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Water charges for excessive usage

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    #1982
    [Deleted User]
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    At this stage you are just throwing out the first rubbish that crosses your mind attempting to keep the FG wet dream alive in nobody`s head but your own.

    Flat rate charges do not encourage conservation.

    Exactly. There’s be a mad rush for meters then!

    The rest of your post is just rubbish.


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    #1983
    Benedict
    Registered Users Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Benedict


    What on earth is M84 talking about. IW don't install meters anymore. If I begged IW for a meter I couldn't get one. If I offered to pay them for a meter I couldn't get one. They DON'T DO METERS ANY MORE!

    The meters options is gone, gone, gone!


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    #1984
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    Benedict wrote: »
    What on earth is M84 talking about. IW don't install meters anymore. If I begged IW for a meter I couldn't get one. If I offered to pay them for a meter I couldn't get one. They DON'T DO METERS ANY MORE!

    The meters options is gone, gone, gone!

    Just because they aren’t actively installing meters at the moment doesn’t mean that in the event of customers being offered a choice between metering or flat rate, that they cannot install them on request at some date in the future. Irish Water is here to stay.


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    #1985
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Exactly. There’s be a mad rush for meters then!

    The rest of your post is just rubbish.


    You really are still living in dreamland.
    Metering is gone and it is not coming back for at least a generation.


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    #1986
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 17,058 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Deleted User wrote:
    Just because they aren’t actively installing meters at the moment doesn’t mean that in the event of customers being offered a choice between metering or flat rate, that they cannot install them on request at some date in the future. Irish Water is here to stay.


    In the UK there is a flat high flat rate. Houses with meters pay less than the flat rate. There is an incentive there to opt for the meter. None of this nonsense of so many litres free per person. Also if you want to sell your property it must have a meter. Your solicitor cannot move forward without a meter. Homeowners who were anti meter people then have to pay to have a meter installed before they can sell their home.

    Long term we can have metered water if a government has balls and goes about it in the right way. Revenue collecting for the first few years would definitely be required though


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    #1987
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,470 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    In the UK there is a flat high flat rate. Houses with meters pay less than the flat rate. There is an incentive there to opt for the meter. None of this nonsense of so many litres free per person. Also if you want to sell your property it must have a meter. Your solicitor cannot move forward without a meter. Homeowners who were anti meter people then have to pay to have a meter installed before they can sell their home.

    Long term we can have metered water if a government has balls and goes about it in the right way. Revenue collecting for the first few years would definitely be required though

    That makes sense.

    One of the reasons it would never happen in this country.


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    #1988
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    In the UK there is a flat high flat rate. Houses with meters pay less than the flat rate. There is an incentive there to opt for the meter. None of this nonsense of so many litres free per person. Also if you want to sell your property it must have a meter. Your solicitor cannot move forward without a meter. Homeowners who were anti meter people then have to pay to have a meter installed before they can sell their home.

    Long term we can have metered water if a government has balls and goes about it in the right way. Revenue collecting for the first few years would definitely be required though

    Relatives living in the Uk are mostly paying per meter reading now. It does lead to conservation. It’s one of the main reasons why I am in favour of water charges. When people get something for nothing, they’ve no regard for it or it’s source.


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    #1989
    Benedict
    Registered Users Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Benedict


    The people of Ireland said "No" to meters and once it was possible to prevent installations, the war was over. At that point, IW should have realised that they had lost the battle and they should have gone back to the drawing board. Instead, they kept applying patches to the plan and each patch was worse than the last. They finally decided to start pretending that they could measure usage of non-metered homes as well as metered ones and this was, perhaps, the daftest patch of all because everybody knows they can't do that and if they could, why would they have bothered installing meters in the first place.


