US congresswomen refuse to condemn brutal attack on ICE facility.

The Enbalmer

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Why do you think he thought they were not at home?

My question first please.


Don't try to move the goalposts by asking irrelevant questions. Where did he explicitly mention RACE?




I'll wait.

relax carry on

The Enbalmer wrote: »

So where did he mention race??

Not theres any point but any comment on the below? You might note that "Go back to where you come from" is listed in the below.

https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/immigrants-facts.cfm

Harassment Based on National Origin

Ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct because of nationality are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities. Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's foreign accent or comments like, "Go back to where you came from, " whether made by supervisors or by co-workers.

notobtuse

I say save the racist accusations for situations that actually warrant it. But lets face it... it won't happen... as it would cost democrats fundraising dollars and their minions in the media viewership.

The Enbalmer

steddyeddy wrote: »

You don't have to preempt racism by saying the word "race".

Huh?


So you can be a racist even though you never mentioned race?


Guilty because YOU say so..the evidence bedamned?


Reminds me of the NKVD or GESTAPO line of "questioning"...both socialist organisations too. Very interesting.

mad muffin

I bring to you your Democrats…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJBRnxGuLwg

Meanwhile racist Trump…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz1Yjqk53rU

Oh and don’t forget the first step act. Reversing decades of Democrats incarceration of black citizens.

Democrats… well keep you uneducated. Poor. Reliant on us. Just give us your votes.

hetuzozaho

The Enbalmer wrote: »

My question first please.


Don't try to move the goalposts by asking irrelevant questions. Where did he explicitly mention RACE?


I'll wait.

My point is relevant. To answer your question he did not use the word race

Now my question. Why did he presume they were not at home?

Odhinn

The Enbalmer wrote: »

I see you're back with the word racism bubbling hot on your lips!


Any answer to my question earlier as to why you're not condemning the murder of white south africans?

I condemn the murder of any South African. However it's a particular nonsense that has been debunked countless times on boards that you're on about. Some reading for you -

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642



http://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

The Enbalmer

relax carry on wrote: »

Not theres any point but any comment on the below? You might note that "Go back to where you come from" is listed in the below.

https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/immigrants-facts.cfm

Harassment Based on National Origin

Ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct because of nationality are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities. Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's foreign accent or comments like, "Go back to where you came from, " whether made by supervisors or by co-workers.

So race wasn't mentioned at all!





So they were applying for a job now were they?

Outlaw Pete

Odhinn wrote: »

He tells them to go back where they came from. Logically this carries the implication that they are foriegn and from elsewhere. It takes a large degree of intellectual dishonesty to come to any other conclusion.

Well now, in all my time on Boards, I have to say that's a first....

You replied to my post with the exact same response of yours that I was replying to:





Is this some inception shit or something?

Fair enough so, here's my reply again then:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yes, it's true AOC is American born, but Trump being wrong on that count just makes him wrong on that count...... it doesn't make him a racist. He'd have said it no matter what colour they are and no matter which country they are from. He's an economic nationalist, not a white supremacist... and if you want to accuse him of the latter, then you'll have to do better.

The Enbalmer

Odhinn wrote: »

I condemn the murder of any South African. However it's a particular nonsense that has been debunked countless times on boards that you're on about. Some reading for you -

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642



http://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

Perhaps you can explain your links to my SA friends who have had family members butchered and killed.



Send me a PM and we'll arrange a face to face meeting with them.

Odhinn

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Well now, in all my time on Boards, I have to say that's a first....

You replied to my post with the exact same response of yours that I was replying to:

Again, only being deliberately obtuse allows one to ignore the racist undertone/dog whistle.

Odhinn

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Perhaps you can explain your links to my SA friends who have had family members butchered and killed.


Send me a PM and we'll arrange a face to face meeting with them.

Argumentum ad passiones, I'd say.

The Enbalmer

Odhinn wrote: »

Again, only being deliberately obtuse allows one to ignore the racist undertone/dog whistle.

