NBP part II

oscarBravo

heavydawson wrote: »

How will that work practically for NBI? Will they provide the ONTs to each reseller that wants to use their network? So the ONT is NBI, but the router/wifi will be Virgin/Eir/Sky/Whoever....?

It will work like open eir or SIRO FTTH now: the installation contractor for the wholesale operator installs the ONT, and the retail operator provides the router.

I'm not sure where the idea of the ONT being provided to the reseller comes from.

ED E

oscarBravo wrote: »

It will work like open eir or SIRO FTTH now: the installation contractor for the wholesale operator installs the ONT, and the retail operator provides the router.

I'm not sure where the idea of the ONT being provided to the reseller comes from.

Andy

ED E

plodder wrote: »

I guess fibre is new here. So they are being naturally cautious about that kind of risk. They have a lot more experience with it in Spain. So, it seems natural to look there for future trends.

Though is (coax) cable not also a shared medium to some extent? And given that it's electrical rather than optical, I imagine the theoretical risks are greater...

And Virgin will never let you supply your own gear, I wonder why.....


Anyone who works with commodity optics for long enough will have come across a failed unit txing way above threshold and causing a link down. That optic wouldn't have to handshake here to nuke all upstream traffic and kill the run. The rumoured unit cost for one of the VDSL modems was €4.50 - you get quality for less than the price of a pint.

smelly sock

Virgin and other providers want you to use their kit for troubleshooting reasons mainly. You can always buy the likes of a netgear nighthawk like i have and bridge.

tuxy

ED E wrote: »

Andy

Every so often someone comes along and says they have insider info that open eir are testing one.
Then 12 months go by with nothing happening.

ED E

smelly sock wrote: »

Virgin and other providers want you to use their kit for troubleshooting reasons mainly. You can always buy the likes of a netgear nighthawk like i have and bridge.

You've entirely missed the point.

The Cush

Manifesto Day

Fianna Fáil

Deliver High-Speed Universal Fibre to the home broadband

Fine Gael has signed a contract for a disastrously expensive broadband plan that will not deliver for rural Ireland. Its costs have exploded from €500m to over €3bn and rising and is years behind schedule without a contract being signed. In 2020 only 2% of rural homes will be connected. It will take another seven years at least before the remaining homes and businesses are connected. We will uphold our contractual obligations and ensure it is delivered as quickly as possible.

https://www.fiannafail.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Fianna-Fail-General-Election-Manifesto-2020.pdf

heavydawson

Fine Gael has signed a contract

...

without a contract being signed

...

uphold our contractual obligations

Loving the consistency.

Johnboy1951

The Cush wrote: »

Manifesto Day

Fianna Fáil

Deliver High-Speed Universal Fibre to the home broadband

Fine Gael has signed a contract for a disastrously expensive broadband plan that will not deliver for rural Ireland. Its costs have exploded from €500m to over €3bn and rising and is years behind schedule without a contract being signed. In 2020 only 2% of rural homes will be connected. It will take another seven years at least before the remaining homes and businesses are connected. We will uphold our contractual obligations and ensure it is delivered as quickly as possible.

https://www.fiannafail.ie/wp-content...festo-2020.pdf

Do I understand this correctly?
Fianna Fail would intend to continue this "disaster" in spite of its serious shortcomings? That is their promise?

heavydawson

Yes, they'll ensure they'll deliver a disastrously expensive broadband plan that will not deliver for rural Ireland as quickly as possible because they're contractually obliged to do so.

It's not just a promise, it's a contractual obligation. :-)

AlmightyCushion

heavydawson wrote: »

Yes, they'll ensure they'll deliver a disastrously expensive broadband plan that will not deliver for rural Ireland as quickly as possible because they're contractually obliged to do so.

It's not just a promise, it's a contractual obligation. :-)

A contractual obligation that both has and hasn't been signed.

fergus1001

AlmightyCushion wrote:

A contractual obligation that both has and hasn't been signed.

has so

Pique

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

A contractual obligation that both has and hasn't been signed.

Schrodinger's contract.

fieldofsheep

Fine Gael have also mentioned it in their own manifesto:

Fine Gael has taken the decision to
roll out the NBP through National
Broadband Ireland. It means that we
will be one of the first countries in
the world to ensure that every home,
business and farm has access to highspeed broadband. The number of
households with access to high-speed
broadband has increased from 52% in
2016 to 77% in 2019. We will increase
this to 100%.
This is the largest and most significant
investment ever in rural Ireland. It will
be as revolutionary in the 21st century
as rural electrification was for the 20th
century.
No other political party backed this
decision. In order to score political
points, they were happy for rural Ireland
to wait.
This decision is central to delivering
the balanced regional development
that is at the heart of Project Ireland
2040. It will enable flexible and remote
working, smart health with online GP
and nursing services and medical
monitoring, cloud-based services and
connected devices, smart farming
opportunities, digital learning and
reliable electronic payments and
bookings for people and businesses
in every part of the country.

and

The National Broadband Plan
(NBP) as an enabler of remote
working
The National Broadband Plan (NBP)
will enable new ways of working and
will exploit the huge benefits that
remote working offers to employers,
employees and society more
generally.
For workers, this can mean better
work-life balance, more affordable
housing and less time commuting.
For companies, this can provide
access to a wider talent pool, reduce
spending on office space, and make
for a happier and more productive
workforce.
More generally, remote working will
ease congestion, support regional
development by allowing people
to remain in their own locality,
increase labour force participation,
and contribute to tackling climate
change.
We will publish the first ever national
guidance and strategy on remote
working before the end of 2020.
Many major FDI companies already
offer remote working as an option
to their employees. We want to
encourage this further. We will
mandate the IDA to have a specific
focus on remote working as part
of their new five-year strategy,
highlighting the new opportunities
associated with the roll-out of
the NBP.
While some people are happy to
work from their own homes, others
can find it isolating and prefer to
work from an office environment,
where they can interact with others
as part of their working week. We
want to support this type of coworking environment, which can also
have significant benefits in terms of
fostering collaboration, innovation and
creativity. Fine Gael will continue to
work to support the development of
such hubs across Ireland

