US congresswomen refuse to condemn brutal attack on ICE facility.

Anyways, I can't find AOC's official condemnation of the attack. Google is full of nonsense. Can someone link it?

steddyeddy

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyways, I can't find AOC's official condemnation of the attack. Google is full of nonsense. Can someone link it?

She could easily use the Trump defence of the white supremacists in Charlottesville i.e

There are very fine people on both sides

So here's my defence of the attack.

There are very fine people on both sides of the attack. I don't afford Trump supporters the respect they lack for everyone else.

notobtuse

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

I’d fire that employee because she’s doing something illegal.

Getting money from lobbyists isn’t illegal. Although maybe it should be.

It’s corruption, American style.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

notobtuse wrote: »

The pictures taken of her crying while looking at a mostly empty parking lot are fake news?

They were within sight of the "tent city" or whatever it was called.

splinter65

is_that_so wrote: »

I'd add the line - and the Dems not understanding what you have to do to win.

Agree. The Dems seem to be right now dangerously detached from knowing what is important to everyday Americans ( the same thing that’s important to everyday humans everywhere in the western world).
Everyday Americans want to feel that the government they elected puts their health and safety and welfare “above” the health safety and welfare of non Americans.
This doesn’t mean that the American government shouldn’t care about the health safety and welfare of non Americans, it just means that the care should not be at the expense of the health safety and welfare of Americans.
Everyday Americans really don’t buy socialism. Because history has taught us that socialism doesn’t work. Socialism makes everyone poorer. It’s just common sense and as plain as the nose on your face.
Especially now coming in to 2020 when we’ve seen at least 100 years of failed socialism experiments and all the misery it’s caused.
But somehow the Dems can’t see this and appear to be persisting to tell the people what they want, what they really really want...

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Eric Cartman wrote: »

It is not the job of the US or europe to allow in everyone who elected a crappy government who starves them. uS aid was turned away from benezuela by Maduro, that doesnt mean they should open the borders

Who mentioned "open the borders?" This is about refugee status.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

She could easily use the Trump defence of the white supremacists in Charlottesville i.e



So here's my defence of the attack.

There are very fine people on both sides of the attack. I don't afford Trump supporters the respect they lack for everyone else.

The exact same speech at 1:55.. He condemns them. Regardless, whataboutism never makes a great argument, especially when it has nothing to do with Trump.

steddyeddy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

That government quangos have been spending money at a rate of knots for fear that trump will defund them when he cops on to their ineffectiveness.

BS. I work in a government lab and spending as always is tightly controlled. That's a an incredibly childish way of looking at the current economical situation.

You could have equally said "it's all the fault of the people I don't like. they must be spending the money faster because they don't like the guy I like." That hurt to type but it's not far off what you seem to believe.

notobtuse

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

They were within sight of the "tent city" or whatever it was called.

There are a number of angles taken. I don't see any 'tent city' she's looking at and crying over... just a mostly empty parking lot. Of course it could have been a delayed reaction... waiting to cry until the cameras where all poised at her.

steddyeddy

Deleted User wrote: »

The exact same speech at 1:55.. He condemns them.

Ah great well that fits too. Both sides were violent in the ICE attack.

splinter65

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

They were within sight of the "tent city" or whatever it was called.

Have you any idea how many Americans are looking at these pictures and wondering how in the name of God this gob****e got elected? It’s a lot of Americans, I can tell you that!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

splinter65 wrote: »

Agree. The Dems seem to be right now dangerously detached from knowing what is important to everyday Americans ( the same thing that’s important to everyday humans everywhere in the western world).
Everyday Americans want to feel that the government they elected puts their health and safety and welfare “above” the health safety and welfare of non Americans.
This doesn’t mean that the American government shouldn’t care about the health safety and welfare of non Americans, it just means that the care should not be at the expense of the health safety and welfare of Americans.
Everyday Americans really don’t buy socialism. Because history has taught us that socialism doesn’t work. Socialism makes everyone poorer. It’s just common sense and as plain as the nose on your face.
Especially now coming in to 2020 when we’ve seen at least 100 years of failed socialism experiments and all the misery it’s caused.
But somehow the Dems can’t see this and appear to be persisting to tell the people what they want, what they really really want...