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    #1990
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 17,058 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Benedict wrote:
    The people of Ireland said "No" to meters and once it was possible to prevent installations, the war was over. At that point, IW should have realised that they had lost the battle and they should have gone back to the drawing board. Instead, they kept applying patches to the plan and each patch was worse than the last. They finally decided to start pretending that they could measure usage of non-metered homes as well as metered ones and this was, perhaps, the daftest patch of all because everybody knows they can't do that and if they could, why would they have bothered installing meters in the first place.


    I'm in favour of paying for water usage but the whole process of bringing in water charges here was probably the worst implication of any government policy in the history of the state. It turned Gardai against law abiding citizens. I know there were some scumbag protesters but I also say many who hold full time jobs and have mortgages. The damage done to the reputation of the Gardai, courts and even the DPP will take a long time to recover.


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    #1991
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Relatives living in the Uk are mostly paying per meter reading now. It does lead to conservation. It’s one of the main reasons why I am in favour of water charges. When people get something for nothing, they’ve no regard for it or it’s source.

    Rich from someone who claimed the hilariously titled "conservation grant":rolleyes:


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    #1992
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    Rich from someone who claimed the hilariously titled "conservation grant":rolleyes:
    I'm neither rich nor a fool. Never look a gift horse in the mouth.


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    #1993
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm neither rich nor a fool. Never look a gift horse in the mouth.

    Neither were those that refused to "engage" with IW.
    They recognised a con when they saw it.


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    #1994
    Nevin Parsnipp
    Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Nevin Parsnipp


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Neither were those that refused to "engage" with IW.
    They recognised a con when they saw it.

    Nah ! In the main they was cheap scrotes who don't want to pay for anything !

    Egged on by that baldy cnunt with the megafone ...


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    #1995
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »
    Nah ! In the main they was cheap scrotes who don't want to pay for anything !

    Egged on by that baldy cnunt with the megafone ...

    1.7 million dwellings in the state, just over 900k engaged with IW.
    Your comment for want of a better description is nothing but a piece of 'dog whistle' BS tbh.


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    #1996
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »
    Nah ! In the main they was cheap scrotes who don't want to pay for anything !

    Egged on by that baldy cnunt with the megafone ...



    FG and Labour must have had a large number of cheap scrote voters with the fear of God it put into their TD`s when they saw them in such huge numbers on the protest marches .....


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    #1997
    Nevin Parsnipp
    Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Nevin Parsnipp


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    1.7 million dwellings in the state, just over 900k engaged with IW.
    Your comment for want of a better description is nothing but a piece of 'dog whistle' BS tbh.

    Look lad ...grow up will you ?

    Everybody knows there is a large cohort of people in Paddyland who will pay for nothing and expect everything for free.

    This is actively encouraged by SF and the leftie TD'S but it will come back to bite them when they realise they cannot pay for their fantasies .

    Nothing is free my friend ...potable water is a valuable expensive resource and needs to be conserved.

    It will happen...maybe not now ...but it will happen ...


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    #1998
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »
    Look lad ...grow up will you ?

    Everybody knows there is a large cohort of people in Paddyland who will pay for nothing and expect everything for free.

    This is actively encouraged by SF and the leftie TD'S but it will come back to bite them when they realise they cannot pay for their fantasies .

    Nothing is free my friend ...potable water is a valuable expensive resource and needs to be conserved.

    It will happen...maybe not now ...but it will happen ...

    Another nonsensical rant tbh.


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    #1999
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 17,058 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Nevin Parsnipp wrote:
    Nah ! In the main they was cheap scrotes who don't want to pay for anything !


    This nonsense has been going around boards for years now. The non compliance came from people from all walks of life. The same people will have you believe that people in socal housing or on the waiting list are all unemployed wasters. Obviously this is not so in the vast majority of cases


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    #2000
    Benedict
    Registered Users Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Benedict


    You can't introduce a stupid law which targets only half the users and then say those who don't want to comply are at fault. There are countless homes which would pay up no problem if the law was fair - but it simply isn't.

