deal, what percentage of SF had paramilitary connections or worse?

    But that isn't what you said, Jan. You didn't say, 'it's no big deal that she was photographed with a (possibly former, though unlikely) prominent UDA member.

    You said that there was no evidence that Dee Stitt was a UDA member.

    Do you accept that this was inaccurate, and that Dee Stitt was, without any shadow of a doubt, a member of the UDA?

    A simple yes or no will suffice, rather than your low-grade bait and switch tactics.


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    #2748
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,165 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    janfebmar wrote: »
    You said it was from the Belfast Telegraph but you did not give a link. I was commenting on the other links which were provided on the man. I do not care less if a unionist politician was photograhed with someone who was once a member of a paramilitary group. Plenty of times they were not just photographed once with them, but had to work in government with them ....how many elected SF politicians has pIRA links?






    And in other news, large signs mocking members of the security forces who were killed by paramilitaries, as well as the late Willie Fraser and his family, have been placed on a large republican bonfire in Newry the other day.

    Jesus can you not go with whataboutary, two can play at that game picture of Martin McGuinness and others were placed on a bonfire in Derry last night

    _108269339_bonfire.jpg

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49305516

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    #2749
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    You said that there was no evidence that Dee Stitt was a UDA member.

    .

    I said the link that was provided said there was no evidence he was a UDA commander.


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    #2750
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    You said that there was no evidence that Dee Stitt was a UDA member.

    .

    I said the link that was provided said there was no evidence he was a UDA commander.

    A simple yes or no, Jan. Do you accept that Dee Stitt was a member of the UDA?

    No need for the theatrics, selective quoting, half answers. Just a simple one word answer - do you accept that Dee Stitt was a member of the UDA?


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    #2751
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    citytillidie wrote: »
    picture of Martin McGuinness and others were placed on a bonfire in Derry last night

    As I said. And reference was made to named murdered security force personnel, and to Willie Fraiser and family on the bonfire in Newry the previous evening .

    As I said, "The extremists on both sides are as bad as each other up north, thank God they will never be united with us."


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    #2752
    gwalk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭gwalk


    janfebmar wrote: »
    citytillidie wrote: »
    picture of Martin McGuinness and others were placed on a bonfire in Derry last night

    As I said. And reference was made to named murdered security force personnel, and to Willie Fraiser and family on the bonfire in Newry the previous evening .

    More whataboutery

    Imagine my shock


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    #2753
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    citytillidie wrote: »
    Jesus can you not go with whataboutary, two can play at that game picture of Martin McGuinness and others were placed on a bonfire in Derry last night

    _108269339_bonfire.jpg

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49305516

    Looks like a tribute to me.
    They probably took it off before burning.

    They're hardly going to burn the tricolours or Easter lily there featured either.


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    #2754
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    As I said. And reference was made to named murdered security force personnel, and to Willie Fraiser and family on the bonfire in Newry the previous evening .

    As I said, "The extremists on both sides are as bad as each other up north, thank God they will never be united with us."

    Funny how you only blame both sides when your biased nonsense is exposed. :)


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    #2755
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Rodin wrote: »
    Looks like a tribute to me.
    They probably took it off before burning.

    They're hardly going to burn the tricolours or Easter lily there featured either.

    More whataboutery. Any chance you would post the picture of the previous evenings bonfire in Newry now?


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    #2756
    votecounts
    Registered Users Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭votecounts


    Rodin wrote: »
    Looks like a tribute to me.
    They probably took it off before burning.

    They're hardly going to burn the tricolours or Easter lily there featured either.
    assume you're taking the piss


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    #2757
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    More whataboutery. Any chance you would post the picture of the previous evenings bonfire in Newry now?

    Never mind Newry, you are getting roasted here janfebmar. Your hideous defensive work in cinders.


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    #2758
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    You said that there was no evidence that Dee Stitt was a UDA member.

    .

    I said the link that was provided said there was no evidence he was a UDA commander.

    A simple yes or no, Jan. Do you accept that Dee Stitt was a member of the UDA?

    No need for the theatrics, selective quoting, half answers. Just a simple one word answer - do you accept that Dee Stitt was a member of the UDA?


    Hey Jan, think you missed this!?


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    #2759
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    citytillidie wrote: »
    After today the Apprentice Boys have burned some bridges with peaceful marching in Derry after they and the PSNI allowed a flute band from Scotland to parade with a Para mofif on their arm. The cops knew it could have lead to something they had to provide a 30 police man escort around the parade route. They were not allowed to march on the return leg.

    No more appeasement.


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    #2760
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,623 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    If it is a competition nationalists win this summers most disgusting fire, I think the nationalists win easily


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    #2761
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    janfebmar wrote: »
    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    You said that there was no evidence that Dee Stitt was a UDA member.

    .

    I said the link that was provided said there was no evidence he was a UDA commander.

    A simple yes or no, Jan. Do you accept that Dee Stitt was a member of the UDA?

    No need for the theatrics, selective quoting, half answers. Just a simple one word answer - do you accept that Dee Stitt was a member of the UDA?


    Hey Jan, think you missed this!?
    She can express her opinion but cannot categorically say one way or another whether he was a member or not.


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