The move to the left in the party is coming from voters, against the wishes of the party establishment.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ah great well that fits too. Both sides were violent in the ICE attack.

That doesn't make any sense.

splinter65

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

The move to the left in the party is coming from voters, against the wishes of the party establishment.

Are you looking forward to the Democratic nominee being elected president in 2020 so?

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't think right wing entities are legitimate? You realise that right is not alt-right.

No I don't. An organisation, like Fox for example has an agenda to push. That's not legitimate news/journalism.
I do but with almost the entire Republican party supporting a racist, it's debatable in the U.S.

Deleted User wrote: »

And anyways, it was a simple question. There's no propaganda in that video. Had a republican refused to condemn an alt-right attack, it would be major and people wouldn't say "Why would they legitimise a left-wing entity?"

If they give them attention they give them notoriety. It's the people asking not the question IMO.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyways, I can't find AOC's official condemnation of the attack. Google is full of nonsense. Can someone link it?

There's something in there although not sure about the source.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/15/ocasio-cortez-responds-to-washington-ice-attack/

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

splinter65 wrote: »

Are you looking forward to the Democratic nominee being elected president in 2020 so?

I would prefer that they win, yes. Any of them are better than the current fascist. But the move to the left is something popular with a segment of voters, who backed Bernie Sanders, despite the party blocking him as best they could.

James Brown

notobtuse wrote: »

There are a number of angles taken. I don't see any 'tent city' she's looking at and crying over... just a mostly empty parking lot. Of course it could have been a delayed reaction... waiting to cry until the cameras where all poised at her.

It's debunked move on before you embarrass yourself further

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-empty-parking-lot/

James Brown

splinter65 wrote: »

Have you any idea how many Americans are looking at these pictures and wondering how in the name of God this gob****e got elected? It’s a lot of Americans, I can tell you that!

Idiots maybe.
That sounds like a line direct from the orange mouth of Trump.

meeeeh

splinter65 wrote: »

Everyday Americans really don’t buy socialism. Because history has taught us that socialism doesn’t work. Socialism makes everyone poorer. It’s just common sense and as plain as the nose on your face...

What Americans understand as socialism is subsidised (free) education, basic healthcare, paid maternity leave and similar. In other words standard Western European democracy.

What Americans call Socialism would get you in prison in Soviet Union for spreading capitalist propaganda.

Matt Barrett

Matt Barrett wrote: »

No I don't. An organisation, like Fox for example has an agenda to push. That's not legitimate news/journalism.
I do but with almost the entire Republican party supporting a racist, it's debatable in the U.S.



If they give them attention they give them notoriety. It's the people asking not the question IMO.

Every media organisation has an agenda.... Straight up video of politicians refusing to condemn an attack may be part of their agenda, but it happened. It's not on CNN I presume because it makes them look bad.

And "it's the people asking the question" is the most bizarre argument I've ever heard in my life. If you only accept responses to journalists who are on both your side and the politician's side, you're living in an echo chamber. It's not always about distorting facts. It's about certain news never even making it onto one side of the news.

Do you honestly only ever accept American news from Democrat-friendly sources, lest they be tainted?

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Eveb though prevvious presidents detained people , trump is getting the brunt of it,

previous presidents just detained people until their application was heard and a decision made, which was quite quickly. they didn't separate children from their parents or with-hold them upon the release of the parents.
trump on the other hand is detaining people for unknown periods of time, separating children from their parents, keeping them all in concentration camp like conditions, and now apparently keeping children dispite their parents being released.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but the real solution here is for illegal immigrants to take personal responsibility and not come in to the country.

yes, immigrants should take personal responsibility and stay in whatever danger or bad situation they are in rather then trying to seek a better life.
yes, it would be great to live in a world where every country is perfect and there is no need for immigration, but we don't. so it's not up to immigrants to take personal responsibility and not seek a better life to avoid being held in concentration camp like conditions. it's up to the country where they are going to insure there is a proper system in place to hear their application and make a decision. if they are being detained, then it should be in reasonable conditions, and only for the duration while their application is heard and decision made, or if there is an appeals process, until that process is concluded, which should be done so within a reasonable time frame.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Trump is also trying to stem the flow with the wall but ofcourse thats opposed too.