Say what you will about the long drawn out procurement process, the issues with the cost (which I believe are an apples and oranges argument, given the expansion in scope from the initial offering), the eventual ownership of the network - at least Fine Gael are trying to outline what the NBP can actually deliver in terms of a digital society (as opposed to the Pornhub for farmers argument :rolleyes:)

careless sherpa

The Cush wrote: »

Manifesto Day

Fianna Fáil

Timmy is back again. How anyone could put a tick next to his name on a ballot paper is beyond me

fergus1001

fieldofsheep wrote:

(as opposed to the Pornhub for farmers argument )

as a farmers son I resent that argument, fiber will only be used some of the time for pornhub :pac:

Pique

fergus1001 wrote: »

as a farmers son I resent that argument, fiber will only be used some of the time for pornhub :pac:

No need for porn when you have a field of sheep!

fergus1001

Pique wrote:

No need for porn when you have a field of sheep!

that's only on mondays .....

clohamon

The Cush wrote: »

Manifesto Day

Fianna Fáil

Green Party
6.7 Digital Economy (p30)

Implement the National Broadband Plan while exercising all available options to minimise the cost and maximise the use of the new service.

9.6 Rural Regeneration (p43)

Implement the National Broadband Plan and support the development of working from home initiatives in the public and other State services.

https://www.greenparty.ie/campaigns/green-party-manifesto-general-election-2020/

People Before Profit
Rural Regeneration (p29)

Complete the Rural Broadband Rollout through a major state-led investment programme. Scrap the existing expensive privatised deal.

https://manifesto.pbp.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Paople-Before-Profit-General-Election-Manifesto-2020.pdf

fergus1001

clohamon wrote:

People Before Profit Rural Regeneration (p29)

wont be voting PBP AAA BBB CCCP so

Ultimanemo

clohamon wrote: »

Green Party
6.7 Digital Economy (p30)

9.6 Rural Regeneration (p43)

https://www.greenparty.ie/campaigns/green-party-manifesto-general-election-2020/

People Before Profit
Rural Regeneration (p29)

https://manifesto.pbp.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Paople-Before-Profit-General-Election-Manifesto-2020.pdf

The Green Party page Page 30

Implement the National Broadband Plan while
exercising all available options to minimise the
cost and maximise the use of the new service.

I understand that as :scrap the current contract, start from zero and try to find cheaper alternatives, that is no wonder as the greens are normally city centre dwellers

Johnboy1951

Ultimanemo wrote: »

The Green Party page Page 30

Implement the National Broadband Plan while
exercising all available options to minimise the
cost and maximise the use of the new service.

I understand that as :scrap the current contract, start from zero and try to find cheaper alternatives, that is no wonder as the greens are normally city centre dwellers

That is not how I would interpret that .... rather we have a contract signed and there are possible savings to be made within the contract and we will do all we can to make those savings while encouraging people to connect to the service.

clohamon

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

That is not how I would interpret that .... rather we have a contract signed and there are possible savings to be made within the contract and we will do all we can to make those savings while encouraging people to connect to the service.

Yes I think that's right.
IIRC Eamon Ryan suggested that planning approvals for all new premises should require the applicant to install cable/ducting etc from the kerb or nearest existing termination. It might save quite a bit on the expected 60,000 new build in the plan.

Bruton said he would consider that but nothing has emerged yet. Presumably Dept. Housing have to change the planning guidelines.

Johnboy1951

clohamon wrote: »

Yes I think that's right.
IIRC Eamon Ryan suggested that planning approvals for all new premises should require the applicant to install cable/ducting etc from the kerb or nearest existing termination. It might save quite a bit on the expected 60,000 new build in the plan.

Bruton said he would consider that but nothing has emerged yet. Presumably Dept. Housing have to change the planning guidelines.

Is it not already part of the planning that a service pipe be laid not only for ESB but also for telephone?

Maybe the telephone service duct was never made a requirement?

babi-hrse

No all houses have ducts or at least the means to be serviced via ducts now, sometimes the builder pulls a fast one drops an etu but doesn't run a duct.
It should be something to consider for new planning for houses to run a fibre optic from etu to somewhere inside house. All you can find is a cat5 cable in there and some people are lothe to allow you to run a cable anywhere or assume you'll either somehow connect fibre to cat5 cable to other end or thread the fibre drop inside the wall cavity
You can punch through install the ont then push cat5 cable through and patch into ont which is a sort of workaround but leaves the ont in the hall

babi-hrse

Urban rollout starts tomorrow

BarryM

babi-hrse wrote: »

Urban rollout starts tomorrow

Rollout of what to whom? Any details or announcements? I thought they were going to publish a schedule.

recyclebin

babi-hrse wrote: »

Urban rollout starts tomorrow

I presume this is about Eir or something else not related to NBP.

KOR101

babi-hrse wrote: »

Urban rollout starts tomorrow

We have a tread for the urban plan babi-hrse.

It started in earnest a few months ago. Or, maybe you're just connecting houses now.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057946234&page=9

oscarBravo

The first IFN premises were RFO last Wednesday, so it makes sense that the first installs are today.