Irishman set to be deported from the US

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dodderangler wrote: »

Libtards are generally referred to the really idiotic liberals. Which is a high percentage of them.
No different than calling someone that’s right wing a redneck. Difference is most of us right wing don’t care about a libs opinion.

So by that logic, a high percentage of right wingers are rednecks. Well, at least you're consistent.

Cryptopagan

MadYaker wrote: »

He's married to an American there a few ways he could have gotten a green card, he didn't even begin the process despite being in the country for over a decade. I'm in favor of immigration but it has to be regulated and controlled via laws. We can't ignore the laws just because the guy has a family. There is a naturalisation process that he could have used to legalize his status, he chose not to do that and that's his fault not the systems.

Apparently he has tried but he can’t because of a previous conviction, which if it really is just for some minor drug thing is incredibly unfortunate. Handing out criminal convictions for minor drug offenses does more harm than good.

Charles Babbage

The coverage of this implies that the family will be 'broken up'. This is rather offensive as it implies that the family would rather break up than just move to Ireland. Ireland is prosperous and not dangerous, being sent there is not a death sentance.

jam_mac_jam

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The coverage of this implies that the family will be 'broken up'. This is rather offensive as it implies that the family would rather break up than just move to Ireland.

I would say it's more to tug on the heartstrings and stop the deportation. Although I don't see how, I would hope Irish politicians would not be involved.

splinter65

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not a case of "copping on"; it's a case of making the point: this is not new. Illegal aliens have been deported under all presidents, but the brutality of it was escalated under Trump.

Brutality? What brutality is there in this case?

dodderangler

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So by that logic, a high percentage of right wingers are rednecks. Well, at least you're consistent.

And what’s wrong with that
What is actually wrong with being called a redneck. I hunt and fish so by your liberal logic I am a redneck. But I had dispute with you before over Hunting on a separate page so I won’t go back there. Because it doesn’t bother me. Because I’m not soft because I’m not a liberal that bases his life on feelings instead of facts.

splinter65

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm not blaming him for anything. I simply said it was happening. It's been happening.

Again, my point is that Deportaion. Is. Not. New.

As for "brutality", I don't remember any previous president - democrat or republican - authorising separating children from parents and locking them in cages.

Putting undocumented children in a cage to protect them until you can establish who their legal but undocumented guardians are in a place full of unaccompanied undocumented males is very sensible.
The alternative is far too risky.

jam_mac_jam

dodderangler wrote: »

And what’s wrong with that
What is actually wrong with being called a redneck. I hunt and fish so by your liberal logic I am a redneck. But I had dispute with you before over Hunting on a separate page so I won’t go back there. Because it doesn’t bother me. Because I’m not soft because I’m not a liberal that bases his life on feelings instead of facts.

Are you from the Southern US or Appalachia, if not then you are not a redneck.

is_that_so

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's all a bit silly.


There is a process in the US to regularize your situation. He would likely have qualified had it not been for these "minor" drugs incidents they referred to. I don't know how minor they are but other than that, he would likely have been fine and well on his way to owning a US passport.


I don't read it as your man looking for extra extra special treatment. But sure he probably knows dozens of people himself who were in the same boat (sans historical drugs issues) and got regularized.

He may have but having been rejected several times he should at least have been considering the possibility that he might need to do something else. Canada is a much nicer country!

is_that_so

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I would say it's more to tug on the heartstrings and stop the deportation. Although I don't see how, I would hope Irish politicians would not be involved.

Politicians that matter won't. There'll be sympathy and offer of consular support but not much else.

whisky_galore

splinter65 wrote: »

Putting undocumented children in a cage to protect them until you can establish who their legal but undocumented guardians are in a place full of unaccompanied undocumented males is very sensible.
The alternative is far too risky.

You could put the males in a cage though.

dodderangler

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Are you from the Southern US or Appalachia, if not then you are not a redneck.

Tell that to the liberals then

tomwaits48

Absolutely no sympathy for him.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dodderangler wrote: »

And what’s wrong with that
What is actually wrong with being called a redneck. I hunt and fish so by your liberal logic I am a redneck. But I had dispute with you before over Hunting on a separate page so I won’t go back there. Because it doesn’t bother me. Because I’m not soft because I’m not a liberal that bases his life on feelings instead of facts.

Hang on - this is YOUR definition of a redneck, not mine!!

I'm not bothered by the name, it's the ignorance of using a deragatory phrase in place of an argument that bothers me. I mean, calling conservatives rednecks is just as ignorant (and that was YOUR phrase, NOT mine)/

When you come into a debate with no argument and just want to call people names, it's pretty much trolling, isn't it?!

splinter65 wrote: »

Putting undocumented children in a cage to protect them until you can establish who their legal but undocumented guardians are in a place full of unaccompanied undocumented males is very sensible.
The alternative is far too risky.

