Gangland Shootings Cont'd [Mod Note in Post #1 updated 27/01/20

Honest rob

Any news on the person who was shot three times and ran over by a car today in Waterford

hatrickpatrick

I'm confused about one thing I must say, and maybe I'm being naive here: Whenever a hit team or even a lone hitman is arrested and prosecuted, it never seems to get publicly linked to any of the masterminds behind these feuds. Take the three people who were prosecuted for the Avondale House shooting in the Hutch / Kinahan feud - surely with so many people having been arrested and prosecuted to some degree, with a fair number of convictions, there'd be some element of witness protection deals for some of these people? I find it hard to believe that people who were merely paid to carry out a hit (as opposed to people for whom it was personal because the hit was revenge for one of their own family or crew getting killed) would have any serious level of loyalty which would lead them to keep quiet when looking at sentences reaching in to the double digits.

I know there's the obvious threat of intimidation etc, but I would have thought that at least some of these people would still have decided to save their own asses and rat out the ringleaders by now. Leads me to wonder are there possibly secret prosecutions already being planned behind closed doors. I find it very hard to believe that with a feud of the kind of magnitude we're talking about with either, for instance, the Hutch/Kinahan feud or feuds involving the Gucci gang, that none of the lower level guys or hired guns has been willing to say "get me off the charge and I'll give you the big man himself on a silver plate".

Of course, in a country as small as Ireland, I have no idea if or how witness protection would even work. But it would greatly surprise me if it hasn't been attempted?

Collie D

I’m not even sure if it’s possible in Ireland to do a plea bargain although I’d imagine the Guards are happy to turn a blind eye to minor offences in exchange for info before a charge hits the DPP’s desk. But could you imagine the uproar if murderers were let off the hook even if it was to catch someone higher up the ladder?

ghostfacekilla

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm confused about one thing I must say, and maybe I'm being naive here: Whenever a hit team or even a lone hitman is arrested and prosecuted, it never seems to get publicly linked to any of the masterminds behind these feuds. Take the three people who were prosecuted for the Avondale House shooting in the Hutch / Kinahan feud - surely with so many people having been arrested and prosecuted to some degree, with a fair number of convictions, there'd be some element of witness protection deals for some of these people? I find it hard to believe that people who were merely paid to carry out a hit (as opposed to people for whom it was personal because the hit was revenge for one of their own family or crew getting killed) would have any serious level of loyalty which would lead them to keep quiet when looking at sentences reaching in to the double digits.

I know there's the obvious threat of intimidation etc, but I would have thought that at least some of these people would still have decided to save their own asses and rat out the ringleaders by now. Leads me to wonder are there possibly secret prosecutions already being planned behind closed doors. I find it very hard to believe that with a feud of the kind of magnitude we're talking about with either, for instance, the Hutch/Kinahan feud or feuds involving the Gucci gang, that none of the lower level guys or hired guns has been willing to say "get me off the charge and I'll give you the big man himself on a silver plate".

Of course, in a country as small as Ireland, I have no idea if or how witness protection would even work. But it would greatly surprise me if it hasn't been attempted?

Witness protection in Ireland is not attractive due to the ineptitude of our civil service.
Also, after Johnny Carroll's demise...the publicly documented abuse that the relative(s) of Joey O Brien that chose not to move were on the receiving end of....it was a warning shot to anyone willing to testify that witness protection won't give you anything worth having. The accused never got prosecuted. A lifetime in hiding and for what?! The guards let slip he was a registered informant for years, which the state witness denied.
Keep in mind the difficulty that some of these most likely drug addicted, raised in rough corporation flats would fare learning a new language and settling into a civilised way of life in continental europe.
Another point is, it's a skill in criminality now to remove yourself completely from the crime your paying someone to do. I would be very surprised if any of the future kinahan cartel hitmen will ever be in the same building as Daniel kinahan. So, it will be difficult for 'caught red-handed hitmen' to give up who the police are hoping to nab.

Gadgetman496

ghostfacekilla wrote: »

Witness protection in Ireland is not attractive due to the ineptitude of our civil service.
Also, after Johnny Carroll's demise...the publicly documented abuse that the relative(s) of Joey O Brien that chose not to move were on the receiving end of....it was a warning shot to anyone willing to testify that witness protection won't give you anything worth having. The accused never got prosecuted. A lifetime in hiding and for what?! The guards let slip he was a registered informant for years, which the state witness denied.Keep in mind the difficulty that some of these most likely drug addicted, raised in rough corporation flats would fare learning a new language and settling into a civilised way of life in continental europe.Another point is, it's a skill in criminality now to remove yourself completely from the crime your paying someone to do. I would be very surprised if any of the future kinahan cartel hitmen will ever be in the same building as Daniel kinahan. So, it will be difficult for 'caught red-handed hitmen' to give up who the police are hoping to nab.

