BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

wotzgoingon

Gary Jealous Bum wrote: »

Very interesting car! Surprised it's not faster 0-60 8-8.5 seconds) with that much power and torque. Were they known to be any good, or just a fancy Passat?

It weighs well over 2 tonne.

26000 Elephants

punisher5112 wrote: »

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

It’s no better or worse than my previous 1.3 Corolla, never bothered me

But having the system that's suppose to save fuel it's terrible.

I don't think they are about saving fuel as much as being as efficient as possible and being capable of zero emissions when needed. Regardless of how they are operated, all their energy has to come from burning petrol. Most people just use the motors to boost the low HP of the engine, completely negating any advantages.

On the 2 occasions this year where I was stuck with renting a hybrid (thanks, Enterprise) I never got any great fuel economy. In fact the hybrid Auris was worse than the petrol one I rented earlier.

cadaliac

grogi wrote: »

It's definitely not a fancy Passat. Rather a less fancy Bentley Continental...

Fantastic car, but not to be run on shoestring budget...

The 4-motion would scare me off that car, + tax

Mad_Mike

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2005-volkswagen-phaeton/23073771



1 owner, low miles, 12 months NCT - €2k

Suspiciously cheap or just a realistic seller?

Serious amount of car there for that money!
I've actually been looking at the Audi A8 with same engine recently, and hard to find anything decent around that age for less than double the price of that :eek:

26000 Elephants

cadaliac wrote: »

grogi wrote: »

It's definitely not a fancy Passat. Rather a less fancy Bentley Continental...

Fantastic car, but not to be run on shoestring budget...

The 4-motion would scare me off that car, + tax

How different is 4-motion from the garden haldex setup used in other Vagmobiles?
My biggest fear with a car like that would access to proper diagnostic software. I take it VCDS wont do a Phaeton?

0lddog

26000 Elephants wrote: »

...... I take it VCDS wont do a Phaeton?

Is supported

I'd say a good trade would be to buy it to break on mainland Europe

26000 Elephants

Ok, so phaeton uses torsen setup from A8, so nothing too frightening there. With the right software and access to reasonable budget, that phaeton shouldn't be too difficult to run.

Bangernomics it wont be, alas.

bear1

I read that the repairs bills for that car can be eye watering.
Wanted a 4.0tdi once and saw the reviews of owners who were quoted 5 figure sums to replace the turbos.

grogi

bear1 wrote: »

I read that the repairs bills for that car can be eye watering.
Wanted a 4.0tdi once and saw the reviews of owners who were quoted 5 figure sums to replace the turbos.

Premium product, premium pricing...

26000 Elephants

Meh, I was quoted €840 by Alfa romeo to fit a new alternator to a Giulietta with stop/go. Got a s/h one on Ebay and had it fitted, all done just €150.

€10,000+ would be hardly typical to do a turbo on a 3.0tdi?

A range rover sport I would well believe it, the whole bloody body has to come off....

lawred2

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Meh, I was quoted €840 by Alfa romeo to fit a new alternator to a Giulietta with stop/go. Got a s/h one on Ebay and had it fitted, all done just €150.

€10,000+ would be hardly typical to do a turbo on a 3.0tdi?

A range rover sport I would well believe it, the whole bloody body has to come off....

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwEtKss83cU

That's outrageous. Designers should be shot with balls of their own sh!t for that.

KB22

I have read that RANGE ROVER allow 4 hour's labour, for a warranty claim- for removal of body! I dread to think the hourly rates from SPIRIT or STEWART'S.

bear1

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Meh, I was quoted €840 by Alfa romeo to fit a new alternator to a Giulietta with stop/go. Got a s/h one on Ebay and had it fitted, all done just €150.

€10,000+ would be hardly typical to do a turbo on a 3.0tdi?

A range rover sport I would well believe it, the whole bloody body has to come off....

This could well be when it was new or at a dealers. Read it a long time ago.

terrydel

lawred2 wrote: »

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwEtKss83cU

That's outrageous. Designers should be shot with balls of their own sh!t for that.

