Rugby World Cup 2019 Japan The hunt for Webb Ellis

FrancieBrady

Phew for Scotland! And us maybe.

ScrubsfanChris

So happy to see that get penalised, happens far too often.

Gbear

Spot on. Stupid, reckless stuff by Fidow.

The offside was bad enough, when you're desperately trying to stop a try on the line, but that's daft.

prawnsambo

Deleted User wrote: »

We have 15-20degree C humidity which makes it feel much much hotter than 20C

BUT they have 25-30C and the humidity!

Ah yeah. Just pointing out that we have it all year round. Our version in the summer is energy sapping. Would hate to have to play rugby in what they're experiencing.

prawnsambo

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

So happy to see that get penalised, happens far too often.

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FrancieBrady

Would have been great to see Samoa score from there!

Fair call, harsh as it's nigh on impossible to wrap a player already on the ground but correct. Feel for the lad

FrancieBrady

First duck egg of this WC I think.

Samoa looked out on their feet at the end there.

Peckham

KrustyUCC wrote: »

They could beat Japan alright but Japan would be heavy favourites

Bookies have Scotland as favourites to win that match (and that was before today's game). Not sure why, but guess money talks!

Gotfoodforphil

Posted this in the ticket thread but got nothing, just wondering if anyone would be selling 2x tickets to the Russia game? In Japan at the moment

walshb

Peckham wrote: »

Bookies have Scotland as favourites to win that match (and that was before today's game). Not sure why, but guess money talks!

I saw that after Japan beat Ireland. Scotland favorites...

I don't see an issue here.

Scotland would have been favorites before our loss.....

We were flat, didn't perform to our best. Japan were good, but still Japan....nothing exceptional.

I think Scotland are better.

lawred2

walshb wrote: »

I saw that after Japan beat Ireland. Scotland favorites...

I don't see an issue here.

Scotland would have been favorites before our loss.....

We were flat, didn't perform to our best. Japan were good, but still Japan....nothing exceptional.

I think Scotland are better.

Ah I'm not at all sure that that was the case..

What does "Japan were good, but still Japan" mean?

As for Scotland are better! What's that based on? Seriously!? While Ireland have had a disappointing 2019 - they've still beaten Scotland twice.

FrancieBrady

walshb wrote: »

I saw that after Japan beat Ireland. Scotland favorites...

I don't see an issue here.

Scotland would have been favorites before our loss.....

We were flat, didn't perform to our best. Japan were good, but still Japan....nothing exceptional.

I think Scotland are better.

Scotland will be better if they stop Japan going wide. Japan are limited and usually ship big defeats if you succeed in doing that. We didn't, simple as.

sydthebeat

lawred2 wrote: »

Ah I'm not at all sure that that was the case..

What does "Japan were good, but still Japan" mean?

As for Scotland are better! What's that based on? Seriously!? While Ireland have had a disappointing 2019 - they've still beaten Scotland twice.

Scotland were 8 points favourites before our loss, and two point favourites after

lawred2

sydthebeat wrote: »

Scotland were 8 points favourites before our loss, and two point favourites after

genuine misread on my part... thought it was favourites to win group not favourites to beat Japan



carry on

munsterlegend

walshb wrote: »

I saw that after Japan beat Ireland. Scotland favorites...

I don't see an issue here.

Scotland would have been favorites before our loss.....

We were flat, didn't perform to our best. Japan were good, but still Japan....nothing exceptional.

I think Scotland are better.

Japan also best South Africa last World Cup who are better than Scotland and got walloped by Scotland a few days later. Yes I know they were unlucky with scheduling. I think Scotland will be up against it with the ref and not just playing 15 Japanese.

Yurt2

Scotland are sh*te. They have a couple of good individuals like Hogg and yerman on the wing that looks like Sick Boy from Trainspotting, but they seem incredibly limited otherwise.

Japan on the other hand are coached extremely well, are committed and have a high-tempo game that will break Scotland just like they broke Ireland.

Legalfarmer89

Pity Samoa let them in for the Bonus point. Scots could beat Japan but it will be 50/50. Samoa were very poor, far cry from 8 years ago when they weren’t far off beating Wales and South Africa.

The Island Nations have been pretty poor at this World Cup so far.

Still think Ireland may top the Group but depends on between Japan and Scotland .Ive a feeling that Scotland could turn them over and it will come down to bonus points.

Would be great for the tournament if Japan could make the quarterfinals. Sorry to say Scotland will only get hammered by New Zealand if they advance. Hard to know what Ireland will do at this stage.