That's what the Christian Brothers said when they took kids from unmarried mothers: but who protects them from the protectors?

(Hypothetical question btw - when you condone child abuse and neglect in this way and try and pass it off as being ethical, I'm not sure I want to know what your answer to that is)

Bob24

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Apparently he has tried but he can’t because of a previous conviction, which if it really is just for some minor drug thing is incredibly unfortunate. Handing out criminal convictions for minor drug offenses does more harm than good.

All of this is pure speculation though. There has been no evidence provided or acknowledgement by US or Irish authorities that the refusal was solely due to the conviction or that the conviction was a minor one (minor is a subjective term anyway, for all we know he and his wife could genuinely think that reselling drugs a few times in your life is a minor offence and US authorities could beg to disagree).

Il Fascista

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That's what the Christian Brothers said when they took kids from unmarried mothers: but who protects them from the protectors?

(Hypothetical question btw - when you condone child abuse and neglect in this way and try and pass it off as being ethical, I'm not sure I want to know what your answer to that is)

One is fiction the other is reality. Children actually get trafficked across the border, or are you doubting that too? Impressive how you manage to get some Catholic Church bashing into your post.

Cryptopagan

Bob24 wrote: »

All of this is pure speculation though. There has been no evidence provided or acknowledgement by US or Irish authorities that the refusal was solely due to the conviction or that the conviction was a minor one (minor is a subjective term anyway, for all we know he and his wife could genuinely think that reselling drugs a few times in your life is a minor offence and US authorities could beg to disagree).

The Irish Times reports it was two charges related to cannabis possession. If it was anything serious you’d be able to google his name and find the court reports from his conviction.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Il Fascista wrote: »

One is fiction the other is reality. Children actually get trafficked across the border, or are you doubting that too? Impressive how you manage to get some Catholic Church bashing into your post.

I'm doubting the reason that splitting up families and putting children in cages is for the child's safety.

I never mentioned the Catholic church, I mentioned the Christian Brothers. Or are you claiming that they never hurt a child either?

jam_mac_jam

Doesn't matter if the conviction was minor or not, those are the rules and the US has the right to decide who lives in their country. It is quite well known that a drug conviction will cause you difficulties with emigration in the US.

You can't just let people stay because they have kids or it encourages everyone to have kids to stay there.

Bob24

Cryptopagan wrote: »

The Irish Times reports it was two charges related to cannabis possession. If it was anything serious you’d be able to google his name and find the court reports from his conviction.

Not really, they are not reporting it as fact. The Irish Times are just quoting his wife saying that their "efforts to secure residency have been hampered by two separate charges of personal use of cannabis from when he was younger in Ireland". The paper is in no way putting its name behind the veracity of that statement.

And by the way even if we are to take what she says as gospel, we are talking about a repeat offence (and regardless of the offence, the simple fact of repeating it after being caught once makes the case to call it "minor" way more difficult).

Berserker

MadYaker wrote: »

He's married to an American there a few ways he could have gotten a green card, he didn't even begin the process despite being in the country for over a decade. I'm in favor of immigration but it has to be regulated and controlled via laws. We can't ignore the laws just because the guy has a family. There is a naturalisation process that he could have used to legalize his status, he chose not to do that and that's his fault not the systems.

Yep, could easily have applied for and gotten a green card as a result of the fact that he is married to a US citizen.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not a case of "copping on"; it's a case of making the point: this is not new. Illegal aliens have been deported under all presidents, but the brutality of it was escalated under Trump.

Lol, there is nothing brutal about this by US standards. He'll be praying that he's deported quickly. Read a few accounts of life in ICE custody and it's no holiday camp. Could be in there for a few months.

Techlit wrote: »

is it true you can stay in california for as long as you like?

Are you talking about sanctuary cities?

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I would say it's more to tug on the heartstrings and stop the deportation. Although I don't see how, I would hope Irish politicians would not be involved.

I can think of a few that'd be more than happy to get involved. RBB, Joan Collins, Claire Daly & Mick Wallace all spring to mind.

Cryptopagan wrote: »

The Irish Times reports it was two charges related to cannabis possession. If it was anything serious you’d be able to google his name and find the court reports from his conviction.

No need to engage in whataboutery regarding the nature of his crime. He broke the law, case closed in this instance. The US is very black and white on the matter.

BorneTobyWilde

I don't get it, I thought if you marry an American you can get citizenship there?

Berserker

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I don't get it, I thought if you marry an American you can get citizenship there?

You need to get a green card first and then get citizenship after that; three years later, if I remember correctly. This chap did neither. Never bothered applying for a green card in the first place. Stayed there illegally on his three month holiday visa since 2007.

