Budget 2020 new motor tax scale

KCross

mikeecho wrote: »

Well if they can calculate/ regulate how and when you charge your EV with a smart meter, well that's the fuel duty almost taken care of.

Electricity for EV's would simply attract a higher charge.

The smart meters cant do that though.

Even if they could you'd simply stop using your charge point and charge the car via a 3 pin plug and they'd have no idea if thats a kettle or a heat pump or anything else in your house. Its not like the car communicates with the transformer and says "Im a car, send me EV electricity".

Its highly unlikely they can target an electricity tax directly against charging your car at home as it would be trivial to work around it.

Much easier to tax EV's via motor tax and road pricing which they will do but thats years away.

bazz26

They could always just slap a minimum or average EV standing charge on your electric bill or just increase the existing standing charge already on electric bills.

KCross

bazz26 wrote: »

They could always just slap a minimum or average EV standing charge on your electric bill or just increase the existing standing charge already on electric bills.

That would hit everyone regardless of whether you have an EV or not. Try to get that tax through the Dail!

Micky 32

kceire wrote: »

Says your man paying over a grand to Apple
For the new iPhone ???

That's none of your business. But if you must know I don't drink or smoke not married or any kids. Just because someone buys a iphone doesn't mean they are millionaires

Micky 32

dodzy wrote: »

Another thread reduced to heckling babble. Shame really.

Yeah I agree. It boils down to your purchases.

mikeecho

https://pinergy.ie/drive

KCross wrote: »

The smart meters cant do that though.

Even if they could you'd simply stop using your charge point and charge the car via a 3 pin plug and they'd have no idea if thats a kettle or a heat pump or anything else in your house. Its not like the car communicates with the transformer and says "Im a car, send me EV electricity".

Its highly unlikely they can target an electricity tax directly against charging your car at home as it would be trivial to work around it.

Much easier to tax EV's via motor tax and road pricing which they will do but thats years away.

Smart metres.. can't differentiate when an EV is charging... Or can they



And

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fleet-industry-news/2018/08/17/smart-meters-could-help-ev-drivers-cut-bills

bazz26

KCross wrote: »

That would hit everyone regardless of whether you have an EV or not. Try to get that tax through the Dail!

Well if they plan to add additional taxes to motorists of ICE vehicles and they will once more people switch over then surely they can think of ways to tax EV owners too. They already know what type of car you own through the motor tax/registration system. Don't underestimate what they can do or legislate for when they need/want to. They brought in the universal social charge as well as property tax.

KCross

mikeecho wrote: »

https://pinergy.ie/drive




Smart metres.. can't differentiate when an EV is charging... Or can they



And

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fleet-industry-news/2018/08/17/smart-meters-could-help-ev-drivers-cut-bills

There’s a big difference between new time based tariffs as a result of smart meters being installed and the ability to tax the electricity that goes to just the EV.

Just read the rest of their blurb on it. It’s free units at particular times. The meter doesn’t know if it’s your EV or your PlayStation is using the units!

One of the benefits of smart meters is to allow more time based tariffs as the smart meter takes/sends readings every 15mins so the providers can then target cheaper tariffs at times where electricity is in surplus... it’s an improvement on the day/night rate tariffs that we have today as the current meters only have two counters. Smart meters will have the data on 15min intervals.

KCross

bazz26 wrote: »

Well if they plan to add additional taxes to motorists of ICE vehicles and they will once more people switch over then surely they can think of ways to tax EV owners too. They already know what type of car you own through the motor tax/registration system. Don't underestimate what they can do or legislate for when they need/want to. They brought in the universal social charge as well as property tax.

Of course they will. I’m under no illusions that the govt aren’t going to get their pound of flesh.

It’s a long way off though as EVs are a tiny % so far.

martyc5674

bazz26 wrote: »

Well if they plan to add additional taxes to motorists of ICE vehicles and they will once more people switch over then surely they can think of ways to tax EV owners too. They already know what type of car you own through the motor tax/registration system. Don't underestimate what they can do or legislate for when they need/want to. They brought in the universal social charge as well as property tax.

Hard to know if the government will tax elec used for charging EVs, surely the carbon tax will be across the board on your electricity, and the greener our electricity becomes through decarbonisation the less we should pay. Smarter distribution networks will allow the providers to incentivise charging during non peak times but I’d imagine the carbon tax portion of your bill will be unit based, we’ll have to see I guess

One thing they could easily do is introduce congestion charges. I would welcome that.

galwaytt

They'll just add one more line to the ESB bill: "EV levy".

So on your bill you'll have Standing Charge, PSO Levy, Carbon Tax, ....EV Levy..., and VAT.

Even now I've see ESB bills where the fixed charges exceed the actual consumption of electricity.

John_Rambo

Saul Thundering Revenue wrote: »

Rural Ireland is for living in not admiring by tourists and clowns

Just back from driving the full Wild Atlantic Way after working on the marketing project for years.

As a keen motorist I'd advise you to calm down, get out of the traffic, open up the throttle and do likewise!

You'll soon change your mind about what real rural Ireland has to offer the motorist!!

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

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As a keen motorist I'd advise you to calm down, get out of the traffic, open up the throttle and do likewise!
!!

