Crisis on Infinite Earths (Arrowverse Crossover 2019)

CastorTroy

It's going to be annoying for anyone watching on Sky here. They have the rights to Arrow, Flash, Legends and Supergirl, but not Batwoman. So miss a fifth of the event.

Wonder are they going to do the usual deal of supporting Supergirl characters only appearing in the Supergirl part, supporting Arrow characters only appearing in Arrow and so on? Or will they just use who they need, when they need?

Also Starring LeVar Burton

I've only kept up to date with Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow since the last crossover...

Is there anything especially important that I need to know from any of the other shows that they've been building up for Crisis? I've heard there may be a couple of important things stemming from The Flash and that The Monitor has been appearing on that show like he has on Arrow? Any Flash fans care to lay out any important plot points? What's the story with whatever version of Wells (as he's obviously got a big part to play) is currently on The Flash?

Arrow has obviously been having a bit of a build-up, with Oliver knocking about running errands for the Monitor (although most of this feels inconsequential in the grand scheme). The three main things I think that need to be know from Arrow (and obviously there's still an episode to go) is that Oliver knows that he will die as a result of Crisis and he can't change that, that Earth 2 has been wiped from existence, and that Lyla is working for the Monitor.

EoinMcLovin

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

I've only kept up to date with Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow since the last crossover...

Is there anything especially important that I need to know from any of the other shows that they've been building up for Crisis? I've heard there may be a couple of important things stemming from The Flash and that The Monitor has been appearing on that show like he has on Arrow? Any Flash fans care to lay out any important plot points? What's the story with whatever version of Wells (as he's obviously got a big part to play) is currently on The Flash?

Arrow has obviously been having a bit of a build-up, with Oliver knocking about running errands for the Monitor (although most of this feels inconsequential in the grand scheme). The three main things I think that need to be know from Arrow (and obviously there's still an episode to go) is that Oliver knows that he will die as a result of Crisis and he can't change that, that Earth 2 has been wiped from existence, and that Lyla is working for the Monitor.

Here is a breakdown on what I think you need to know from the other shows


The Flash

In the very first episode of this season, The Monitor tells Barry that he is fated to die during the Crisis and that there is nothing he can do to prevent it. Barry visits Jay Garrick in Earth 3 and uses a device that allows him to look into the day after the Crisis to see if it's true. He sees millions of versions of the Crisis where everybody dies except one where he sacrifices himself. After accepting that he will die, he goes about making sure Team Flash will be able to go on without him.


The version of Wells this season is Nash Wells who is a sort of Indiana Jones type character who busts myths in different Earths. He ends up on Earth 1 as he has been after the Monitor. He discovers a hidden door underneath Central City that he believes leads to the Monitor. In the teaser that was released after Batwoman we see that a voice tells him how to open the door. When he solves the puzzle there is a bright light and he disappears. This is how he becomes Pariah and it looks like he breaks free the Anti-Monitor (could be wrong as in the comics this is what happens to this character)

Supergirl

At the end of last season which had Lex Luthor in it, he is killed by Lena. At the end of the episode we see the Monitor revive him for some reason. In the teaser after the Midseason Finale of Supergirl we see that it has something to do with the Book of Destiny last seen in Elseworlds and that it is his chance to become a hero. The Monitor also releases a Martian from the Phantom Zone who we find out is the brother of J'onn Jones. We find out that he was banished there as he tried to rebel with the White Martians. J'onn erased all memories of his Brother from every Martian including himself. His brother has the ability to control minds.



Long story short the two brothers make up after doing a mind meld and his brother goes to Mars to help Megann. We then see that this was a test from The Monitor to make J'onn ready for Crisis

For Batwoman and Black Lightning there is not much you need to know. Batwoman has taken over from Batman who disappeared from Gotham and Black Lightning is a metahuman with control over Electricity

Also Starring LeVar Burton

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Here is a breakdown on what I think you need to know from the other shows


The Flash

In the very first episode of this season, The Monitor tells Barry that he is fated to die during the Crisis and that there is nothing he can do to prevent it. Barry visits Jay Garrick in Earth 3 and uses a device that allows him to look into the day after the Crisis to see if it's true. He sees millions of versions of the Crisis where everybody dies except one where he sacrifices himself. After accepting that he will die, he goes about making sure Team Flash will be able to go on without him.


The version of Wells this season is Nash Wells who is a sort of Indiana Jones type character who busts myths in different Earths. He ends up on Earth 1 as he has been after the Monitor. He discovers a hidden door underneath Central City that he believes leads to the Monitor. In the teaser that was released after Batwoman we see that a voice tells him how to open the door. When he solves the puzzle there is a bright light and he disappears. This is how he becomes Pariah and it looks like he breaks free the Anti-Monitor (could be wrong as in the comics this is what happens to this character)

Supergirl

At the end of last season which had Lex Luthor in it, he is killed by Lena. At the end of the episode we see the Monitor revive him for some reason. In the teaser after the Midseason Finale of Supergirl we see that it has something to do with the Book of Destiny last seen in Elseworlds and that it is his chance to become a hero. The Monitor also releases a Martian from the Phantom Zone who we find out is the brother of J'onn Jones. We find out that he was banished there as he tried to rebel with the White Martians. J'onn erased all memories of his Brother from every Martian including himself. His brother has the ability to control minds.



