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US congresswomen refuse to condemn brutal attack on ICE facility.

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    #152
    [Deleted User]
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You lads wanna get together and let us know which one it is??:rolleyes::rolleyes:


    I'll take a stab. Economy and deficit are two different things.


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    #153
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Eveb though prevvious presidents detained people , trump is getting the brunt of it, but the real solution here is for illegal immigrants to take personal responsibility and not come in to the country. Trump is also trying to stem the flow with the wall but ofcourse thats opposed too.

    To anyone condemning the detention of migrants, whats the solution (and not one that allows more migrants to enter / existing ones stay)


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    #154
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The economy keep rolling on regardless of who is president. It's crazy to think a single person is responsible. Which trade deals has Trump accomplished better? The tariffs with China?
    Trade deals commonly take years to complete and China is playing hardball but still wants a deal made. Some of the other positive trade deals made so far… Mexico, Canada, South Korea. And new trade deals remain ongoing with the European Union, the United Kingdom, and Japan.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #155
    notobtuse
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    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    That's a well debunked myth.
    The pictures taken of her crying while looking at a mostly empty parking lot are fake news?

    maxresdefault.jpg

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #156
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You lads wanna get together and let us know which one it is??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    What seems to be standard operation procedure of the left is that history starts today, and anything the orange overlord does is evil.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #157
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/05/venezuela-asylum-seekers-refugees-trump-administration-us
    As Venezuela slumps further into crisis, White House officials from Donald Trump down have made repeated expressions of support for the country’s people.

    But such comments stand in stark contrast to the meager help the US government is giving Venezuelans seeking refuge in the US.

    The United Nations estimated 5.3 million Venezuelans will have fled by the end of 2019, but the Trump administration has resisted calls – including those from Republicans – to put in place immigration programs that would let a tiny portion of them seek protection in the US.

    It's worth noting that millions of Venezuelans have fled to poor neighbouring countries, especially Colombia. I seen them on the streets of Bogota every day. Despite being a poor country, Colombia has offered them aid, a step apparently beyond the US.


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    #158
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    Masterful deflection going on from the disgraceful videos linked in the opening post. Keep it up.


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    #159
    James Brown
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    The pictures taken of her crying while looking at a mostly empty parking lot are fake news?

    ...

    FYI: You're coming across as desperate. Might work for the Fox and friends viewership.


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    #160
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    What seems to be standard operation procedure of the left is that history starts today, and anything the orange overlord does is evil.

    Classic Trump/Republican separatist logic. No ideas anymore, just us and them, very adult and unifying ;)


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    #161
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    This September Trump's government will see the deficit rise to 1 trillion. Up 200 million. Do you know what that means?

    It’s crazy. The repayments will be 1T a year soon enough.


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    #162
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    FYI: You're coming across as desperate. Might work for the Fox and friends viewership.
    I understand... 'a picture is worth a thousand words' really sucks sometimes, eh?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #163
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Masterful deflection going on from the disgraceful videos linked in the opening post. Keep it up.

    Smart move not to legitimise ALT-Right propaganda agents by not responding to them IMO.


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    #164
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    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    That's a well debunked myth.


    I'm curious about this too.... how have those photos being debunked? They look like a bad, transparent photoshoot


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    #165
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I understand... 'a picture is worth a thousand words' really sucks sometimes, eh?

    No, I'm saying you seem desperate by hanging onto something that isn't a blip compared to racist Trump and his faux Christian enablers :)

    The idea that they didn't know there was press behind or near them as they 'posed' is not believable.

    Debunked right here by the way...

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-empty-parking-lot/


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    #166
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Smart move not to legitimise ALT-Right propaganda agents by not responding to them IMO.

    How is it propaganda? It's them.. Refusing to condemn an attack on a government facility.


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    #167
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/05/venezuela-asylum-seekers-refugees-trump-administration-us



    It's worth noting that millions of Venezuelans have fled to poor neighbouring countries, especially Colombia. I seen them on the streets of Bogota every day. Despite being a poor country, Colombia has offered them aid, a step apparently beyond the US.

    It is not the job of the US or europe to allow in everyone who elected a crappy government who starves them. uS aid was turned away from benezuela by Maduro, that doesnt mean they should open the borders


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    #168
    meeeeh
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Masterful deflection going on from the disgraceful videos linked in the opening post. Keep it up.

    Hahaha... a journalist being told they will make statement later is disgraceful behaviour? So whenever a politician refuses to answer questions is disgraceful behaviour? Do you follow the proper news to see how often that happens? Or is it just the news that is carefully crafted to confirm your biases and make you true believing disciple.


