Gangland Shootings Cont'd [Mod Note in Post #1 updated 27/01/20

Odelay

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

A punch in the nose isn't going to fix it for any of them though. You just have to mind your own business unless its your son/ daughter.

The war on drugs finally won thanks to young lad offering punches on the nose.

ElBastardo1

Odelay wrote: »

The war on drugs finally won thanks to young lad offering punches on the nose.

Who knew it could be so simple? :pac:

I knew a lad who owed a few quid, ended up having to store 40Ks worth out his back garden to repay. Gardai got tipped off, raided his house and he did 4 years. He's now a shell of a man since then, He used to be really witty and clever. met him a few years back and he was just not at home. Sad, he was a decent fella. He fancied himself to be a bit of a hard man and it just didn't work for him.

septictank

Tony Tucker wrote: »

They never drank in Hanlons so id be surprised if its on there.

No idea where it is but I agree with you, it's hardly Hanlons, bit of history there aswell.

Stevieluvsye

Depends who'll take them!

Obviously different but the afters for David Byrnes funeral were in the Belgard!

€20k cash handed over the bar for drinks all round.

Remember driving up the Belgard road that lunchtime and there were 3 check points which if you know the Belgard road would be seen as excessive

The Enbalmer

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

Who knew it could be so simple? :pac:

I knew a lad who owed a few quid, ended up having to store 40Ks worth out his back garden to repay. Gardai got tipped off, raided his house and he did 4 years. He's now a shell of a man since then, He used to be really witty and clever. met him a few years back and he was just not at home. Sad, he was a decent fella. He fancied himself to be a bit of a hard man and it just didn't work for him.

Fella I used to know was at the same game except he thought he was being smart doing rip-offs.

Word got back that he was stiffing people over their drugs and his mates shot him in the back of the head as he pissed in a field.

not yet

Tony Tucker wrote: »

They never drank in Hanlons so id be surprised if its on there.

city arms

Tony Tucker

not yet wrote: »

city arms

That was their spot but its not big enough for a Hutch funeral.

ElBastardo1

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Fella I used to know was at the same game except he thought he was being smart doing rip-offs.

Word got back that he was stiffing people over their drugs and his mates shot him in the back of the head as he pissed in a field.

It happens all too often. You only have to owe these guys 200euro and they have you in their pocket. They can ask you to do whatever and you have to or you can get badly hurt. I lived in an old council estate, the amount of young lads and girls that died from drugs was shocking. The newspapers don't report on people dying from ODs, but they happen all the time. Most of them died from Heroin though, some really nice kids ended up slipping into it. I remember one lad who was 24 died in his sleep, his father was involved with Sinn Fein. The rumours went about, the IRA were coming in to clean the place up. Never happened.


The area I was from was only small, The Dunne family lived there though and are famous for bringing Heroin to Ireland. for an area of maybe 200 houses, we had people murdered, drive bys, maybe 50 junkies, Anti Drug marches, full scale riots, at least 2-3 deaths a year from drugs. Just imagine Finglas/ Talllght/ Blanch are 10 times the scale of this. How can the Government fix this? Legalisation IMO wont work either.

Cocaine and pills have a sexyness to it, people look the same the next day and can live a normal life. Just don't owe people money. I don't think Heroin is the problem it used to be back in the 80s/ 90s but that stuff destroyed families. You just don't recover from being a Heroin addict, its destroys your brain and it shows. No one sets out to being one of the walking zombies you see about town.

Stevieluvsye

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

It happens all too often. You only have to owe these guys 200euro and they have you in their pocket. They can ask you to do whatever and you have to or you can get badly hurt. I lived in an old council estate, the amount of young lads and girls that died from drugs was shocking. The newspapers don't report on people dying from ODs, but they happen all the time. Most of them died from Heroin though, some really nice kids ended up slipping into it. I remember one lad who was 24 died in his sleep, his father was involved with Sinn Fein. The rumours went about, the IRA were coming in to clean the place up. Never happened.


The area I was from was only small, The Dunne family lived there though and are famous for bringing Heroin to Ireland. for an area of maybe 200 houses, we had people murdered, drive bys, maybe 50 junkies, Anti Drug marches, full scale riots, at least 2-3 deaths a year from drugs. Just imagine Finglas/ Talllght/ Blanch are 10 times the scale of this. How can the Government fix this? Legalisation IMO wont work either.

Cocaine and pills have a sexyness to it, people look the same the next day and can live a normal life. Just don't owe people money. I don't think Heroin is the problem it used to be back in the 80s/ 90s but that stuff destroyed families. You just don't recover from being a Heroin addict, its destroys your brain and it shows. No one sets out to being one of the walking zombies you see about town.

I remember it well although that was working for the Eastern Health Board on Parnell Road with the CWO's.

The area covered some really deprived drug riddled places at the time. We used to have to do house visits in places like Rutland Grove, Dolphin House, St Theresa's all around Donore avenue and the amount of times people would be flooding their own flats, houses to get a cheque for a replacement and you knew most of it was being spent on Drugs.

Very pleasant to deal with but was sad all the same.

Then you'd hear the stories about so and so being found dead from an OD. Was most prevalant especially in the flats in Theresa gardens

The Enbalmer

Stevieluvsye wrote:

Then you'd hear the stories about so and so being found dead from an OD. Was most prevalant especially in the flats in Theresa gardens

Dunno what they call it in Ireland but a Hot Shot OD was very common in the US and Australia.
Basically it was a killing of a person who was using IV drugs. You'd simply give them a bag of uncut heroin and they'd usually die from not being used to the purity.

Lots of guys got heroin habits in prison in the UK after mandatory testing for cannabis was I introduced. Cannabis would stay in your system for up to a month whereas heroin is gone after a day or so. Guys who normally smoked dope ended up getting strung out in prison and then ODing once they got a street deal which is 10x stronger than prison gear.