I do this every evening on my way home and a little in the mornings too, once I get out of the city I have open road and some nice backroads also on my way home from work to enjoy some spirited driving.

John_Rambo

Saul Thundering Revenue wrote: »

I do this every evening on my way home and a little in the mornings too, once I get out of the city I have open road and some nice backroads also on my way home from work to enjoy some spirited driving.

I meant on the Wild Atlantic Way or similar stunning area! You'll see what attracts tourists to rural Ireland and the benefits it brings to the local economy.

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

I meant on the Wild Atlantic Way or similar stunning area! You'll see what attracts tourists to rural Ireland and the benefits it brings to the local economy.

I have no issue with tourists, they are very welcome my point was that firstly there is a large portion of rural Ireland that aren’t tourist areas they are places to be lived in and same for the tourist areas these are people home areas and they communities we should not be trying to stop people from living in these rural areas into the future.

John_Rambo

Saul Thundering Revenue wrote: »

I have no issue with tourists, they are very welcome

That's better. I'll continue to holiday in and around rural Ireland comfortably with your blessings! One of the best playgrounds Europe has to offer.

mondeo

What country in Europe has the most outrageous car tax system ? Surely there is a country tearing up the rule book and taxing the sweet christ out of people ? Is that Ireland or did I hear wrong ?

rn

I believe vrt rates in Denmark are far in excess than ours. Many older cars are maintained as a result of taxes on newer cars.

eqwjewoiujqorj

More info IT

If this is correct, it's imports that will be the most affected, esp as a percentage of the value of the car.

A new new environmental health surcharge which would be linked to nitrogen oxide and other pollutants, is expected to be introduced in next week’s budget,
on all new petrol and diesel cars, as well as on used imports.

Varadkar / M.Martin have said there will be climate change policies in budget - with a carbon tax increase of between €5 and €10 per tonne expected.

It would replace the 1 per cent VRT surcharge on diesel vehicles and would be paid on top of VRT.

DoF have laid out options for charges of €5, €7.50 or €10 per mg/km of NOx.

An average new diesel car, with an NOx level of 43mg/km, = €215, €323 and €430 respectively,
Average new petrol car = €115, €173 and €230.
..significantly higher for used imports.

The existing diesel surcharge is seen as problematic since a new diesel car worth €30,000 is paying twice the levy as a secondhand, higher emissions imported car valued at €15,000.

mikeecho

John_Rambo wrote: »

I meant on the Wild Atlantic Way or similar stunning area! You'll see what attracts tourists to rural Ireland and the benefits it brings to the local economy.

+1

I did part of the WAW a few yrs ago.
It was absolutely fantastic.

It really opened my eyes as to why the Yanks and Germans fall in love with this island.

mikeecho

mondeo wrote: »

What country in Europe has the most outrageous car tax system ? Surely there is a country tearing up the rule book and taxing the sweet christ out of people ? Is that Ireland or did I hear wrong ?

Try looking at the Netherlands.
1. Tax on cc
2. Tax on co2
3. Tax on weight of car.
4. Tax on how close you are to the city centre.

And don't get me started on speeding fines .,.. they are considered part and parcel of running a car (but they don't have a points system... It's just a tax on speeding)

And if you convert your car to run on LPG, they recalculate the weight of your car, so you pay more tax.

The grass isn't always greener

larchielads

Right dont really understand the new rates im currently payin 280euro a year , so what will my new rate be??? Its a 1.5 diesel

CiniO

mondeo wrote: »

What country in Europe has the most outrageous car tax system ? Surely there is a country tearing up the rule book and taxing the sweet christ out of people ? Is that Ireland or did I hear wrong ?

Probably Denmark is the worst.
Then Ireland and Netherlans quite similar in lever of motor-rip-off.
Germany, UK, France and most other big EU countries don't really have much motor-related taxes.

Marcusm

CiniO wrote: »

Probably Denmark is the worst.
Then Ireland and Netherlans quite similar in lever of motor-rip-off.
Germany, UK, France and most other big EU countries don't really have much motor-related taxes.

Duty on diesel inthe U.K. is 50% higher than Ireland, roughly 65c per litre vs 42.5c.

galwaytt

John_Rambo wrote: »

Just back from driving the full Wild Atlantic Way after working on the marketing project for years.

As a keen motorist I'd advise you to calm down, get out of the traffic, open up the throttle and do likewise!

You'll soon change your mind about what real rural Ireland has to offer the motorist!!

and for icing on top : do it on a motorbike.

turbocab

how did the irish road haulage association get the commercial tax on artics down from 3000 to 500 euros,about time the AA or some motoring organization could do the same for the hard pressed motorist

mickdw

Ya the tax reduction for trucks was a massive win for them.
The woman boss of their association appears very good when on tv. Likely had a big hand in it.
Nobody to represent the motorist though.

Phil.x

turbocab wrote: »

how did the irish road haulage association get the commercial tax on artics down from 3000 to 500 euros,about time the AA or some motoring organization could do the same for the hard pressed motorist

The AA are a joke.

Atlantic Dawn

Phil.x wrote: »

The AA are a joke.