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    #169
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How is it propaganda? It's them.. Refusing to condemn an attack on a government facility.


    They ignored someone on a corridor. Do you see the amount of cameras towards the end of that second video? Are they obliged to answer all of them?


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    #170
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    Hahaha... a journalist being told they will make statement later is disgraceful behaviour? So whenever a politician refuses to answer questions is disgraceful behaviour? Do you follow the proper news to see how often that happens? Or is it just the news that is carefully crafted to confirm your biases and make you true believing disciple.

    A believing disciple of what?

    Deleted User wrote: »
    They ignored someone on a corridor

    The question is very basic. It's an automatic "yes" no matter who is asking, especially a journalist.


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    #171
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Let’s get back to AOC demanding a pay raise for Congress or she threatens us that they’ll succumb to the evil lobbyists. And how about we play this out in real life… Let’s say you have an employee who isn’t performing well... actually doing a downright terrible job, in fact. She comes to your office and says: “Hey boss, I’m going to need a raise because if I don’t make more money I'll probably start stealing from you, and neither of us wants that, right?”

    What would you do?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #172
    Billy Mays
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    Scherie Murray, a New York businesswoman who immigrated from Jamaica as a child and is active in state Republican politics, is launching a campaign Wednesday for the congressional seat held by Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    She should go back and fix the problems in Jamaica first


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    #173
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Let’s get back to AOC demanding a pay raise for Congress or she threatens us that they’ll succumb to the evil lobbyists. And how about we play this out in real life… Let’s say you have an employee who isn’t performing well... actually doing a downright terrible job, in fact. She comes to your office and says: “Hey boss, I’m going to need a raise because if I don’t make more money I'll probably start stealing from you, and neither of us wants that, right?”

    What would you do?

    Ahh the old ‘why we cant cut welfare by even a cent’ argument


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    #174
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Let’s get back to AOC demanding a pay raise for Congress or she threatens us that they’ll succumb to the evil lobbyists. And how about we play this out in real life… Let’s say you have an employee who isn’t performing well... actually doing a downright terrible job, in fact. She comes to your office and says: “Hey boss, I’m going to need a raise because if I don’t make more money I'll probably start stealing from you, and neither of us wants that, right?”

    What would you do?


    Totally fair analogy, give that person a raise obviously :rolleyes:


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    #175
    splinter65
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    When the presidential election 2024 starts, folk will be looking back at AOC and Ilhan Omar in particular and saying “holy **** those two ladies got Trump elected for a second term and look where we are now!”.


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    #176
    James Brown
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How is it propaganda? It's them.. Refusing to condemn an attack on a government facility.

    No. It's them refusing to engage with a bias right wing entity. If they gave them a quote it would legitimise them, give them oxygen.


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    #177
    notobtuse
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Totally fair analogy, give that person a raise obviously :rolleyes:
    You should run for president. :P

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #178
    meeeeh
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    A believing disciple of what?

    Of the Orange Saviour

    Anyway the stupidest thing you can do is answer questions from hostile journalist at their therms.


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    #179
    is_that_so
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    When the presidential election 2024 starts, folk will be looking back at AOC and Ilhan Omar in particular and saying “holy **** those two ladies got Trump elected for a second term and look where we are now!”.
    I'd add the line - and the Dems not understanding what you have to do to win.


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    #180
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    No. It's them refusing to engage with a bias right wing entity. If they gave them a quote it would legitimise them, give them oxygen.

    You don't think right wing entities are legitimate? You realise that right is not alt-right.

    And anyways, it was a simple question. There's no propaganda in that video. Had a republican refused to condemn an alt-right attack, it would be major and people wouldn't say "Why would they legitimise a left-wing entity?"
    meeeeh wrote: »
    Of the Orange Saviour

    Anyway the stupidest thing you can do is answer questions from hostile journalist at their therms.

    I'm a disciple of the orange man? News to me. I don't even like him. The stupidest thing you can do is not condemn an attack on government workers when you are an elected official. I barely see why Trump is even being mentioned actually.

    The bias here is kinda comical.


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    #181
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Let’s get back to AOC demanding a pay raise for Congress or she threatens us that they’ll succumb to the evil lobbyists. And how about we play this out in real life… Let’s say you have an employee who isn’t performing well... actually doing a downright terrible job, in fact. She comes to your office and says: “Hey boss, I’m going to need a raise because if I don’t make more money I'll probably start stealing from you, and neither of us wants that, right?”

    What would you do?

    I’d fire that employee because she’s doing something illegal.

    Getting money from lobbyists isn’t illegal. Although maybe it should be.


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