My €100m BEAM scheme

Bass Reeves

Butcher Boy wrote: »

Heard today from a man in the know that it might not be paid out until next january,

Jayus I heard different again from a man in the know. I heard that it will be paid out in the first two week in December and there ill be a 42% top up because of the lads that did not apply.

TBH I ignore lads in the know.

tanko

Does anyone know for sure if animals sold in a mart which are bought by a factory agent or dealer and killed within 30 days of sale are eligible for the €100/head payment to the farmer who sold them in the mart?

dohc turbo2

tanko wrote: »

Does anyone know for sure if animals sold in a mart which are bought by a factory agent or dealer and killed within 30 days of sale are eligible for the €100/head payment to the farmer who sold them in the mart?

Check ur agfood, it’s up for payment since yesterday

tanko

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Check ur agfood, it’s up for payment since yesterday

Checked there, have been paid on the calves alrite.
Think i should get paid on some cows i sold in the mart that were killed soon after but haven't been. Was just wondering has anyone been paid for animals they sold in the mart which were killed within a month?

sonnybill

tanko wrote: »

Checked there, have been paid on the calves alrite.
Think i should get paid on some cows i sold in the mart that were killed soon after but haven't been. Was just wondering has anyone been paid for animals they sold in the mart which were killed within a month?

The financial tab is down/ unavailable now for me

tanko

sonnybill wrote: »

The financial tab is down/ unavailable now for me

It exploded, it can't cope with all the money you're getting lately:D

Cavanjack

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Check ur agfood, it’s up for payment since yesterday

No beam paid here yet.

Grueller

Cavanjack wrote: »

No beam paid here yet.

Nor here

mr.stonewall

Looked into the exceptional aid measures section on agfood. Can see the application for the first time in a while and it says ready for prepayment validation. So they must be getting ready to pay soon

whelan2

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Looked into the exceptional aid measures section on agfood. Can see the application for the first time in a while and it says ready for prepayment validation. So they must be getting ready to pay soon

Same here on my dad's application

Sugarbowl

No sign of BEAM here but BEEP was paid yesterday.

sonnybill

tanko wrote: »

It exploded, it can't cope with all the money you're getting lately:D

I wish, no sign of the Beam my end though

whelan2

sonnybill wrote: »

The financial tab is down/ unavailable now for me

There's down time every night in financial services on agfood

Base price

tanko wrote: »

Does anyone know for sure if animals sold in a mart which are bought by a factory agent or dealer and killed within 30 days of sale are eligible for the €100/head payment to the farmer who sold them in the mart?

They were suppose to be included. I presume that they did not show in your application. Did you contact the BEAM section at the time. We didn't have any so I'm not 100%.

morphy87

Do ye reckon there will be another beam payment this time next year considering the price of beef was lower this year compared to last year?

tanko

Base price wrote: »

They were suppose to be included. I presume that they did not show in your application. Did you contact the BEAM section at the time. We didn't have any so I'm not 100%.

No, didn't show on application. Appealed it, computer said no, have the option of appealing it further.

Base price

tanko wrote: »

No, didn't show on application. Appealed it, computer said no, have the option of appealing it further.

I would appeal it again as you have nothing to loose. I assume you have a list of tag numbers that you can show were slaughtered within 30 days of sale through the herd number that bought them off you/through the mart.

9.2 - "Where an animal under 9.1.1 has been presented for slaughter by an agent or by a dealer within 30 days of purchase, including those purchased in the mart, payment may issue to the immediate previous herdowner or in respect of the previous eligible herdnumber, where that herdowner is an applicant"
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/beefexceptionalaidmeasure/BEAMTANDC150819.pdf

tanko

Yeah, i have all that info, the word "may" is all very vague in the terms and conditions.

Hurling Hereford

Base price wrote: »

I would appeal it again as you have nothing to loose. I assume you have a list of tag numbers that you can show were slaughtered within 30 days of sale through the herd number that bought them off you/through the mart.

