BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

Mjolnir

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is it wrong that i immediately dont trust any vehicle posted on adverts?

I like that Clio a lot but it seems way too cheap, no? A 2010 1.2 Clio would be multiples of that.

Love the Colt, love the Puma too (specially the stereo it looks OE?) But with low and Covid extensions i'm not sure if they are great bangernomics.

11 year old 1.6 petrol with €570 tax p/a
There's not a huge market for it and to most of the average Irish car buying market it's not desirable in anyway.

RandomViewer

Mjolnir wrote: »

11 year old 1.6 petrol with €570 tax p/a
There's not a huge market for it and to most of the average Irish car buying market it's not desirable in anyway.

Old Renaults would be a money pit

Mjolnir

RandomViewer wrote: »

Old Renaults would be a money pit

Anything old and French is a money pit haha
You could throw a stone in a crowded room and fail to hit anyone remotely interested in it.

Toyotafanboi

Quazzie wrote: »

Here ya go

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-clio-sport-1-6gt/27379553?campaign=14

Now ya can trust it for some reason

You're far too kind :rolleyes:

Toyotafanboi

Mjolnir wrote: »

11 year old 1.6 petrol with €570 tax p/a
There's not a huge market for it and to most of the average Irish car buying market it's not desirable in anyway.

I dont know a huge amount about fast Renaults but 197's and 182's usually command a good premium, i suppose what i'm saying is why does that one not?

Too cheap IMO. Possibly a catch.

RandomViewer

Mjolnir wrote: »

Anything old and French is a money pit haha
You could throw a stone in a crowded room and fail to hit anyone remotely interested in it.

Wouldnt be as afraid of a Peugeot

RandomViewer

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I dont know a huge amount about fast Renaults but 197's and 182's usually command a good premium, i suppose what i'm saying is why does that one not?

Too cheap IMO. Possibly a catch.

Not fast enough or durable or insurable enough for boy racers, not practical enough for anyone else, most likely somebody will van it

Mjolnir

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I dont know a huge amount about fast Renaults but 197's and 182's usually command a good premium, i suppose what i'm saying is why does that one not?

Too cheap IMO. Possibly a catch.

They are only 126 hp iirc
The 197 and 182 are obviously much closer to 200bhp
Don't think that gt had much of a following

wotzgoingon

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I dont know a huge amount about fast Renaults but 197's and 182's usually command a good premium, i suppose what i'm saying is why does that one not?

Too cheap IMO. Possibly a catch.

It's only 130bhp that's going by memory. I could be wrong but it's in and around that figure. Far cry from a RS model Clio.

Mjolnir

wotzgoingon wrote: »

It's only 130bhp that's going by memory. I could be wrong but it's in and around that figure. Far cry from a RS model Clio.

I'd argue that given you can get a 4 year younger gt for just under 5k that that gt is over priced if anything

Andrew33

Mjolnir wrote: »

Anything old and French is a money pit haha.

Just French? You can apply that statement to almost any car from any country.
Old Brit? Old German? Old Italian?
They’ll all have issues and cost you money.

Mjolnir

Andrew33 wrote: »

Just French? You can apply that statement to almost any car from any country.
Old Brit? Old German? Old Italian?
They’ll all have issues and cost you money.

I'd take a 60's American car over anything old a French anyway.

True enough you can, but we were specifically talking about a clio and French cars, hence the comment about French cars. That being said mk4 golf's can be incredibly hard to kill

Andrew33

Mjolnir wrote: »

I'd take a 60's American car over anything old a French anyway.

True enough you can, but we were specifically talking about a clio and French cars, hence the comment about French cars. That being said mk4 golf's can be incredibly hard to kill

It would definitely depend on what STATE that American car came from.
True enough re Golf and some other cars. There are always exceptions to the rule. Personally, I think ANY car from any country/maker built after 2010(ish) will succumb to the scrapyard far quicker than anything before then. Built in obsolescence has seen to that. I mean, cars are better built, more reliable etc etc so our roads should be jammed with “premium” cars from Merc, BMW etc but they’re not. Where do they all go? Same with mk4 Discos, they used to clog up the carparks in Stillorgan Shopping centre along with mk1 XC90s, thin on the ground now.

