#GreatestLeagueInTheWorld LOI 2019 pt 2

CSF

artanevilla wrote: »

If they didn't do it, I wouldn't get a ticket as I'm away for the couple of hour window that tickets are on sale.

Club is owned by the members, it's only right that I should just be able to turn up on the night and be able to get in. I would say the vast, vast majority of members will attend, I don't see any empty seats

Why wouldn't they just do online sales for members up until they start selling them in the ground?


At least that way, if you've members who aren't planning on buying a ticket, more people can buy tickets than will be currently able.

artanevilla

CSF wrote: »

Why wouldn't they just do online sales for members up until they start selling them in the ground?


At least that way, if you've members who aren't planning on buying a ticket, more people can buy tickets than will be currently able.

Club wouldn't have the manpower to set up that kind of system I'd say.

major bill

CSF wrote: »

artanevilla wrote: »

If they didn't do it, I wouldn't get a ticket as I'm away for the couple of hour window that tickets are on sale.

Club is owned by the members, it's only right that I should just be able to turn up on the night and be able to get in. I would say the vast, vast majority of members will attend, I don't see any empty seats

Why wouldn't they just do online sales for members up until they start selling them in the ground?


At least that way, if you've members who aren't planning on buying a ticket, more people can buy tickets than will be currently able.

How would you restrict the online sales to just members?? By membership number ? You’d still have to adjust the online system to accommodate these rules restrictions and one week to go until match day! it’s not ideal!

Clubs hands are tied here they trying to accommodate loyalty and I think if anyone truly wants a ticket they will get one as said any member that can’t make it no doubt the card will end up with someone else a friend or whoever! I’ve done it plenty of times this season handing over mine to mates if can’t make it I pay enough thoughout the year for it not to go to waste!

howiya

artanevilla wrote: »

If they didn't do it, I wouldn't get a ticket as I'm away for the couple of hour window that tickets are on sale.

Club is owned by the members, it's only right that I should just be able to turn up on the night and be able to get in. I would say the vast, vast majority of members will attend, I don't see any empty seats

How many members do Bohs have out of interest?

artanevilla

howiya wrote: »

How many members do Bohs have out of interest?

Approx 400.

osarusan

A couple of big matches between say Shamrock Rover and Linfield aside, an AIL isn't really any more attractive than the LOI. Most of the games would be against the same teams they're against now anyway. I don't see TV companies being willing to throw any real money at it.

On UCD, the fact that a university team with a couple of hundred fans can play in the top division really shows what a shambles the whole league is. They 'shouldn't' be anywhere near the top division, but they are, because so many other teams are such a mess, my own most of all.

overshoot

artanevilla wrote: »

UCD have no business being in the top division. Wouldn't get it in any other country and just shows how underfunded the league is.

Mexico has 2university teams in their top tier... UNAM Pumas play out of a 55,000 capacity stadium...

As someone else said, 8,10,12 teams make very little difference. It's all about the branding and marketing.
An 8 team league will just guarantee a top 7, short of a massive cash injection, no team will be able to step up and it could be a financial catastrophe for those who fail trying to compete/have a bad year. It's not that long since Drogheda won the league... It's hard enough to step up to the premier as it is now.

Do we actually have 8 good stadiums? Some teams are drawing crowds but most grounds have seen better days no mooted projects are going ahead at present thanks to the FAI, government, whoever.

Changing the format AGAIN truly is deckchairs on the titanic. Increased in 04, cut in 08, increased, cut again... Clearly if it was the number of teams something would have changed by now. It's instability like that which is another mess on the league's reputation.

ben.schlomo

Fully agree that the main stumbling block to the LOI improving is in advertising, promotion etc but an 8 team league would ruin it for the rest. How could a team have any chance of pushing up without a money man at the helm and we all know what happens next then. 12 teams with 2 up/down and a playoff is the optimal for me. Gives a chance for clubs to get promoted, stay up and try and grow. Then market it properly and have actual prize money and there's a chance it'll improve.

joeysoap

Not sure of 2 up / 2 down and a playoff.