BorneTobyWilde

Berserker wrote: »

You need to get a green card first and then get citizenship after that; three years later, if I remember correctly. This chap did neither. Never bothered applying for a green card in the first place. Stayed there illegally on his three month holiday visa since 2007.

So if you go about it correctly an Irish person can marry an American and settle there if they wished?

Bob24

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I don't get it, I thought if you marry an American you can get citizenship there?

I am no US immigration specialist, but what I would think is that once you break some immigration laws (entering or remaining illegally), you are forfeiting your entitlement for most legal immigration routes.

Berserker

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So if you go about it correctly an Irish person can marry an American and settle there if they wished?

No problem at all.

Bob24 wrote: »

I am no US immigration specialist, but what I would think is that once you break some immigration laws (entering or remaining illegally), you are forfeiting your entitlement for most legal immigration routes.

No, they review it on a case by case basis and immigration services will decided whether or not you are up to the standards that are required to gain citizenship. Given the nature of the crimes committed by this guy, coupled with the fact that he's been working on a consistent basis, I think he may have accepted.

jam_mac_jam

19k already in the GoFundMe and he is in every newspaper and on RTE, some very clever PR on this one.

Ronaldinho

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The coverage of this implies that the family will be 'broken up'. This is rather offensive as it implies that the family would rather break up than just move to Ireland. Ireland is prosperous and not dangerous, being sent there is not a death sentance.

According to the Irish Times, one of the kids was fathered by someone else, so moving to Ireland is more complicated.

BorneTobyWilde

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

19k already in the GoFundMe and he is in every newspaper and on RTE, some very clever PR on this one.

How much to buy american citizenship? It's 500,000 Dollars right ? Maybe that should be his GoFunkMe goal.
Buy his citizenship and tell them to go to hell.

Bob24

Berserker wrote: »

No, they review it on a case by case basis and immigration services will decided whether or not you are up to the standards that are required to gain citizenship. Given the nature of the crimes committed by this guy, coupled with the fact that he's been working on a consistent basis, I think he may have accepted.

I am sure it would play against you though.

i.e. all other things being equal an applicant with no history of breaking immigration laws would be see more favourably than someone who was caught overstating their visa/waiver.

Berserker

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

19k already in the GoFundMe and he is in every newspaper and on RTE, some very clever PR on this one.

From 230 contributions. Some very generous people out there ...... What happens to the money that is donated when he gets deported? Have to laugh at some of the comments on that page.

Berserker

Bob24 wrote: »

I am sure it would play against you though.

i.e. all other things being equal an applicant with no history of breaking immigration laws would be see more favourably than someone who was caught overstating their visa/waiver.

It's not a competition. Each case is reviewed and if the crime is not serious and they've been working hard and contributing to society they'll gain citizenship.

jam_mac_jam

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How much to buy american citizenship? It's 500,000 Dollars right ? Maybe that should be his GoFunkMe goal.
Buy his citizenship and tell them to go to hell.

I don't think it works like that.

jetfiremuck

So. If he didn’t or marked no on any document that was used for a visa status change for the US and as is normal in the back ground check then it’s seen as he lied . That’s a refusal right there.

jetfiremuck

Also, people who’ve had past convictions are admitted all the time. It does require extra scrutiny .

weldoninhio

jetfiremuck wrote: »

So. If he didn’t or marked no on any document that was used for a visa status change for the US and as is normal in the back ground check then it’s seen as he lied . That’s a refusal right there.

It is a criminal offence to provide false information for the purposes of obtaining a visa waiver or visa to the US.

Seems he didn't care about the law in Ireland or the US.

James Brown

He's screwed. The only thing that can save him is if they make an exception. Sadly the fact he's applied numerous times and been refused doesn't help, it just means he didn't slip through the cracks, they know all about him and still want him gone.

Berserker

jetfiremuck wrote: »

So. If he didn’t or marked no on any document that was used for a visa status change for the US and as is normal in the back ground check then it’s seen as he lied . That’s a refusal right there.

I'm confused. This man entered the US on a three month tourist visa in the early 00s and stayed there. There were no subsequent visa applications. If a person lies on a visa application in the US, you'll get rejected. Ditto for every other country in the world, I'd imagine.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

He's screwed. The only thing that can save him is if they make an exception. Sadly the fact he's applied numerous times and been refused doesn't help, it just means he didn't slip through the cracks, they know all about him and still want him gone.

May also be the case that we are not getting the full picture. I'm chatting to a few friends in NY about this and they know people with DUIs who've been accepted.

jetfiremuck

weldoninhio wrote: »

It is a criminal offence to provide false information for the purposes of obtaining a visa waiver or visa to the US.