Mjolnir

Andrew33 wrote: »

It would definitely depend on what STATE that American car came from.
True enough re Golf and some other cars. There are always exceptions to the rule. Personally, I think ANY car from any country/maker built after 2010(ish) will succumb to the scrapyard far quicker than anything before then. Built in obsolescence has seen to that. I mean, cars are better built, more reliable etc etc so our roads should be jammed with “premium” cars from Merc, BMW etc but they’re not. Where do they all go? Same with mk4 Discos, they used to clog up the carparks in Stillorgan Shopping centre along with mk1 XC90s, thin on the ground now.

Oh god yea dry state or nothing
It's like anything make them last a shorter period of time so the consumer has to buy one sooner and sell more products ultimately.

Can anyone remember the car that was made with rusty metal to begin with actually? I remember seeing something about it but can't remember which car it was. Says it all really.

Andrew33

Mjolnir wrote: »

Can anyone remember the car that was made with rusty metal to begin with actually? I remember seeing something about it but can't remember which car it was. Says it all really.

There is a story about Italian car makers buying Japanese steel (or the other way around) in late 70s/early 80s which bred the legends that Italian/Japanese cars of that era rusted faster than you could get them out of the showrooms. Notorious rusters but the reputations were definitely encouraged at the time by British media to divert attention from how terrible the BL stuff was.

Mjolnir

Andrew33 wrote: »

There is a story about Italian car makers buying Japanese steel (or the other way around) in late 70s/early 80s which bred the legends that Italian/Japanese cars of that era rusted faster than you could get them out of the showrooms. Notorious rusters but the reputations were definitely encouraged at the time by British media to divert attention from how terrible the BL stuff was.

Was that it? I watched a documentary on it donkeys years ago and it just sprung to mind.
Was there an old land rover that hand a similar story or am I dreaming that up?
My mate has one of those old defenders holey uncomfortable rot box's.

Mjolnir

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/passat-1-9-tdi-new-nct/27217757

That looks clean as.
If it was in the 08 tax bracket I'd personally call about it tomorrow.

RandomViewer

Andrew33 wrote: »

There is a story about Italian car makers buying Japanese steel (or the other way around) in late 70s/early 80s which bred the legends that Italian/Japanese cars of that era rusted faster than you could get them out of the showrooms. Notorious rusters but the reputations were definitely encouraged at the time by British media to divert attention from how terrible the BL stuff was.

Datsun120y and Corolla K20 literally dissolved , running gear was common transplant to Escort, Fiat 127 rusted excessively too,

W123-80's

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is it wrong that i immediately dont trust any vehicle posted on adverts?

I like that Clio a lot but it seems way too cheap, no? A 2010 1.2 Clio would be multiples of that.

Love the Colt, love the Puma too (specially the stereo it looks OE?) But with low and Covid extensions i'm not sure if they are great bangernomics.

Haha. I'm the same.
Bad and all as it sounds, I don't even open advert.ie links in this thread!
I have picked up a few bits on adverts over the years. Flower pots and the like but I just can't take it serious for cars.
Before I get lambasted, I fully appreciate that is probably judgemental, narrow minded and illogical but there you go..:pac:

KevRossi

Mjolnir wrote: »

Can anyone remember the car that was made with rusty metal to begin with actually? I remember seeing something about it but can't remember which car it was. Says it all really.

Mercedes W123's were notorious for rust. Used to see a huge amount of 15 year old cars in Germany being exported in the 90's as they were total basket cases.

S-Class W126 also had a couple of weak spots, problem being they were in hard to access areas and cost a lot to fix. Anything over 12 years of age was at risk.

Living in Germany in the 90's, we used to take the W126's to Hungary, left them there for a few weeks to get fixed and a full respray, took them back to Germany, new TUV and sold them on.