Certainly would increase the chances of promotion, The promoted teams would then spend the season fighting relegation if 2 were to be relegated automatically.

gwalk

wonder what they are

https://twitter.com/ShamrockRovers/status/1174289552485339136

joeysoap

That link isn’t working for me


No online tickets for Oriel next Monday.

Tickets for this fixture are available from the office at Oriel Park ONLY. There are no online tickets available. The fixture is likely to be a sell out – we urge supporters to purchase their ticket as early as possible.

dfx-

Everyone thinks of Linfield or Cliftonville in an all Irish league, but beyond them, there's no interest in playing Ballymena, Institute, Distillery or Newry which would be the real effect of putting everyone together. I've no real interest in playing Linfield either tbh.

The league needs an A-Championship and structure below them before reducing teams or expanding teams or bringing in worse teams from the North. The 'best team in years' in non-league, Crumlin, were comfortably dispatched by Bohs in terms of fitness and strength.

How many league champions have started out at UCD? And they shouldn't be 'allowed' go up? How many are in the top sides now? Harps have held their own as much as Cork or Waterford.

The LOI is the only show in town whether people like it or not.

gwalk wrote: »

wonder what they are

Ability to pay in cash on the turnstiles to an unknown number of people in a mixed gate must be there.

artanevilla

I'd imagine allocation would be sold out before any tickets get to turnstiles. Bohs will just send 800 tickets to Tallaght and let them sort out how they want to distribute. There will be no online sales for obvious reasons.

tastyt

dfx- wrote: »

Everyone thinks of Linfield or Cliftonville in an all Irish league, but beyond them, there's no interest in playing Ballymena, Institute, Distillery or Newry which would be the real effect of putting everyone together. I've no real interest in playing Linfield either tbh.

The league needs an A-Championship and structure below them before reducing teams or expanding teams or bringing in worse teams from the North. The 'best team in years' in non-league, Crumlin, were comfortably dispatched by Bohs in terms of fitness and strength.

How many league champions have started out at UCD? And they shouldn't be 'allowed' go up? How many are in the top sides now? Harps have held their own as much as Cork or Waterford.

The LOI is the only show in town whether people like it or not.



Ability to pay in cash on the turnstiles to an unknown number of people in a mixed gate must be there.

Is there a will in sorting out a proper football ladder in the country?

I don't know the ins and outs of Leinster and Munster senior league etc but would they have any interest in being promoted towards an A championship or would there be a lot of resistance?

Obviously anything lower than 1st division would have to be regionalised

bohsman

howiya wrote: »

How many members do Bohs have out of interest?

Between members and ST holders it's around 1000 total. Think I saw 550 members and 400 ST holders in recent reports. If changes weren't planned for Dalymount I'd say the club would need to look into a different ticketing system for members but probably not worth it in the short term.

Darkglasses

tastyt wrote: »

Is there a will in sorting out a proper football ladder in the country?

I don't know the ins and outs of Leinster and Munster senior league etc but would they have any interest in being promoted towards an A championship or would there be a lot of resistance?

Obviously anything lower than 1st division would have to be regionalised

Tbh, the likes of Wexford would probably benefit from having a lower level to play at. Small number of volunteers killing themselves to be whipping boys every year is a pain.

major bill

tastyt wrote: »

Is there a will in sorting out a proper football ladder in the country?

I don't know the ins and outs of Leinster and Munster senior league etc but would they have any interest in being promoted towards an A championship or would there be a lot of resistance?

Obviously anything lower than 1st division would have to be regionalised

There would no resistance if FAI sorted out the fees in entering.

artanevilla

bohsman wrote: »

Between members and ST holders it's around 1000 total. Think I saw 550 members and 400 ST holders in recent reports. If changes weren't planned for Dalymount I'd say the club would need to look into a different ticketing system for members but probably not worth it in the short term.