Seems he didn't care about the law in Ireland or the US.

Game set and match as the late Jim Sherwin RTÉ at wimbelton

James Brown

Berserker wrote: »

....

May also be the case that we are not getting the full picture. I'm chatting to a few friends in NY about this and they know people with DUIs who've been accepted.

All I know is he's applied more than once and been told 'no' more than once. That's him done IMO.

dodderangler

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Hang on - this is YOUR definition of a redneck, not mine!!

I'm not bothered by the name, it's the ignorance of using a deragatory phrase in place of an argument that bothers me. I mean, calling conservatives rednecks is just as ignorant (and that was YOUR phrase, NOT mine)/

When you come into a debate with no argument and just want to call people names, it's pretty much trolling, isn't it?!



That's what the Christian Brothers said when they took kids from unmarried mothers: but who protects them from the protectors?

(Hypothetical question btw - when you condone child abuse and neglect in this way and try and pass it off as being ethical, I'm not sure I want to know what your answer to that is)

Wrong. That is a liberals definition. I’m simply stating exactly what they assume of a redneck. Pretty sure you also called some type of reference to that last time you seemed to disagree with the fact I hunt.
You an deny it all you want but liberals like you always will.

tuxy

What the **** did you just ****ing say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the **** out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my ****ing words. You think you can get away with saying that **** to me over the Internet? Think again, ****er. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're ****ing dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little ****. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ****ing tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will **** fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're ****ing dead, kiddo.

Mod: Stop reporting this please. It's a meme.

dodderangler

tuxy wrote: »

What the **** did you just ****ing say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the **** out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my ****ing words. You think you can get away with saying that **** to me over the Internet? Think again, ****er. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're ****ing dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little ****. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ****ing tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will **** fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're ****ing dead, kiddo.

Seven hundred yards
Pfffft I can drop you in eight.



Nice T-shirt you’re wearing today btw.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dodderangler wrote: »

Wrong. That is a liberals definition. I’m simply stating exactly what they assume of a redneck. Pretty sure you also called some type of reference to that last time you seemed to disagree with the fact I hunt.
You an deny it all you want but liberals like you always will.

This is the first time I've heard anyone use it, but no matter - it's ignorant, and the liberal who used it is ignorant.

I've compared the phrases "all liberals are...." to "all conservatives are..." with various endings to highlight the ignorance of said terminology, no matter what group is being labeled or who is doing the labeling.

It's simply used as a means to hide the fact that the person using it - be they liberal, conservative or whatever - is not actually making any relevant point to the debate in question, they're just opportunists hurling insults.

I've nothing against conservatives (or liberals) - I've some conservative (and liberal) viewpoints of my own - as long as they can debate intelligently and respectfully.

End of debate. We're supposed to be talking about an Irish guy who overstayed his welcome and got deported.

BorneTobyWilde

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't think it works like that.

Sure it does, it's a price, one can buy it, the wealth Chinese buy citizenship there a lot. It's 500k I think.

weldoninhio

Berserker wrote: »

I'm confused. This man entered the US on a three month tourist visa in the early 00s and stayed there. There were no subsequent visa applications. If a person lies on a visa application in the US, you'll get rejected. Ditto for every other country in the world, I'd imagine.



May also be the case that we are not getting the full picture. I'm chatting to a few friends in NY about this and they know people with DUIs who've been accepted.

He apparently entered under the Visa Waiver scheme. You can only do this if you have no convictions. If you have a conviction you have to go to the US embassy and apply for a visa, depending on the severity of the crime etc you may be given a visa. He seems to have lied so that he could travel under the visa waiver scheme.

James Brown

Kivaro wrote: »

This.
And those on the liberal left are probably not paying the €160 television tax. It's those that RTE are continuously assailing (the working man and woman) that is paying the money to keep their "stars" and board in such a high living standard.

What tripe. Seriously. So anyone liberal, looking for a forever home, unemployed, working poor and pretending to be homeless are the left?
Seriously boss come off it
If anything RTE are soft on the government IMO. Also do you think Tubbs, Dobson and the like vote PBP?

knipex

Danzy wrote: »

America is moving away from neoliberal politics, in some regards, expect more of this.

There is nothing new about this. The US has been deporting people since before I was born. I know people who were deported in the 80's..

knipex

listermint wrote: »

There no way in hell that figure is true.

Find an alternative source so. But I strongly suspect that it is.

jam_mac_jam

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Sure it does, it's a price, one can buy it, the wealth Chinese buy citizenship there a lot. It's 500k I think.

Sure it doesn't. You can't just buy citizenship there are going to be a lot of other conditions probably including not having being convicted of a crime.
Something tells me he is not going to make 500k on a gofund me anyway.