    Once IW backed off from installing meters in every home, they had lost the war. But instead of ripping up the plan, they decided that those who had accepted the meters would be charged and those who refused to accept them would be rewarded with free water at the expense of those who had accepted the meters.

    Only a complete idiot would accept this nonsense.


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    #2001
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,384 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Benedict wrote:
    Once IW backed off from installing meters in every home, they had lost the war. But instead of ripping up the plan, they decided that those who had accepted the meters would be charged and those who refused to accept them would be rewarded with free water at the expense of those who had meters.


    War?


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    #2002
    Benedict
    Registered Users Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Benedict


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    War?


    Okay.... battle?


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    #2003
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,384 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Benedict wrote:
    Okay.... battle?


    War, battle, WTF! Installing public infrastructure is neither of these


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    #2004
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 17,058 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Benedict wrote:
    Only a complete idiot would accept this nonsense.


    Totally agree.

    I'm happy to pay for water usage when everyone pays. No household allowance or child allowance or OAP allowance. Water should be metered and a small price per letter charged. Once you introduce free litres for children and OAPs what you are doing is making others pay more for these free users.

    Simplest formula is everyone pays a low price per litre.


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    #2005
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »
    Look lad ...grow up will you ?

    Everybody knows there is a large cohort of people in Paddyland who will pay for nothing and expect everything for free.

    This is actively encouraged by SF and the leftie TD'S but it will come back to bite them when they realise they cannot pay for their fantasies .

    Nothing is free my friend ...potable water is a valuable expensive resource and needs to be conserved.

    It will happen...maybe not now ...but it will happen ...

    It already happens through our taxes. FG's dream of getting people to pay twice is dead.


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    #2006
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,384 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    BanditLuke wrote:
    It already happens through our taxes. FG's dream of getting people to pay twice is dead.


    For the moment anyway, but this will continually return until implemented


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    #2007
    Mad Benny
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Mad Benny


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    It already happens through our taxes. FG's dream of getting people to pay twice is dead.

    The idea is that you pay once through water charges. This would allow a reduction in income tax or VAT.

    Suggesting that it was, or is, FG's dream of collecting tax twice is a simplistic argument and doesn't hold true. If you believe otherwise please reference your source.

    Every other European country charges for water. Are those countries taxing their citizens twice?

    Source: https://www.thejournal.ie/what-countries-in-europe-have-water-charges-facts-3002075-Oct2016/


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    #2008
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    As someone who can't stand FG and everything they stand for and stood with others to stop IW placing meters in our estate I hope they come back for a second go at charging twice when they get back in with FF in a few weeks. It will be the final nail in their coffin and should see them end up where labour is now in terms of seats.


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    #2009
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    BanditLuke wrote: »
    As someone who can't stand FG and everything they stand for and stood with others to stop IW placing meters in our estate I hope they come back for a second go at charging twice when they get back in with FF in a few weeks. It will be the final nail in their coffin and should see them end up where labour is now in terms of seats.

    What a pathetic argument. You despise a political party and that’s your only reason to despise water charges. What about conservation? Fairness?


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    #2010
    Benedict
    Registered Users Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Benedict


    In some other jurisdictions, apparently, they offer you a meter and if you refuse, you get hit with an annual fixed charge. This could work in Ireland but for the fact that they can't offer you a meter because they do do installations any more. Also, the only way to get people to pay the fixed charge would be to let the Revenue go after it and this would ruin the privatisation plan (which we all know is the ultimate aim).


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    #2011
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,384 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Benedict wrote:
    In some other jurisdictions, apparently, they offer you a meter and if you refuse, you get hit with an annual fixed charge. This could work in Ireland but for the fact that they can't offer you a meter because they do do installations any more. Also, the only way to get people to pay the fixed charge would be to let the Revenue go after it and this would ruin the privatisation plan (which we all know is the ultimate aim).


    Ah with the increasing push back to privatisation, I'm not convinced it would actually happen here, but I can see metering occuring


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