Squidgy Black

I'm really impressed at Japan's ability to maintain fast ball from the ruck, I honestly thought we were going to shut them down at the breakdown and force them to play at a slower tempo, with Watson out for Scotland they're going to struggle keeping up with the tempo, similar to what happened to Ireland.

Squidgy Black

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I'm really impressed at Japan's ability to maintain fast ball from the ruck, I honestly thought we were going to shut them down at the breakdown and force them to play at a slower tempo, with Watson out for Scotland they're going to struggle keeping up with the tempo, similar to what happened to Ireland.

That was the most bizarre thing from the game. The ball speed they had was insane.

Loafing Oaf

Legalfarmer89 wrote: »

Still think Ireland may top the Group but depends on between Japan and Scotland .Ive a feeling that Scotland could turn them over and it will come down to bonus points.

Am I right in thinking that if Ireland scoop the win bonus points against Russia and Samoa, they're guaranteed to finish ahead of Scotland?

Podge_irl

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that if Ireland scoop the win bonus points against Russia and Samoa, they're guaranteed to finish ahead of Scotland?

Yes. One bonus would suffice in fact (bar a 3 way tie).

Loafing Oaf

Podge_irl wrote: »

Yes. One bonus would suffice in fact (bar a 3 way tie).

Cheers. Although given how Samoa's games against Russia and Scotland transpired, you'd have thought both were virtually guaranteed, barring complacency/catastrophic indiscipline/ a batch of dodgy sushi...

walshb

lawred2 wrote: »

Ah I'm not at all sure that that was the case..

What does "Japan were good, but still Japan" mean?

As for Scotland are better! What's that based on? Seriously!? While Ireland have had a disappointing 2019 - they've still beaten Scotland twice.

I meant that they were still Japan, not some historically great team with a rich rugby history. We were very much favored to beat them.

Scotland I think will beat Japan. Better? Ok, maybe wrong to say this, but I think when they meet, Scotland will win.....

razorblunt

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I'm really impressed at Japan's ability to maintain fast ball from the ruck, I honestly thought we were going to shut them down at the breakdown and force them to play at a slower tempo, with Watson out for Scotland they're going to struggle keeping up with the tempo, similar to what happened to Ireland.

Looks like Jamie Ritchie is bang in form though.

Eod100

Japan are 13/8 to beat Scotland. Would be interesting to know what they were pre Ireland Japan match

bmcc10

Eod100 wrote: »

Japan are 13/8 to beat Scotland. Would be interesting to know what they were pre Ireland Japan match

8/1

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

Japan are 13/8 to beat Scotland. Would be interesting to know what they were pre Ireland Japan match

Scotland were 8 point favourite, now they are 2 point favourites

PTH2009

Could Japan be after blowing there load against us and struggle for the rest of the tournament ?

prawnsambo

PTH2009 wrote: »

Could Japan be after blowing there load against us and struggle for the rest of the tournament ?

Judging by what I saw of Samoa, I don't think they've anything to fear there. Other than injuries. Scotland may be a different matter and even though they have good gaps between matches, fatigue may become a factor. I don't think they have the strength in depth necessary to get them all the way if there are injuries or niggles.

Podge_irl

PTH2009 wrote: »

Could Japan be after blowing there load against us and struggle for the rest of the tournament ?

No.

FrancieBrady

PTH2009 wrote: »

Could Japan be after blowing there load against us and struggle for the rest of the tournament ?

They might not struggle but they have certainly given Scotland a huge heads up that I think they will capitalise on and knock Japan out. They 'should', but then we are dealing with an unreliable Scottish team.
Fascinating group now.

Eod100

Think Scotland's tbp v Samoa there very important. Can get to a max of 15 now. 14 if they hadn't.

If Japan beat Samoa with a tbp, they will be on 14. If Scotland hadn't got the tbp, a lbp for Japan v Scotland whether Scotland got a win with tbp or not would have Japan on 15, Scotland 14. Could prove fairly decisive!

All fairly academic at this point, but kinda interesting all the same.

Cork Boy 53

PTH2009 wrote: »

Could Japan be after blowing there load against us and struggle for the rest of the tournament ?

They should beat Samoa though maybe not with a bonus point. I would think they have a 50/50 chance of winning against the Scots. Depends what Scotland team turn up on the day.

penybont exile

prawnsambo wrote: »

Just on this 'leading with the forearm' thing and not to disrupt the riveting conversation about intra-national hatred or whatever, but Poite disposed of that quickly by saying (quite correctly) that he was holding the ball to his chest at the point of initial impact. Now you can call that leading with the forearm, but you'd be effectively telling players to enter the tackle with the ball held somewhere else other than to the chest.