It's not thru error or incompetence they do it imo. More a combination of doing it purposefully and not giving a ****e cos they know it'll be paid. Motorbikes are worse, they make changing a headlight bulb a 3-4 job on most of them.

wotzgoingon

lawred2 wrote: »

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwEtKss83cU

That's outrageous. Designers should be shot with balls of their own sh!t for that.

That's mad. If that wasn't so high up you would be afraid the body would fly off in a crash. A bad a crash like high speed. It would never happen that unless it crashed into something high up, higher than the LR frame so direct hit to the body.

slipperyox

The beauty is, you bolt that body on a vintage chassis, and voila, €56 tax and vintage insurance:D

alias no.9

26000 Elephants wrote: »

I don't think they are about saving fuel as much as being as efficient as possible and being capable of zero emissions when needed. Regardless of how they are operated, all their energy has to come from burning petrol. Most people just use the motors to boost the low HP of the engine, completely negating any advantages.

On the 2 occasions this year where I was stuck with renting a hybrid (thanks, Enterprise) I never got any great fuel economy. In fact the hybrid Auris was worse than the petrol one I rented earlier.

The Honda IMA has no electric only mode, so never runs zero emissions, the electric motor just adds a little extra to the petrol engine.

Mervyn Skidmore

selectamatic wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2009-renault-megane-3-estate/22827568

I've this in saved my watch list just purely because it seems like good value. Owner has had it since may 2018 and its a fresh modern looking car for the money.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-octavia-2009-estate/22708433

I'd say this is a very good example. Owner has had it since June 2012 and it looks well minded. It's way overpriced though. But surely he knows at this stage he won't get 3k for it. Sub 2k would be about right getting the seller to see it that way would be the hard part.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-octavia-estate/23061714

I bet this is clean and well looked after too. Same owner since December 16 and supposedly a full services history. Asking €850 very short test though and its in Mayo and it's only a 07.

What's reliability like in these?

ba_barabus

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

What's reliability like in these?

Both are pretty good actually.

Mervyn Skidmore

Still on the lookout for a small petrol in the northwest. Had a look at a clio which was rough as hell, a Yaris where the engine sounded like a bag of spanners, and a fiesta which was decent but e1500 for 2005, and the seller wouldn't budge on the price. Any opinions about this? Yes it's ugly.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-kia-rio-ex-1-4l-138k-km-nct-01-20/22833586

jharr100

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Still on the lookout for a small petrol in the northwest. Had a look at a clio which was rough as hell, a Yaris where the engine sounded like a bag of spanners, and a fiesta which was decent but e1500 for 2005, and the seller wouldn't budge on the price. Any opinions about this? Yes it's ugly.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-kia-rio-ex-1-4l-138k-km-nct-01-20/22833586

Only a couple of weeks away if you were to do an early test for 15 months NCT.

And you're right, it's ugly.

Duke O Smiley

That looks a nice example of a very unremarkable car. Test is a bit short but I doubt you’d have much trouble getting it through another in January.

They are grand cars really. Not the last word in refinement but it will get you from A to B fairly sound. I would say it’s only worth about a grand with a fresh NCT though.

Rows Grower

Looks like a bargain to me, they are a very reliable car and that looks like a well looked after low mileage unit, snap it up.

CharlieCroker

My parents have an 06 one. It's been faultless

Iseedeadpixels

Feckin civic bit the bullet today so back to bangernomics for me.....with no money :pac:

colm_mcm

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Still on the lookout for a small petrol in the northwest. Had a look at a clio which was rough as hell, a Yaris where the engine sounded like a bag of spanners, and a fiesta which was decent but e1500 for 2005, and the seller wouldn't budge on the price. Any opinions about this? Yes it's ugly.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-kia-rio-ex-1-4l-138k-km-nct-01-20/22833586

They’re a great yoke.

punisher5112

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Feckin civic bit the bullet today so back to bangernomics for me.....with no money :pac:

As in it died or you killed it?

terrydel

jharr100 wrote: »

Only a couple of weeks away if you were to do an early test for 15 months NCT.

And you're right, it's ugly.

There's uglier around.
Timing chain on them I believe, they are meant to be very reliable.

W123-80's

'05 Audi A2 1.4 diesel
121k miles
NCT April '20
Tax Nov '19
Asking €1,600

Cool little cars

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a2/22915605

colm_mcm

Buy them while they’re cheap