NorthCity

Collie D wrote: »

I’m not even sure if it’s possible in Ireland to do a plea bargain although I’d imagine the Guards are happy to turn a blind eye to minor offences in exchange for info before a charge hits the DPP’s desk. But could you imagine the uproar if murderers were let off the hook even if it was to catch someone higher up the ladder?[/QUOTE

I thought the gardai were trying to goad Freddy Thompson into giving information against his fellow lowlifes , It would have been sickening to see him disappear with a new identity and a million euro a year of our money , I think during the Veronica Guerin murder trial a guy name Russell Warren went into witness protection ?? He may have been the first in the state to do so .

Horizontal smile

NorthCity wrote: »

Collie D wrote: »

I’m not even sure if it’s possible in Ireland to do a plea bargain although I’d imagine the Guards are happy to turn a blind eye to minor offences in exchange for info before a charge hits the DPP’s desk. But could you imagine the uproar if murderers were let off the hook even if it was to catch someone higher up the ladder?[/QUOTE

I thought the gardai were trying to goad Freddy Thompson into giving information against his fellow lowlifes , It would have been sickening to see him disappear with a new identity and a million euro a year of our money , I think during the Veronica Guerin murder trial a guy name Russell Warren went into witness protection ?? He may have been the first in the state to do so .

charles bowden

declanleo

gw123gw wrote: »

CL?

D L in coolock

Horizontal smile

declanleo wrote: »

D L in coolock

did he shoot KF?

gw123gw

The gray bird wrote: »

He killed his father who was his mate at the time.

yes DL was killed and im guessing CL is the one videoing?

Ratbags

gw123gw wrote: »

yes DL was killed and im guessing CL is the one videoing?

I’m confused now so the DL was killed in March this year by his own son? CL

guccimain

Ratbags wrote: »

I’m confused now so the DL was killed in March this year by his own son? CL

No DL 2009 Clare Hall ..Google is your friend.. CL is his son..has been described as feral by papers recently, describing the situation in darndale. Few searches with the last few sentences will give you an idea of what we're dealing with.

Horizontal smile

is CL connected to the sanabar thing?

gw123gw

Horizontal smile wrote: »

is CL connected to the sanabar thing?

so the papers say

Ratbags

gw123gw wrote: »

so the papers say

Anyone got the video private message of it would be nice

TallyRand

Ratbags wrote: »

Anyone got the video private message of it would be nice

Me too, do think it is fred son involved in video

gw123gw

TallyRand wrote: »

Me too, do think it is fred son involved in video

he young and bold but think he making mistake starting with RL, but at same time RL got too many enemies to deal with all at same time

The gray bird

gw123gw wrote: »

he young and bold but think he making mistake starting with RL, but at same time RL got too many enemies to deal with all at same time

Hes backed up by ***** from all over the place. Its crazy tho bro there too young

10000maniacs

3 stabbings in Cork. 2 fatal stabbings up North. What is it about the festive season?

Alliance123

gw123gw wrote: »

he young and bold but think he making mistake starting with RL, but at same time RL got too many enemies to deal with all at same time

RL would have known him since the day he was born and prob even babysat him no wonder he was laughing at him. That kid is acting out and trying to make a name after his pals such as JD were got this year.

The gray bird

Alliance123 wrote: »

RL would have known him since the day he was born and prob even babysat him no wonder he was laughing at him. That kid is acting out and trying to make a name after his pals such as JD were got this year.

Hes not just acting out the kid is every bit as dangerous as RL they both have done it sure we say.

Dodge

He’s being called reckless here fwiw

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-probe-if-iranian-gangland-victim-was-shot-dead-with-gun-owned-by-murdered-man-38169221.html

Alliance123

Horizontal smile wrote: »

did he shoot KF?

And the rest.

starbaby2003

TallyRand wrote: »

Me too, do think it is fred son involved in video

This would also suggest that https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/father-26-shot-dead-on-his-birthday-inquest-hears-1.2558540

Alliance123

Shame to see young jordan hutch gone off the radar now with the boxing. Looked a good one and into it full time

beertons

10000maniacs wrote: »

3 stabbings in Cork. 2 fatal stabbings up North. What is it about the festive season?

Pulled a few crackers, lost them all. Some people can't take anything other than a win, or they lose the head completely.

Rows Grower

https://www.herald.ie/news/cartel-crony-lifted-over-40k-armed-robbery-of-city-cash-in-transit-van-38810648.html

Rows Grower

https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/i-would-have-killed-the-b-grandad-on-gun-charges-said-court-told-38810641.html

utyh2ikcq9z76b

10000maniacs wrote: »

3 stabbings in Cork. 2 fatal stabbings up North. What is it about the festive season?

Alcohol/drugs in excess

BDI

It’s always the same bunch of second names that keep popping up. Somewhere back in time a pile of criminals were raised and they just raised piles of criminals and scattered them all over Dublin .