Other way around, 391 members and 514 season tickets for 2018 season anyway.

bohsman

Always surprised the club get many ST holders when you consider the value of membership at not much extra cost.

With the FAI in chaos this is the perfect time to structure the league properly all the way down, just needs investment from the top down not a couple of novelty sized cheques and the rest used for JDs birthday. They've shown with the underage LOI section that they can force the hands of the junior clubs.

BOHtox

artanevilla wrote: »

Approx 400.

There was a big drive this year and that's closer to 500 members members now I believe.

As of the AGM there was 78 new members and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a few stragglers after.

Dr. Bre

BOHtox wrote: »

There was a big drive this year and that's closer to 500 members members now I believe.

As of the AGM there was 78 new members and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a few stragglers after.

The drive for 500?

diusmr8a504cvk

tastyt wrote: »

I don't know the ins and outs of Leinster and Munster senior league etc but would they have any interest in being promoted towards an A championship or would there be a lot of resistance?

Obviously anything lower than 1st division would have to be regionalised

To be honest the Munster and Leinster Senior Leagues having their provinces in the title is laughable. Munster Senior is entirely Cork, Leinster Senior is for the most part Dublin and some surrounding areas, Ulster Senior has 7 teams which includes Harps and Derry Reserves while I'm fairly sure the remaining 5 are Donegal, the Connacht Senior League saw attempts to be brought back a few years ago but no joy.

In the league's current guise I can't see anyone wanting to join, but if you brought in an A Championship (which I'm all for) and didn't charge clubs an arm and a leg to join then I'm sure you'd have clubs who'd only love to progress a bit.

But if you're going to bring in a Third tier then you need to sort out the progression from Junior to Intermediate. There needs to be proper Provincial leagues that actually encompass clubs from outside of one area (doesn't have to span the length and breadth), promotion from Junior leagues to those aforementioned Intermediate ones as well as some progression from Intermediate to Senior provided a club is capable of taking a place in the league.

It's not even rocket science; it's a football pyramid.

artanevilla

BOHtox wrote: »

There was a big drive this year and that's closer to 500 members members now I believe.

As of the AGM there was 78 new members and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a few stragglers after.

Hopefully with all the sells outs this season we can come up with a few more. It’s only a Euro a day.

- bo -

Figures as of last week anyway are 564 members and 459 season ticket holders at Bohs.

BOHtox

- bo - wrote: »

Figures as of last week anyway are 564 members and 459 season ticket holders at Bohs.

Incredible numbers compared to what we were a few years ago.

Our average attendance in 2014 was 1395. After this Keith Long was appointed Bohs manager.
15 - 1724
16 - 1627
17 - 2006
18 - 2202
19 - 2864

We've nearly the same amount of members and ST holders than our average attendance a few years ago. We're bringing more to away games than we were getting at home games. We're at a stage where we're heavily limited by capacity.

major bill

BOHtox wrote: »

Incredible numbers compared to what we were a few years ago.

Our average attendance in 2014 was 1395. After this Keith Long was appointed Bohs manager.
15 - 1724
16 - 1627
17 - 2006
18 - 2202
19 - 2864

We've nearly the same amount of members and ST holders than our average attendance a few years ago. We're bringing more to away games than we were getting at home games. We're at a stage where we're heavily limited by capacity.

Success on the pitch is helping but think it comes down to the fact, Dalymount is a good night out, as I'd say, a great session ruined by a game of football.

Incredible work over the last few years to establish our increased fanbase

defo limited now in this ground, said earlier, we coulda had 10,000 for this semi final game with old capacity not too long ago.

tastyt

I saw a piece with bohs head of marketing on eir sports. I think he owns a coffee shop in phibsboro.

He's done a brilliant job, creating a real brand and sense of club at bohs. Very interesting to listen to as well. Knows it's not all about the quality on the pitch, it's about the experience, the atmosphere. Those attendance stats above will show you that, especially when you consider bohs haven't been challenging for any trophies and haven't even been in Europe.