So it's gone from ACTUAL racism to "racist undertone/dog whistle" whatever the actual fcuk that means.


Have you anything to say about Ilhan Omar's anti-semitism?

Odhinn

The Enbalmer wrote: »

So it's gone from ACTUAL racism to "racist undertone/dog whistle" whatever the actual fcuk that means.

It's implicitly racist, which is, yes, racist/racism.

weldoninhio

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Why do you think he thought they were not at home?

He never mentioned their “home”.

hetuzozaho

weldoninhio wrote: »

He never mentioned their “home”.

My mistake, why did he presume they were not in the "places from which they came"?

weldoninhio

hetuzozaho wrote: »

My mistake, why did he presume they were not in the "places from which they came"?

Why do you presume he’s taking about the 4 women who seem to be loving the attention?? He never mentioned anyone’s race, gender etc. He also never told anyone to “go home” as is being paraphrased all over this thread. He said go there, fix their problems, then come back and tell America how easy it was, as some elected officials in US think that the issues with Central/South America are somehow USA’s problems to fix.

hetuzozaho

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why do you presume he’s taking about the 4 women who seem to be loving the attention?? He never mentioned anyone’s race, gender etc.

And in circles we go. Have a nice evening.

Outlaw Pete

steddyeddy wrote: »

In other words economics, healthcare, the state of government don't matter here. The only thing that does is that "liberals" are annoyed.

Well that's some Cathy Newman level strawmanning right there.

I reply to the suggestion from many users that Trump is a racist, with multiple examples which make that accusation a mockery, showing he is anything but...... and you come back and say: "In other words economics, healthcare, the state of government don't matter here." ?? Absurd response.

You want economics though? No problem, here you go (jump to 45s in on the first):


https://twitter.com/NextRevFNC/status/1153325326346227712
https://twitter.com/NextRevFNC/status/1153325578390593537

relax carry on

The Enbalmer wrote: »

So race wasn't mentioned at all!

So they were applying for a job now were they?

Jesus, either you are on par with Trump's syphilitic brain or you are being deliberately obtuse.

That's an example lifted from the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission detailing unacceptable behaviour in a work environment. For reference the Commission is a federal agency responsible for enforcing laws prohibiting employment discrimination and harassment because of race, color, sex, religion, national origin, age.

I know this may blow your mind but the behaviour they describe is unacceptable in any situation. Now stay with me; if the president of the US comes out with statements like that, who is by the way supposed to represent all Americans, then I'm pretty sure we are all on solid ground calling it racist.

And besides all of that, you'd want to have a pretty warped view of the world not to see it as racist. Jesus, anything to distract from the never ending car crash that is his presidency.

Dick phelan

Skylinehead wrote: »

Where do you live? If it's Ireland, we're stratospherically further to the left than the Democrats, hardly a disaster.

There's no major political party in Ireland as i'm aware that advocates totally open boarders, abortion up until birth, anything close to the apparent Green New Deal etc. Ireland is too left wing for my liking but any of them as extreme as AOC and Omar are the likes of PBP and Paul Murphy etc who have almost no support

Dick phelan

Also while everyone is saying Trump is a racist the DEM's have not condemned Omar for her clearly anti semetic hate speech. Their happy to call out one kind of bigotry but not another. Is Trump a racist, yes or certainly his comments are. Is Omar an anti semite again yes but the US media won't talk about that.

Odhinn

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why do you presume he’s taking about the 4 women who seem to be loving the attention?? He never mentioned anyone’s race, gender etc. He also never told anyone to “go home” as is being paraphrased all over this thread. He said go there, fix their problems, then come back and tell America how easy it was, as some elected officials in US think that the issues with Central/South America are somehow USA’s problems to fix.

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how...."


Three of them are American born......
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381395078000643

James Brown

notobtuse wrote: »

I say save the racist accusations for situations that actually warrant it. But lets face it... it won't happen... as it would cost democrats fundraising dollars and their minions in the media viewership.