9.2 - "Where an animal under 9.1.1 has been presented for slaughter by an agent or by a dealer within 30 days of purchase, including those purchased in the mart, payment may issue to the immediate previous herdowner or in respect of the previous eligible herdnumber, where that herdowner is an applicant"
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/beefexceptionalaidmeasure/BEAMTANDC150819.pdf

Would agree with Base price 100%, make sure you appeal this decision. Page 5 of the Terms & Conditions reads 'Where an animal under 9.1.1 has been presented for slaughter by an agent or by a dealer within 30 days of purchase, including those purchased in the mart, payment MAY issue to the immediate previous herdowner or in respect of the previous eligible herdnumber, where that herdowner is an applicant. This paragraph is too open to interpretation for my liking, especially the use of the word 'MAY'

djmc

Anyone know when beam will be paid this month

Sugarbowl

It is supposed to be in December so I guess any time from now until Christmas.
My BDGP money was paid on Dec 14th last year so there is still potential days to be paid this no month.

whelan2

Sugarbowl wrote: »

It is supposed to be in December so I guess any time from now until Christmas.
My BDGP money was paid on Dec 14th last year so there is still potential days to be paid this no month.

Payment runs are only once a week now, well for bps anyway.

morphy87

Would any one here be able to tell me is there any where online that I can check my current stocking rate and check what my rate was during this reference period? Just trying to figure out where I stand

Bass Reeves

morphy87 wrote: »

Would any one here be able to tell me is there any where online that I can check my current stocking rate and check what my rate was during this reference period? Just trying to figure out where I stand

On agfood.ie your nitrates statements to end of october will be available.

As well if a member of ICBF you can look it up under reports and stock numbers

morphy87

Bass Reeves wrote: »

On agfood.ie your nitrates statements to end of october will be available.

As well if a member of ICBF you can look it up under reports and stock numbers

Sound for that is it hard to register for that? Would you know off hand the figures for under 12 months and under 24 months and under 36 months? I think I may be tight as I was the guts of two months late selling my cattle,also if you bought cattle on the last day of a month what way would that work or sold cattle in the first day of a month?

Sugarbowl

If you log onto agfood - you can view your BEAM application - there contains all the relevant figures

Base price

I've been keeping an eye on the status of our application and I noticed yesterday that it said "pass". Today it says "complete".

Hopefully payment will issue shortly. If you wish to check the status of your application log onto Agfood and click on Exceptional Aid Measures.
Edit: just read that payments are beginning to be issued.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/beam-payments-worth-e75-million-begin-to-issue/

sonnybill

whelan2 wrote: »

Same here on my dad's application

Creed announced BEAM payments have commenced, mine has changed on agfood to ‘claim complete’

Farmer Dan

Shown on agfood now.
Payment date for 16th.

sonnybill

Farmer Dan wrote: »

Shown on agfood now.
Payment date for 16th.

Same as that but pittance in comparison to what hit we took on our stock price wise, no good for the smaller suckler man anyway

Bellview

sonnybill wrote: »

Same as that but pittance in comparison to what hit we took on our stock price wise, no good for the smaller suckler man anyway

It will be interesting in time how many will read the payment due to not reducing numbers ...

Grueller

Bellview wrote: »

It will be interesting in time how many will read the payment due to not reducing numbers ...

Could well happen here, but that's fine. Interest free loan at a time when money is tight.

Green&Red

Grueller wrote: »

Could well happen here, but that's fine. Interest free loan at a time when money is tight.

Thats it exactly, theres no penalty for not meeting the terms, its a free shot, its unlikely I'll make the limit but you never know

Aravo

For the Beam scheme am I correct in thinking that if one had a few culls to go later in year it would be best to have them gone prior to 01/july 2020. So the reduced numbers (reduced kg) has to commence for this date and up until this date you can work away.

tanko

Aravo wrote: »

For the Beam scheme am I correct in thinking that if one had a few culls to go later in year it would be best to have them gone prior to 01/july 2020. So the reduced numbers (reduced kg) has to commence for this date and up until this date you can work away.

