Water charges for excessive usage

McMurphy

NIMAN wrote: »

Is everyone going to be treated the same this time round?

I had a meter installed outside my house, but what about all those that didn't due to protests? Are these properties going to get meters installed, or are those people who cause trouble and perhaps waste water get away with it while the rest of us pay?

I thought you live in Derry?

Did a Donegal division of IW cross over the border and invade the north or what?

liatroimabu

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The irony of a farmer telling me to pay up. I went to college with the kids of farmers all on grants I the son of a paye worker had to work my way through college.You pay your own way without the hand out looking for grants off the state and EU then you have the right to lecture me.

I'm not the one opposed to paying for a basic service, go take your farmer bashing somewhere else.

Plumbthedepths

liatroimabu wrote:

I'm not the one opposed to paying for a basic service, go take your farmer bashing somewhere else.

lol but you're happy to accept money from other taxpayers to fund your lifestyle and farming occupation in the form of EU grants. The hypocrisy off you is unbelievable.

liatroimabu

Boggles wrote: »

Why would you base it on the affluence of a person, were you means tested to get your private well grant?

Also what water source do you use to service your farm?

Well if it happened to be some big mansion in the ass end of nowhere for someone wanting privacy and them being a millionaire and can afford it themselves then let them pay for it. I wasn't means tested but would be more than open to that process being in place and also the grant is capped at 75% of cost, with maximum cost being roughly 2k, after that youre on your own.

I use my own private well with the infrastructure installed to have water for cattle without needing the same filtration system. So go ahead and join the farmer bashing thats started on here, when you're willing to pay for a service then come back to me with the farmer bashing fair enough.

liatroimabu

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

lol but you're happy to accept money from other taxpayers to fund your lifestyle and farming occupation in the form of EU grants. The hypocrisy off you is unbelievable.

I'm not out here demanding grants, thankfully our farm is one of the few I know locally that is actually profitable without government and EU funds.

You're the one demanding a service for free.

jimmycrackcorm

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think that argument was fought and lost a few years ago, politically it is dead for a generation.

When it does come back it should be implemented as a statutory eatery infrastructure levy across the board by the revenue.
But you can get it reduced if you choose to get a meter installed...

Boggles

liatroimabu wrote: »

I use my own private well with the infrastructure installed to have water for cattle without needing the same filtration system.

So in reality you are saving a fair bit from not being able to be hooked up the mains as commercial water rates would kick in for you, would that be fair?

Gooser14

decky1 wrote:

1.85 for a thousand litre's not bad, look at the price of it in the shops and it's flying off the shelves. people were only fooling themselves if they thought this issue was going away, this is only the start, Brace yourselves.

It's 3.70 per thousand litres if your waste water is discharged into the public waste water system. The 1.85 per thousand litres will apply to those on a public water supply but whose waste water is discharged to their own septic tank.

Plumbthedepths

liatroimabu wrote:

You're the one demanding a service for free.

Not demanding anything for nothing lad other than some value for the taxes I pay. You on the other hand have already admitted getting a grant and all farmers are in receipt of CAP payments. Money for nothing. As I said you're a hypocrite.

liatroimabu

Boggles wrote: »

So in reality you are saving a fair bit from not being able to be hooked up the mains as commercial water rates would kick in for you, would that be fair?

I've already paid down 1700 for my house's water, not to mention approx another 1000 spent to have everything in place for the farm, theres 2700.

I still have to pay for maintenance of my filtration system, and when things go wrong with it , it works out as a bit more than 1.60 a week that was the original charge being asked of people. I'm ok with paying more some years and less other years because all in all it will roughly balance out. What I'm not ok with is people getting it for nothing and blatantly refusing to pay for it.

Plumbthedepths

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

When it does come back it should be implemented as a statutory eatery infrastructure levy across the board by the revenue. But you can get it reduced if you choose to get a meter installed...

What's a 'statutory eatery infrastructure', regulated restaurant?

liatroimabu

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not demanding anything for nothing lad other than some value for the taxes I pay. You on the other hand have already admitted getting a grant and all farmers are in receipt of CAP payments. Money for nothing. As I said you're a hypocrite.

No the money I get is for my business. I'm sure whoever your or your PAYE parents employer is also gets government grants.

You already get value for your taxes, you have roads, you have hospitals, you have a civil service and you have a government. Lose your entitlement.

Spanish Eyes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They won't, they didn't when the USC was introduced they didn't when all the other measures were introduced. They'll just whinge like you are now.

Why did you think the meter was installed if not to charge you?

You're annoyed because others said enough was enough and to hell with the consequences. They had a back bone you didn't.

I am just saying that many of us agreed to pay and allow installation of meters. Not everyone is involved with the Paul Murphy crowd and would never want to be either.

If that results in those who were compliant being charged for overuse now, whilst those with no meters installed are absolved from payment.... well, there may be trouble ahead from the silent majority :eek:

James Brown

liatroimabu wrote: »

No they expect you to pay for a service the same as you would in every single other EU country.

Ah, good. That's okay I already do. I thought they were looking for money for something I already pay for. Phew.

Plumbthedepths

liatroimabu wrote:

No the money I get is for my business. I'm sure whoever your or your PAYE parents employer is also gets government grants.

You and your business are one of the same, the grant from the EU is paid direct to the farmer. Nice try though.
Rest of your comment is nonsense.

liatroimabu wrote:

You already get value for your taxes, you have roads, you have hospitals, you have a civil service and you have a government. Lose your entitlement.

A farmer telling a paye worker to lose their entitlement, lol.

James Brown

liatroimabu wrote: »

Probably for the best, who knows, your broadband company might actually charge you for going over your usage allowance, imagine that, being charged for a service. The horror.