Long story short the two brothers make up after doing a mind meld and his brother goes to Mars to help Megann. We then see that this was a test from The Monitor to make J'onn ready for Crisis

For Batwoman and Black Lightning there is not much you need to know. Batwoman has taken over from Batman who disappeared from Gotham and Black Lightning is a metahuman with control over Electricity

Excellent. Thanks for that, much appreciated. Used to watch them all at one stage, but then there were far too many shows and I was really only enjoying Legends and Arrow, so cut the rest of them. Still liked all the characters involved in the rest, but the shows themselves just became a bit of a chore to keep up with.

Looking forward to Crisis and I hope it lives up to the hype.

EoinMcLovin

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Excellent. Thanks for that, much appreciated. Used to watch them all at one stage, but then there were far too many shows and I was really only enjoying Legends and Arrow, so cut the rest of them. Still liked all the characters involved in the rest, but the shows themselves just became a bit of a chore to keep up with.

Looking forward to Crisis and I hope it lives up to the hype.

Yeah I've been watching all the shows and shows like Batwoman and Black Lightning have their moments. Black Lightning itself is very different compared to the other shows as it deals with alot of real world problems. It also breaks episodes into multiple arcs. I'm still hoping that the aftermath of Crisis leads to all the shows being set on the same Earth.

Can't see how they will top Crisis as this is one of the biggest events in DC Comics.

CastorTroy

Was there anything in this week's Black Lightning or did they just have the Nash Wells bit again?

I'm sure the explanation for what he said will be in this week's Flash.

EoinMcLovin

CastorTroy wrote: »

Was there anything in this week's Black Lightning or did they just have the Nash Wells bit again?

I'm sure the explanation for what he said will be in this week's Flash.

Haven't watched it yet but I don't think so as there was no video released on YouTube like the 2 for Supergirl and Batwoman. The final trailer will release tonight probably after Arrow

corkie

Arrow: Crisis on Infinite Earths, Part 4
Episode airs 14 January 2020

So a big gap over the holidays to see the conclusion!?

EoinMcLovin

corkie wrote: »

Arrow: Crisis on Infinite Earths, Part 4
Episode airs 14 January 2020

So a big gap over the holidays to see the conclusion!?

Yep, the third part will end in a cliffhanger. I'd say part 4 will be the aftermath Of Crisis

McLoughlin

New trailer

EoinMcLovin

McLoughlin wrote: »

New trailer

Super spoilerly so be warned

Mr E

Does look great though.

EoinMcLovin

Mr E wrote: »

Does look great though.

Yeah TheCW go all out for these promos

RobbingBandit

It's always 7 heroes

I hope it's gonna be as good as it looks

EoinMcLovin

So there was no extra Crisis preview in Black Lightning but the promo for the next episode which is set between part 2 and 3 of the Crisis shows Red Skies and parallel versions of some of the characters. So I’d say it might be best to watch it after part 2 which is the Batwoman episode and before part 3 which is The Flash just to get an intro to Black Lightning

RobbingBandit

Liked Black Lighting season 1 concept of the character was interesting actor is good in the role.

EoinMcLovin

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Liked Black Lighting season 1 concept of the character was interesting actor is good in the role.

Yeah the show has changed a lot since season one. The second season was organized into smaller arcs known as "books" to mimic the style of the comic book source material and this has continued into season 3.

EoinMcLovin

DC are releasing a 2 issue comic that will expand on the crossover showing characters that couldn’t be in the TV event
https://twitter.com/dccomics/status/1202598477571788800

EoinMcLovin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRpd4lj69ZY

pixelburp

I've always loved how, as much as they might try, those CW shows' big action climaxes always end up with actors flailing like eejits around somewhere outside in Vancouver, with minimal CGI to dress up the drama

Don't think I'm going to bother with this years, on consideration. Still watching Supergirl, so I'll catch the first episode of Crisis(?), but I haven't returned to The Flash, and don't feel I'm missing anything. Unless I hear it ends with some big important change to the universe (which is rumoured).

EoinMcLovin

pixelburp wrote: »

I've always loved how, as much as they might try, those CW shows' big action climaxes always end up with actors flailing like eejits around somewhere outside in Vancouver, with minimal CGI to dress up the drama

Don't think I'm going to bother with this years, on consideration. Still watching Supergirl, so I'll catch the first episode of Crisis(?), but I haven't returned to The Flash, and don't feel I'm missing anything. Unless I hear it ends with some big important change to the universe (which is rumoured).

Guggenheim has said that Crisis is the chance for all the shows to change anything they want so I can expect big changes to some of the shows.

pixelburp

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Guggenheim has said that Crisis is the chance for all the shows to change anything they want so I can expect big changes to some of the shows.

Right. I presume the "previously on..." for each show will catch up on the new status quo that happened elsewhere.