2ndcoming

I might be alone here but I like that little Clio more than a lot of the stuff that gets thrown up here.

I can see why it's cheap, far easier to sell a 1 litre in Ireland and it doesn't have the prestige of a 197 or 182, but for €2k or a bit less it would be a fun little driver for the kind of pissing about I'm doing these days and am likely to do for the foreseeable.

There's only one other on Donedeal: it's a 2015, it is a Renaultsport and it's €13k.

Must be missing my Saxo VTR from when I was a chung fla.

2ndcoming

It has me thinking, what would be a good bang for your buck hot hatch from the past 10 years? There isn't much competition out there...

And I don't mean Golfs or Focuses I mean proper little hot hatches in the spirit of the 205gti, Renault 5 GT etc.

Duke O Smiley

2ndcoming wrote: »

It has me thinking, what would be a good bang for your buck hot hatch from the past 10 years? There isn't much competition out there...

And I don't mean Golfs or Focuses I mean proper little hot hatches in the spirit of the 205gti, Renault 5 GT etc.

We’ve had a few Suzuki Swift Sports and 100 hp Pandas in this thread in the past

Mjolnir

2ndcoming wrote: »

It has me thinking, what would be a good bang for your buck hot hatch from the past 10 years? There isn't much competition out there...

And I don't mean Golfs or Focuses I mean proper little hot hatches in the spirit of the 205gti, Renault 5 GT etc.

By excluding golf's you're basically excluding the hot hatch poster boy but

Renault 197/182
Supercharged Cooper
Up gti
Leon cupra
S1
Civic type r
I30 n

Those would be off the top of my head the more highly regarded ones to varying degrees from about ten years or more ago

2ndcoming

It really is a dying breed.

Leon is a Golf, Civic, Focus, Astra etc are all that slightly bigger class.

You have the rare and mad dear like the S1, the Abarth 500, the Renaultsport. I wouldn't go near a Mini tbh but they ain't all that mini anyway.

There is a Polo GTI but again, rare and too expensive to be worthwhile.

For Forks Sake

Mjolnir wrote: »

By excluding golf's you're basically excluding the hot hatch poster boy but

Renault 197/182
Supercharged Cooper
Up gti
Leon cupra
S1
Civic type r
I30 n

Those would be off the top of my head the more highly regarded ones to varying degrees from about ten years or more ago

Fiesta ST

Polo GTi (newer one with the 200hp engine), but they're rarer than rocking horse sh1t

Citroen DS3 Racing - even rarer than the Polo

Magown3

I presume he's talking about fun cars within the bangernomics budget.

A well looked after Ignis Sport would fall within budget.
Colt CZ5
Mini Cooper
Fabia VRS (1.9 TDi version) (Prob not under 2k limit tho)

alastair

Andrew33 wrote: »

There is a story about Italian car makers buying Japanese steel (or the other way around) in late 70s/early 80s which bred the legends that Italian/Japanese cars of that era rusted faster than you could get them out of the showrooms. Notorious rusters but the reputations were definitely encouraged at the time by British media to divert attention from how terrible the BL stuff was.

Fiat / the Italian government got a load of Soviet steel in exchange for the tech and production plants they sold Lada. That allegedly poor quality steel, and iffy quality control on their new Naples plant - a subsidised venture to try and bring some industrial wealth to the south - meant that the Alfasud got a reputation of rusting in the factory. The same steel was used by all the Italian manufacturers, and impacted all their reputation for rotting.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla/27388382



88 Corolla hatch with tax til July and NCT all the way to September 2022, €1950

2 owners, low miles. Won't appeal to everyone but I think this is lovely for the money, and I'd say that its not something that is ever likely to depreciate if kept in good nick.

CoBo55

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla/27388382



88 Corolla hatch with tax til July and NCT all the way to September 2022, €1950

2 owners, low miles. Won't appeal to everyone but I think this is lovely for the money, and I'd say that its not something that is ever likely to depreciate if kept in good nick.

That looks really lovely, not stupid money either a far nicer looking car than the saloon. Mayo?? couldn't be further away...