The FAI of motoring.

Fann Linn

mickdw wrote: »

Ya the tax reduction for trucks was a massive win for them.
The woman boss of their association appears very good when on tv. Likely had a big hand in it.
Nobody to represent the motorist though.

That would be Verona. Only a matter of time before she's grabbed by FF/FG to run in the next election.

mgn

Fann Linn wrote: »

That would be Verona. Only a matter of time before she's grabbed by FF/FG to run in the next election.

She is on the FG ticket in Wexford for the next general election.

Fann Linn

mgn wrote: »

She is on the FG ticket in Wexford for the next general election.

Not surprised to be honest. Very well versed. However I'd be reluctant to give her even a transfer for running for that shower.

She'll end up like George Lee, very capable, but will be made impotent by the political system.

punisher5112

I'm always amazed how the AA gets so much air time on likes of rte or virgin....

They aren't the answer to everything or for everyone.

They are a company in it to make money off all of us if they can get your custom....

mgn

Fann Linn wrote: »

Not surprised to be honest. Very well versed. However I'd be reluctant to give her even a transfer for running for that shower.

She'll end up like George Lee, very capable, but will be made impotent by the political system.

That's the problem nowadays, all media trained talking like robots and told what to say.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Phil.x wrote: »

The AA are a joke.

Every single time you hear that Conor Faughnan on the radio or tv he’s always justifying increases or new laws to penalize motorists. He’s an absolute prick of the highest order.

mgn

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Every single time you hear that Conor Faughnan on the radio or tv he’s always justifying increases or new laws to penalize motorists. He’s an absolute prick of the highest order.

Couldn't agree more.

mickdw

To be fair he was on yesterday saying a petrol and diesel price increase shouldn't take place until there were reasonable alternatives to using the car.

BorneTobyWilde

Climate Change is an excuse to introduce another tax on people. It raises €400 million a year but it goes straight into the general exchequer pot. Does it help lower emissions ? No!
Maybe if the money was used to replace every diesel bus in Dublin it would be something, but the money goes straight into the coffers.

FutureTeashock

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Climate Change is an excuse to introduce another tax on people. It raises €400 million a year but it goes straight into the general exchequer pot. Does it help lower emissions ? No!
Maybe if the money was used to replace every diesel bus in Dublin it would be something, but the money goes straight into the coffers.

It's death by 1000 cuts. Carbon taxes, motor taxes, increased property taxes water etc,.


How much longer will people take this ****e? :mad:

Atlantic Dawn

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Climate Change is an excuse to introduce another tax on people. It raises €400 million a year but it goes straight into the general exchequer pot. Does it help lower emissions ? No!
Maybe if the money was used to replace every diesel bus in Dublin it would be something, but the money goes straight into the coffers.

The only plus was Lorenzo was a slight breeze of wind, if it was big damage they would use it as an excuse.

Micky 32

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Climate Change is an excuse to introduce another tax on people. It raises €400 million a year but it goes straight into the general exchequer pot. Does it help lower emissions ? No!
Maybe if the money was used to replace every diesel bus in Dublin it would be something, but the money goes straight into the coffers.

The problem i have is that no one wants to know or mention that the sun in the last 100 years has increased it's energy output, gotten hotter. But i guess you can't tax the sun :rolleyes:

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Micky 32 wrote: »

The problem i have is that no one wants to know or mention that the sun in the last 100 years has increased it's energy output, gotten hotter. But i guess you can't tax the sun :rolleyes:

If our government could somehow block out the sun and charge you for it they would, they did it with water.

Atlantic Dawn

Hunky Monster wrote: »

If our government could somehow block out the sun and charge you for it they would, they did it with water.

Like the English did in this country when they taxed houses for having more than 2 windows.

Eric Cartman

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Like the English did in this country when they taxed houses for having more than 2 windows.

and in true irish form, theres many buildings where people would rather brick up the windows than pay the tax.

Atlantic Dawn

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and in true irish form, theres many buildings where people would rather brick up the windows than pay the tax.

Lol the crewcabs of yesteryear.

DaveyDave

Trucks capped at €500, taxis €108, tractors €333, motorhomes only €102.

Why is a Golf GTI more expensive to tax than a Scania? This is purely an emissions based tax but it's brushed off on trucks and the like. On top of that EVs are zero emission vehicles but have emissions based VRT and motor tax on them?

mgn

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and in true irish form, theres many buildings where people would rather brick up the windows than pay the tax.

At least it was a simple choice, close up any more than 2 windows or pay the tax, unlike this carbon tax bulls*it where most people have no choice but pay it.

Eric Cartman

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Lol the crewcabs of yesteryear.

I didn't want the back middle seat in my range rover anyway :pac:
I would gladly sit in a dark room to not pay a window tax, Im just glad I live in a nation notorious for it and im not alone.

Micky 32

I read to today that as long as Leo is in power he will rise carbon tax every year.

Eric Cartman

Micky 32 wrote: »

I read to today that as long as Leo is in power he will rise carbon tax every year.

ofcourse , sure Leo and all his buddies have state cars they don't pay for and hang out in the city, no regard for what goes on outside the green luas line.