Stevieluvsye

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Dunno what they call it in Ireland but a Hot Shot OD was very common in the US and Australia.
Basically it was a killing of a person who was using IV drugs. You'd simply give them a bag of uncut heroin and they'd usually die from not being used to the purity.

Lots of guys got heroin habits in prison in the UK after mandatory testing for cannabis was I introduced. Cannabis would stay in your system for up to a month whereas heroin is gone after a day or so. Guys who normally smoked dope ended up getting strung out in prison and then ODing once they got a street deal which is 10x stronger than prison gear.

I'm not sure of what the statistics are but i always remember you'd see needles a lot more than you do today.

Maybe junkies are a bit more discreet

ElBastardo1

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

I'm not sure of what the statistics are but i always remember you'd see needles a lot more than you do today.

Maybe junkies are a bit more discreet

Heroin is no way as popular as it was in the 80s/ 90s. Teenagers see the damage, they may want a good time but they know heroin is a bad road. Junkies (I don't actually like using the term) become a laughing stock with teenagers. They become weak and are ridiculed. They become almost child like. No one thinks they have a great life. Coke is what they want.

on a side note:

I seen CAB target small time dealers recently, they arrived unannounced and took a 141 VW Golf off a lad. This is the stuff that hurts them. That crew in Fingal, Parker, Little, the lad shot in Darndale. If Gardai had the right to remove their Rolex's and the YSL bum bags that would drive them mad. They want the flashy stuff, but if your on the Dole, you shouldn't be able to afford that stuff. If the Gardai had the power to do this a low levels, you would see a reaction.

IRE60

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

The area I was from was only small, The Dunne family lived there though and are famous for bringing Heroin to Ireland. for an area of maybe 200 houses, we had people murdered, drive bys, maybe 50 junkies, Anti Drug marches, full scale riots, at least 2-3 deaths a year from drugs. Just imagine Finglas/ Talllght/ Blanch are 10 times the scale of this.

Know it well - had a few mates up there, ran the gauntlet getting to their houses at times! That was indeed a small area blighted with gear.

Righteouswrong

Did hutch fly over for the funeral? I’d be surprised if he didn’t.

Stevieluvsye

Righteouswrong wrote: »

Did hutch fly over for the funeral? I’d be surprised if he didn’t.

Or did he drive!

ElBastardo1

IRE60 wrote: »

Know it well - had a few mates up there, ran the gauntlet getting to their houses at times! That was indeed a small area blighted with gear.

When I lived there I just thought everywhere was like that. I also remember thinking that when you grew up you started to talk with slurred speech as normal. The reason was my Friends older brothers and sisters were taking Heroin. So I, being naive thought this was normal. there was a huge difference between people smoking and injecting Heroin. The lads that smoked it weren't as obvious.

what year would you have been knocking around up there? Houses are 400k in there now, crazy to think.

Tony Tucker

Surely if Gerry was back we would of heard by now.

shanec1928

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

I'm not sure of what the statistics are but i always remember you'd see needles a lot more than you do today.

Maybe junkies are a bit more discreet

definitely not, had to listen to a junkie on the bus going on about collecting his score from the bathrooms in Houston at the weekend.

IRE60

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

what year would you have been knocking around up there? Houses are 400k in there now, crazy to think.

Would have been the early 80's! Was in school in c/t so knew a good few in the area.

Unfortunately I got on the radar of the Val's and Co and that was that - never carried 'odds' if I was around there!

House prices are mental there and more so on the Avenue - last about 3 weeks on the market - gone!

gazzer

Tony Tucker wrote: »

They never drank in Hanlons so id be surprised if its on there.

Probably be on in the City Arms on Prussia St.

Tony Tucker

gazzer wrote: »

Probably be on in the City Arms on Prussia St.

Someone said that earlier alright. Its a tiny place though and id expect a big turn out for this funeral. Probably a hotel and the die hards will be in the arms later on.

Gadgetman496

Gardai surround the funeral of John Hutch but brother Gerry 'The Monk' not in attendance.



https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/the-monk-john-hutch-funeral-16632112

ElBastardo1

IRE60 wrote: »

Would have been the early 80's! Was in school in c/t so knew a good few in the area.

Unfortunately I got on the radar of the Val's and Co and that was that - never carried 'odds' if I was around there!

House prices are mental there and more so on the Avenue - last about 3 weeks on the market - gone!

Not many of the Vals left, seen Ed V was in a Prison Doc a few years back.

Seems to be a quiet area now when i drive though. 20 years since I moved out of there.

Tony Tucker

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Gardai surround the funeral of John Hutch but brother Gerry 'The Monk' not in attendance.



https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/the-monk-john-hutch-funeral-16632112

The picture tells a story. Complete wipe out of that family.

Stevieluvsye

Who in there right mind would turn up to one of their funerals, nearly gaurenteed to have your mug in the paper/on line

fcuk that!

pablo128

Tony Tucker wrote: »

The picture tells a story. Complete wipe out of that family.

Relax there. Only 3 of them were killed.

Billy Mays

Last Hutch funeral was in O'Tooles or Parnells GAA club I think

Stevieluvsye

TheKid2019 wrote: »

4 wore killed. Gary, Eddie, Gareth and Derek. Now he's died too.

Is that you Dirk

pablo128

TheKid2019 wrote: »

4 wore killed. Gary, Eddie, Gareth and Derek. Now he's died too.

He died of natural causes. But you are right, 4 were killed. Not exactly a wipeout.

Suckit

pablo128 wrote: »

He died of natural causes. But you are right, 4 were killed. Not exactly a wipeout.

4 members of one family killed for crime not a complete wipe out, but it is pretty much a drubbing in my book.