The reduced numbers doesn’t have to start on July 1st 2020. It’s calculated over the following 12 months but the simplest way do do it would be to reduce numbers from the start which is what i will do.

Base price

Aravo wrote: »

For the Beam scheme am I correct in thinking that if one had a few culls to go later in year it would be best to have them gone prior to 01/july 2020. So the reduced numbers (reduced kg) has to commence for this date and up until this date you can work away.

No, wait until after the 1st of July 2020. The period for reduction is from 1/7/2020 to the 30/6/2021.
I edited my post after reading Tanko's below as it could cause confusion.

tanko

The reference period for reduction is July 01 2018 to June 30 2019.
From July 01 2020 to June 30 2021 you have to have 5% less stock or kgs or whatever it is so it would be better to have those cull cows gone before July this year.

mr.stonewall

Would be handy if there was a planning tool linked to stock on aim, with options of putting in predicted sale dates, purchases and births to track progress

Aravo

Base price wrote: »

No, wait until after the 1st of July 2020. The reference period for reduction is from 1/7/2020 to the 30/6/2021.

My reading of things is that you must have your reduction in place from 01/07/20 to 30/06/21. So you cant sell off at end of May 2021 and say that you are then compliant.

tanko

Aravo wrote: »

My reading of things is that you must have your reduction in place from 01/07/20 to 30/06/21. So you cant sell off at end of May 2021 and say that you are then compliant.

It's the average number of number of stock (age dependant of course) over the 12 month period that matters.
If you sold enough cattle at the end of May 21 you could still be compliant.

Base price

Aravo wrote: »

My reading of things is that you must have your reduction in place from 01/07/20 to 30/06/21. So you cant sell off at end of May 2021 and say that you are then compliant.

It clearly says 5% reduction for the period 1/7/20 to the 30/6/21.

Cavanjack

It says on agfood what your kg/N must be for the year. It is 5% below the reference years figures. You could double your stock numbers for the first couple of months if you wanted and reduce hard for the last few months. Doesn’t matter how you do it all long as that figure is right at the end.

kk.man

Cavanjack wrote: »

It says on agfood what your kg/N must be for the year. It is 5% below the reference years figures. You could double your stock numbers for the first couple of months if you wanted and reduce hard for the last few months. Doesn’t matter how you do it all long as that figure is right at the end.

Another option is you reduce beef number by 5% and increase sheep numbers by as much as you can. That really suits the Beef and sheep farmers in the scheme.

Base price

@ tanko - just wondering if you appealed/got sorted for the cows you sold through the mart/factory agent. Considering that there was €25m not claimed I would hope you got paid.

tanko

Computer said no.

bogman_bass

Base price wrote: »

It clearly says 5% reduction for the period 1/7/20 to the 30/6/21.

Yes. It’s the number of cattle you have over that period. Not the number you sell during that period.

josephsoap

Is there any penalties applied if you don’t comply with the conditions of the BEAM scheme (5% reduction bit) ? Would you just have to pay the money back in 2021 ?

Grueller

josephsoap wrote: »

Is there any penalties applied if you don’t comply with the conditions of the BEAM scheme (5% reduction bit) ? Would you just have to pay the money back in 2021 ?

Just pay back

memorystick

Stupid question. Are sheep taken into account for reducing numbers or is it only cattle?

Bass Reeves

memorystick wrote: »

Stupid question. Are sheep taken into account for reducing numbers or is it only cattle?

Only cattle it is bovine nitrates that is calcuy. So you can expand sheep numbers to collect the money.

I think it will impact on the market from late this year on . After a profitable store year lads will push prices up and lads switching over from beam will add pressure to the system.

Now on the other side larger finisher's will have to reduce stock nitrates by 5%.exporting slurry to do that will not suffice. So some really big finisher's if they do not adapt there systems from early on the year may have to take sharp corrective action from late this year or early next year.

Only thing that will help is stock numbers for finishing in the country have reduced since last year