The penalty was given for what he did afterwards, which was to then push away with the forearm culminating with him pushing at his throat.

Thanks for the clarification ..... but leading with the forearm .... pushing away with the forearm .... semantics really....

If I recall the incident correctly he was holding the ball with one arm .... making contact with his opponent with the other.

NeonWolf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6jcY3siCTA

Watch this video of George North. It's quite eye opening.

Every carry an unpunished "Kerevi".

prawnsambo

penybont exile wrote: »

Thanks for the clarification ..... but leading with the forearm .... pushing away with the forearm .... semantics really....

If I recall the incident correctly he was holding the ball with one arm .... making contact with his opponent with the other.

No. It was his ball carrying arm that made the first contact. I'm pretty sure...

And now you're making me doubt myself. :eek:

Must look for footage.

FrancieBrady

NeonWolf wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6jcY3siCTA

Watch this video of George North. It's quite eye opening.

Every carry an unpunished "Kerevi".

I thought fending with the elbow was illegal? North got away with a few there.

Just reading there about Ardie Savea's goggles that he'll be wearing going forward

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116243874/rugby-world-cup-all-blacks-no-concerns-about-ardie-saveas-eye-issues-goggles

Better safe than sorry, Ardie has become a key player for the AB's recently. I'd go so far to say that he's almost their most important player atm. An absolute machine.

NeonWolf

Basil3 wrote: »

Just reading there about Ardie Savea's goggles that he'll be wearing going forward

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116243874/rugby-world-cup-all-blacks-no-concerns-about-ardie-saveas-eye-issues-goggles

Better safe than sorry, Ardie has become a key player for the AB's recently. I'd go so far to say that he's almost their most important player atm. An absolute machine.

He has been irrepressible . Such a good attitude, with a refreshing effervescence to his play. Carries big. Tackles big. Smile on the face. Love th bloke. Hope his eye is ok .


Has he been playing that good on one eye ???? Remarkable if so.

penybont exile

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I thought fending with the elbow was illegal? North got away with a few there.

100% agree ..... as i said previously this is going to get picked up more often now with safety edicts, multiple cameras and eagle eyed TMO's ....

Sabre0001

Despite it being England (booooo! ), I've been enjoying the Rising Sons series on YouTube. Interesting looks behind the scenes and you get to hear about some of the preparation. In the latest episode, for example, Eddie talks about trying to recreate the flying and short turn around for a game in their WC warmups, which basically gives them one proper training session.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPc3VCMF89o

prawnsambo

prawnsambo wrote: »

No. It was his ball carrying arm that made the first contact. I'm pretty sure...

And now you're making me doubt myself. :eek:

Must look for footage.

So I found footage here. It's not great, but Kerevi has the ball in his right arm and his left is wrapped over it going into the tackle. He then pushes at Patchell with his left forearm and that rides up to Patchell's throat. If I'm right, he would have been fine had his fend stayed on Patchell's chest. I think.

razorblunt

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They might not struggle but they have certainly given Scotland a huge heads up that I think they will capitalise on and knock Japan out. They 'should', but then we are dealing with an unreliable Scottish team.
Fascinating group now.

They also won't get as easy a ride off the ref as Gardner gave them.

FrancieBrady

prawnsambo wrote: »

So I found footage here. It's not great, but Kerevi has the ball in his right arm and his left is wrapped over it going into the tackle. He then pushes at Patchell with his left forearm and that rides up to Patchell's throat. If I'm right, he would have been fine had his fend stayed on Patchell's chest. I think.

That is what the ref explained to him as far as I remember. Fine to begin with but not where it ended up.

Eod100

Jesse Kriel ruled out for SA

endabob1

razorblunt wrote: »

They also won't get as easy a ride off the ref as Gardner gave them.

No but they have the Kiwi guy that reffed Fiji Australia so brilliantly.......

shootermacg

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That is what the ref explained to him as far as I remember. Fine to begin with but not where it ended up.

Nothing to see there. If you tackle that high what can you expect?

endabob1

Eod100 wrote: »

Jesse Kriel ruled out for SA

Shame, he's an excellent player and as well as centre he provides cover at full back & wing at a push, expect Steyn to get some game time in the centre now

razorblunt

endabob1 wrote: »

No but they have the Kiwi guy that reffed Fiji Australia so brilliantly.......

O'Keefe? That's not good for anyone!
He was looking directly at the Lavinini shoulder charge too and called nothing.

Eod100 wrote: »

Jesse Kriel ruled out for SA

Willemse in as a replacement.