The fai could do a lot worse than make him an offer to go and market the league.

If bohs can get the dalymount ball rolling again great things could be ahead.

johnnyryan89

tastyt wrote: »

I saw a piece with bohs head of marketing on eir sports. I think he owns a coffee shop in phibsboro.

He's done a brilliant job, creating a real brand and sense of club at bohs. Very interesting to listen to as well. Knows it's not all about the quality on the pitch, it's about the experience, the atmosphere. Those attendance stats above will show you that, especially when you consider bohs haven't been challenging for any trophies and haven't even been in Europe.

The fai could do a lot worse than make him an offer to go and market the league.

If bohs can get the dalymount ball rolling again great things could be ahead.

Should check out Daniel Lambert's interview on GLITW podcast. Well worth a listen. Think it was towards the start of the 2018 season, the new Cork GM was also on the show and the difference between both guys was night and day.

Fan of Netflix

Shameful by FAI and Limerick to treat this fella like this. Even GAA club players would get their medical costs covered

https://www.the42.ie/sean-russell-interview-4814616-Sep2019/

joeysoap

That was a good win for Slovan Bratislava last night


I’ll get my coat

Collibosher

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Shameful by FAI and Limerick to treat this fella like this. Even GAA club players would get their medical costs covered

https://www.the42.ie/sean-russell-interview-4814616-Sep2019/

Someone in our house did an acl last year playing for an amateur Dublin club, and initially it seemed there was an issue over insurance. FAI told me there was no obligation for clubs to have any insurance to cover injuries to players. :rolleyes:

Operation alone was five and a half grand, plus costs of mri scans and the endless physio over the following year probably comes in at another few grand.

Players at all levels really need to check what level of cover their club has, in some cases it is a bare minimum, and no where near covers what is fairly common injury these days.

bot43

Harps visit CCFC tonight in a relegation play off 6 pointer. The accepted knowledge down here is that harps have already been beaten and we are safe. God help us if the players have that attitude.

It will be a tight game and I suspect Harps will win 0-2 / 1-3

osarusan

Of all the shyte the club has been involved with over the last couple of years, not covering treatment for your own player's injury is right at the top for me.

I would always have thought that proof of insurance was a basic necessity for licensing.

dfx-

tastyt wrote: »

Is there a will in sorting out a proper football ladder in the country?

I don't know the ins and outs of Leinster and Munster senior league etc but would they have any interest in being promoted towards an A championship or would there be a lot of resistance?

Obviously anything lower than 1st division would have to be regionalised

There's absolutely no will of course and why rearranging the chairs is always preferred like adding or removing teams and mixing leagues. Limerick v Dungannon Swifts on a Tuesday night will have people crowding in...

But there was no will from Kevin's or Cabinteely or junior teams to be linked up with an LOI club either. And that happened.

The First Division shouldn't be the first time you face a national league

Collibosher

Collibosher wrote: »

Someone in our house did an acl last year playing for an amateur Dublin club, and initially it seemed there was an issue over insurance. FAI told me there was no obligation for clubs to have any insurance to cover injuries to players. :rolleyes:

Well...there may be no obligation to have insurance...but that's far from saying there is no obligation to cover his medical expenses.

If a person is a member of a club and he is told he has insurance, he may be able to issue for breach of contract and/or misrepresentation if that turns out to be incorrect. Now that's not to say he would recover all damages to cover, say, time off work., but he would surely recoup his medicals.

Fan of Netflix

Euromillions tonight is €190 million. Think I'll buy Longford Town if I win :cool:

tastyt

Just saw an add on rte, they are showing the cork club hurling quarter finals live at the weekend.

Keeps getting better

artanevilla

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Euromillions tonight is €190 million. Think I'll buy Longford Town if I win :cool:

It's the LOI, you'd be broke in a month.