Yeah, but I don't pay them....and then pay them again.

Boggles

liatroimabu wrote: »

I've already paid down 1700 for my house's water, not to mention approx another 1000 spent to have everything in place for the farm, theres 2700.

I still have to pay for maintenance of my filtration system, and when things go wrong with it

Still though, that's not too bad is it?

If you access to a mains you would have had to pay up to 5k for a connection, maybe even more actually because you would be considered domestic and commercial.

Then maybe up to 5k a year on rates depending on usage.

Sounds like you are doing okay TBH, I'd keep the head down.

liatroimabu

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You and your business are one of the same, the grant from the EU is paid direct to the farmer. Nice try though.
Rest of your comment is nonsense.



A farmer telling a paye worker to lose their entitlement, lol.

Farmers have such an entitlement alright, as I said, I'm not the one on here wanting to get a service for free. Spin it any way you want against the farmer though because it doesn't suit those in urbans area, now run off, Paul Murphy and co. prob want to sign you on

Plumbthedepths

liatroimabu wrote:

Farmers have such an entitlement alright, as I said, I'm not the one on here wanting to get a service for free. Spin it any way you want against the farmer though because it doesn't suit those in urbans area, now run off, Paul Murphy and co. prob want to sign you on

That nerve I hit, check with your Teasgac adviser there maybe a grant you can claim for it .
The rest of your comment.. what can I say pathetic come back.

liatroimabu

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That nerve I hit, check with your Teasgac adviser there maybe a grant you can claim for it .
The rest of your comment.. what can I say pathetic come back.

You're fairly fond of looking for handouts, if farmers get so much as you say maybe best you get on to them.

Plumbthedepths

liatroimabu wrote:

You're fairly fond of looking for handouts, if farmers get so much as you say maybe best you get on to them.

By your own admission you claim grants of various different nature's and you have the check to say others are looking for handouts. You're funny, done responding to you. Zero credibility lad.

liatroimabu

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

By your own admission you claim grants of various different nature's and you have the check to say others are looking for handouts. You're funny, done responding to you. Zero credibility lad.

Zero? As in the same amount as the amount of money you want to pay for public services?

Put Ireland's water is owned by the people of Ireland, and will never be privatised in the Constitution, then I'll pay.

Until then, not a penny.

cameramonkey

liatroimabu wrote: »

I personally have a well so do not know the ins and outs of the local group scheme but it is still people paying for water.

The same as I had to install a filtration system, salt etc. all out of my own pocket just to have drinkable water.

Why should some have to pay for water and others not? At the end of the day the charge would've been the 3rd lowest in the EU, not exactly bank breaking even by PBP standards

Why should some businesses have to pay rates and others like farmers not?

Tommy Kelly

It's an awful pity there wasn't such an uproar for all the taxes the Local Authorities & County Councils hoovered up over the decades and not spending a penny of it on the upkeep or upgrading our now rotten to the core water system.

The lazy workers are refusing to make the switch to work for IW now because they know too well they won't get a away with doing sweet fck all. Meanwhile we're still paying them.

cameramonkey

liatroimabu wrote: »

Yes a grant which covers 75% of cost (with max cost permitted being over 2 grand) , so yes I am still paying for my water.

So are we. Have a glass on my tax money. Farmers get so many grants and now they want the rest of the country to pay for access to Netflix and porn because they happen to live up a boreen on the side of a hill and cant afford to provide it for them selves.

Fann Linn

Tommy Kelly wrote: »

It's an awful pity there wasn't such an uproar for all the taxes the Local Authorities & County Councils hoovered up over the decades and not spending a penny of it on the upkeep or upgrading our now rotten to the core water system.

The lazy workers are refusing to make the switch to work for IW now because they know too well they won't get a away with doing sweet fck all. Meanwhile we're still paying them.

And who exactly fixes these leaks Tommy, please tell?

Tommy Kelly

Fann Linn wrote: »

And who exactly fixes these leaks Tommy, please tell?

At the moment IW have subbed in contractors to replace all of the lead piping, repair & replace mains pipes in poor condition. That & repairing any leaks on external mains pipes from the boundary box to customers front doors.

It's all there under the 'Projects' section on their website. Check it out.

End of the day Irelands water system should never have gotten to the state it's in today.

What was the local authorities & county councils spending all your tax money on for decades? I'd love to know that.

What were they spending the money that should have been put aside for the upgrading of our water system spent on or where did it go too?

Brendan Bendar

Tommy Kelly wrote: »

At the moment IW have subbed in contractors to replace all of the lead piping, repair & replace mains pipes in poor condition. That & repairing any leaks on external mains pipes from the boundary box to customers front doors.

It's all there under the 'Projects' section on their website. Check it out.

End of the day Irelands water system should never have gotten to the state it's in today.

What was the local authorities & county councils spending all your tax money on for decades? I'd love to know that.

What were they spending the money that should have been put aside for the upgrading of our water system spent on or where did it go too?

So would I.

Which is why they should never be let near projects like water and waste collection again.

cameramonkey

liatroimabu wrote: »

I've already paid down 1700 for my house's water, not to mention approx another 1000 spent to have everything in place for the farm, theres 2700.

I still have to pay for maintenance of my filtration system, and when things go wrong with it , it works out as a bit more than 1.60 a week that was the original charge being asked of people. I'm ok with paying more some years and less other years because all in all it will roughly balance out. What I'm not ok with is people getting it for nothing and blatantly refusing to pay for it.

Do you pay rates for your farm business? Do you get grants for farm buildings?Did you ever get EU payments? The sheer amount of grants available to farmers is astounding.