the flow is over exaggerated by trump for the benefit of his support base. the wall is just an expensive waste of money which won't do anything because the border security already have a handle on the issue. they aren't going to be able to stop everyone and neither would a wall.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

To anyone condemning the detention of migrants, whats the solution (and not one that allows more migrants to enter / existing ones stay)

the solution is to get around to their application in a reasonable manner, and make a decision. to not separate and with-hold these people's children, especially when they have been released.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

Every media organisation has an agenda.... Straight up video of politicians refusing to condemn an attack may be part of their agenda, but it happened. It's not on CNN I presume because it makes them look bad.

And "it's the people asking the question" is the most bizarre argument I've ever heard in my life. If you only accept responses from journalists who are on both your side and the politician's side, you're living in an echo chamber. It's not always about distorting facts. It's about certain news never even making it onto one side of the news.

Do you honestly only ever accept American news from Democrat-friendly sources, lest they be tainted?

I've explained it at length, if you find it bizarre I suggest you re-read my comments. A fringe biased right wing 'journalist' has their profile raised if a congressperson answers their question. It's very basic.

No I check a few sources and make up my own opinion based on that, I'm not a democrat or racist republican Trump stooge.

Hobosan

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Why does the definition matter?
How would it detract from the sentiment?

If a black South African is telling a white South African to go back to Europe is he not a racist?

No, that's just good advice. White children are being boiled alive and thrown into crocodile pits over there.

Many white farmers are fleeing the place and have been granted refugee status.

Bring told to head to Europe is common sense.

splinter65

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I would prefer that they win, yes. Any of them are better than the current fascist. But the move to the left is something popular with a segment of voters, who backed Bernie Sanders, despite the party blocking him as best they could.

What can you point out that Trump has done since being elected that justifies your allegation that he is a fascist ? Just tell me 3 things that he has introduced that weren’t there before he was elected that point to fascism ala Mussolini and Stalin and Hitler.

Hobosan

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I would prefer that they win, yes. Any of them are better than the current fascist. But the move to the left is something popular with a segment of voters, who backed Bernie Sanders, despite the party blocking him as best they could.

Bernie was also against immigration. The fascist!

Matt Barrett

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I've explained it at length, if you find it bizarre I suggest you re-read my comments. A fringe biased right wing 'journalist' has their profile raised if a congressperson answers their question. It's very basic.

No I check a few sources and make up my own opinion based on that, I'm not a democrat or racist republican Trump stooge.

How "fringe" can you honestly be if you have access to these politicians? It was a simple question requiring a simple answer. Not giving it raises the profile of the journalist's organisation way more.. It's similar to the Barbra Streisand effect.

And honestly, the vast majority like myself would generally look at their refusal as a disgrace. You guys need to realise you are not representative of any population.

splinter65

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's debunked move on before you embarrass yourself further

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-empty-parking-lot/

She wasn’t crying at an empty car park she was crying at an entrance to an ICE facility “way over there”? But there were no children or anyone that she saw. The idea of the children in the ICE facility made her cry.
Gotcha.
That put me straight!

meeeeh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And honestly, the vast majority like myself would generally look at their refusal as a disgrace. You guys need to realise you are not representative of any population.

Do you have any research that supports that or is it just because you think vast majority agrees with you? And because you think that it must be true.

I would guess vast majority of people don't care.

notobtuse

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's debunked move on before you embarrass yourself further

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-empty-parking-lot/

Ask yourself… with all the media in attendance why are there NO pictures to be found of the ‘tent city’ that caused her to cry in her view? I’m very cautious of Snopes (and other so-called fact checker websites) as it has been observed that Snopes writers are in the habit of injecting editorial language or opinions into their 'fact checks.' Were any of the Snopes writers in attendance at the AOC crying photoshoot? If not, how can they categorically state that it is false when all photographic evidence out there seems to prove otherwise... Crystal ball? And if she was crying at merely the 'thought' of children held in the facilities, she could have cried over it in her luxury apartment overlooking her evil garbage disposal, sans cameras.