No, his racism is being discussed, not an accusation of racism.

The Enbalmer wrote: »

So it's gone from ACTUAL racism to "racist undertone/dog whistle" whatever the actual fcuk that means.


Have you anything to say about Ilhan Omar's anti-semitism?

A white, (orange?) person telling a minority to go back to where they came from is racism. If you didn't know that, now you do.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why do you presume he’s taking about the 4 women who seem to be loving the attention??....

He confirmed he was talking about them and said they called the U.S. garbage, which is another in a long list of lies from him.

James Brown

Dick phelan wrote: »

Also while everyone is saying Trump is a racist the DEM's have not condemned Omar for her clearly anti semetic hate speech. Their happy to call out one kind of bigotry but not another. Is Trump a racist, yes or certainly his comments are. Is Omar an anti semite again yes but the US media won't talk about that.

Depends on what she said also regardless, doesn't give Trump a pass.

alastair

Dick phelan wrote: »

There's no major political party in Ireland as i'm aware that advocates totally open boarders, abortion up until birth, anything close to the apparent Green New Deal etc. Ireland is too left wing for my liking but any of them as extreme as AOC and Omar are the likes of PBP and Paul Murphy etc who have almost no support

The Democrats don’t advocate open borders. They don’t advocate for abortion until birth, the Green New Deal isn’t Democratic policy.

alastair

Dick phelan wrote: »

Also while everyone is saying Trump is a racist the DEM's have not condemned Omar for her clearly anti semetic hate speech. Their happy to call out one kind of bigotry but not another.

Ehh, they have.

We are and will always be strong supporters of Israel in Congress because we understand that our support is based on shared values and strategic interests. Legitimate criticism of Israel’s policies is protected by the values of free speech and democratic debate that the United States and Israel share. But Congresswoman Omar’s use of anti-Semitic tropes and prejudicial accusations about Israel’s supporters is deeply offensive. We condemn these remarks and we call upon Congresswoman Omar to immediately apologize for these hurtful comments.

And Omar’s response:

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1095046561254567937?s=20

steddyeddy

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Well that's some Cathy Newman level strawmanning right there.

I reply to the suggestion from many users that Trump is a racist, with multiple examples which make that accusation a mockery, showing he is anything but...... and you come back and say: "In other words economics, healthcare, the state of government don't matter here." ?? Absurd response.

You want economics though? No problem, here you go (jump to 45s in on the first):


https://twitter.com/NextRevFNC/status/1153325326346227712
https://twitter.com/NextRevFNC/status/1153325578390593537

You replied multiple examples of nonsensical ramblings about Trump. He's a racist and it's undeniable. Fox News isn't a reputable news organisation.

Outlaw Pete

alastair wrote: »

The brass neck of posters attempting to claim Trump isn’t racist. He’s always been racist. This isn’t news.

Examples of him "always" being racist please?

As it seems to me looking back over the years Trump has always judged people by the content of their character rather than the colour of their skin and has never avoided being seen in public with non-whites, on the contrary he seems to me to have had no issue whatsoever with people who are not caucasian.


Trump's so racist he helped Jennifer Hudson when her brother and mother were murdered:

https://twitter.com/OutlawPete7/status/1153353096254427136

Trump's so racist he rewards a black good samaritan when he sees a news report of him being heroic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-TvSa9Dcvc

Trump's so racist that in 1986 he was given the Ellis Island Medal of Honor for “patriotism, tolerance, brotherhood and diversity”.




Trump's so racist Jessie Jackson waxes lyrical about what he has done for diversity in New York and how supported him when he ran for president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1WIWrvjyq8

Imagine being so racist you actually love black people.

Outlaw Pete

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Ah come on. Why did he ask her to return home? What made him assume she wasn't at home?

Which one? The one that never shuts up about being Puerto Rican or the one who refers to herself as a refugee?