Shedite27

tastyt wrote: »

Just saw an add on rte, they are showing the cork club hurling quarter finals live at the weekend.

Keeps getting better

They're showing live club GAA on Saturday evenings for the next 8 weeks. They're following the ratings unfortunately.

Christy Browne

tastyt wrote: »

Just saw an add on rte, they are showing the cork club hurling quarter finals live at the weekend.

Keeps getting better

Can't understand people whinging about this, it'll probably get more viewers than the average LOI game too. RTÉ should be able to do both.

irishmanmick

Christy Browne wrote: »

Can't understand people whinging about this, it'll probably get more viewers than the average LOI game too. RTÉ should be able to do both.

Have to say, I tend to agree here. I'd watch both.

Love RTE to have a sports dedicated channel. Plenty of sport in Ireland for it. LOI, Gaelic football, Hurling, Rugby, Athlectics, Hockey, Cricket from the domestic end. Add in their international football / rugby rights. There'd be plenty to show I'd say.

They must have reams of old GAA footage as filler.

They could then show a LOI game every week & have a proper highlight show

wadacrack

The coverage of LOI on TV has been very good this year. But they really missed out not showing Shamrock Rovers v Brann and Apollon, especially Jack Byrne's performance in both games

bohsman

Living abroad it's been nearly impossible to find ways to watch Eir so have been mainly stuck with the sportstracker stream, improvement on recent years but hoping this new streaming system Cork and Dundalk are trialling gets a full rollout.

dundalkfc10

wadacrack wrote: »

The coverage of LOI on TV has been very good this year. But they really missed out not showing Shamrock Rovers v Brann and Apollon, especially Jack Byrne's performance in both games

Missed his performances Vs Bohs and Dundalk myself this season

dfx-

bohsman wrote: »

Living abroad it's been nearly impossible to find ways to watch Eir so have been mainly stuck with the sportstracker stream, improvement on recent years but hoping this new streaming system Cork and Dundalk are trialling gets a full rollout.

that's an odd one, some have said that as well. My mobile contract is with eir with access to their app and their channels, so eir is the easiest way of watching games* living abroad.

*Rovers record on eir is more off-putting...

tastyt

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Euromillions tonight is €190 million. Think I'll buy Longford Town if I win :cool:

If ye won 190 million lads would ye genuinely buy your club? How much would you be willing to plough into it ?

kksaints

irishmanmick wrote: »

Have to say, I tend to agree here. I'd watch both.

Love RTE to have a sports dedicated channel. Plenty of sport in Ireland for it. LOI, Gaelic football, Hurling, Rugby, Athlectics, Hockey, Cricket from the domestic end. Add in their international football / rugby rights. There'd be plenty to show I'd say.

They must have reams of old GAA footage as filler.

They could then show a LOI game every week & have a proper highlight show

As great as this would be and it's done in other countries like Austria, it won't be done here for 1 reason, Rte and its budgetary issues. Outside broadcast units are expensive and rte is already struggling due to its insistence on paying over the odds for useless presenters and terrible comedy and reality TV shows.

Shedite27

tastyt wrote: »

If ye won 190 million lads would ye genuinely buy your club? How much would you be willing to plough into it ?

Not sure Cork City would want to sell to a single person anymore. Had enough problems with that in the past. That said I doubt they'd say no to a sugar daddy signing a blank check each year.

If I'd the chance, yeah I'd like to buy it, wouldn't go crazy, but would keep them on a level playing field with Dundalk. If Dundalk get €2m from a European run, plough that matching amount in

johnnyryan89

tastyt wrote: »

If ye won 190 million lads would ye genuinely buy your club? How much would you be willing to plough into it ?

With a €190m you could afford to do a Pat O'Sullivan in terms of money spent but this time actually spend it wisely. You've got a €190m, might as well enjoy yourself because you can't take it with you

diusmr8a504cvk

Dylan McGlade mentioning on his socials about moving to Newcastle on Sunday. More than likely trialling with some non-league side like Gateshead.