How is Flash this year? In so burnt out by its lazy formula I'm struggling to raise the energy to watch.

EoinMcLovin

pixelburp wrote: »

Right. I presume the "previously on..." for each show will catch up on the new status quo that happened elsewhere.

How is Flash this year? In so burnt out by its lazy formula I'm struggling to raise the energy to watch.

I posted a recap of this season of Flash earlier this week in this thread along with recaps for the other shows. It was an alright season, it was mainly getting the team ready for after Crisis.

Here a refresher on all the shows apart from Black Lightning, spoilers obviously
https://www.tvguide.com/news/arrowverse-refresher-what-happened-crisis-on-infinite-earths/

RobbingBandit

Comic sites have extensive spoilers I'm shutting down until I see Supergirl on Monday morning

fritzelly

Well that was a shock ending -

three more episodes of Arrow left without Arrow

- and damn the big gap

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Well f**k! Where do we go from here?

Epic start to the crossover.

pah

Good episode, nice Easter eggs and cameos. The "army" that they had to fight was a pile of sh1te however

Agent Coulson

A bit Meh for me.

Really can't stand Batwoman or more so the actress.

CastorTroy

I liked it as an opener.

Surprised that happened at the end, so soon.
Earth 1 is gonna get a shock when 3 billion people land.
So where did Oliver get the case from that he gave to Mia?

Had a wee laugh at them obviously missing some effects. When Batwoman jumped the crates with her upgraded batarang, could see Ray in the background moving his hands shooting, but nothing was coming out.

Didn't recognise Wil Wheaton until I saw his name in the end credits

EoinMcLovin

CastorTroy wrote: »

I liked it as an opener.

where did Oliver get the case from that he gave to Mia?

He probably got Ray or Brainy to make it since they were at the DEO.

fritzelly

pah wrote: »

Good episode, nice Easter eggs and cameos. The "army" that they had to fight was a pile of sh1te however

The army was a bit naff but not bad for a tv show

RobbingBandit

Holy **** that is the way to start a crossover no turning back now.

EoinMcLovin

Crisis Aftermath Q and A show that aired after part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg0YhFQfJtE

RobbingBandit

Holy #@&* Jason Todd and Hawk from Titans that is the one Easter egg I did not expect

Agent Coulson

I will say if that is the last we see of

Stephen Amell

in the Arrowverse that will go down as the greatest exit from a show ever.


However they will undo everything before the end.

_Kaiser_

So I only watch Flash (and even that's a struggle lately). Do I really need to watch this?

RobbingBandit

As long as Batwoman gets murdered or shot into the sun I'll be satisfied. Great cameos in those opening scenes

RobbingBandit

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So I only watch Flash (and even that's a struggle lately). Do I really need to watch this?

Yes definitely watch Supergirl and Batwoman too once that airs.

EoinMcLovin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I will say if that is the last we see of

Stephen Amell

in the Arrowverse that will go down as the greatest exit from a show ever.


However they will undo everything before the end.

I'd say

Amell

will still be in the crossover but as different versions of

Oliver

ixoy

Lacked a little something for me - it was a bit too busy and so the ending lost some impact. Almost too quickly dealt with.

Any time Batwoman spoke, the energy just drained from the screen. Shocking how poor she fares against Melissa Benoist who shines on screen.

I wonder how much of a reset we'll have:

I suspect Earth-38 is bunched and this allows them to have Supergirl and Superman remain on Earth-1.

Oliver might come back with a variant.

The Flash will die but it'll be something lame like a Flash from an alternate universe.

.

McLoughlin

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Holy #@&* Jason Todd and Hawk from Titans that is the one Easter egg I did not expect

Shame it was stock footage though. For me the best easter eggs were the Batman 89 and Batman 66 theme tune

Mr E

I thought that was great. The only downside was the dementors - a bit derivative and a bit crap.

Wasn't expecting that ending so soon (even though in hindsight it was foreshadowed by

the costume handover

).

McLoughlin

From tonight's episode The last ten seconds Oh jesus HEAVY SPOILER

fritzelly

Knew Brandon Routh was gonna reprise his role as Superman - think it's been general knowledge for a while now so not such a big spoiler but looking forward to it (didn't think it was a bad film at all and looked so much like CR)

McLoughlin

fritzelly wrote: »

Knew Brandon Routh was gonna reprise his role as Superman - think it's been general knowledge for a while now so not such a big spoiler but looking forward to it (didn't think it was a bad film at all and looked so much like CR)

Its the music that theme hearing it so unexpected

fritzelly

McLoughlin wrote: »

Its the music that theme hearing it so unexpected

Had to rewatch it, very low key. Hated the new theme for Superman - really thought they would have brought it in somehow, I mean Superman was iconic throughout the 80's
Wonder how much those few seconds cost...

Mr E

Well there was no slowing down with this one. 2 out of 2 great episodes.
Brandon looked great in the suit and Kevin Conroy was an excellent real-life Bruce.
Erica Durance is still a babe too.

Even Ruby didn't screw up her own episode.

I have to give credit to the composers too. They're doing a great job of mixing in the little musical motifs we all love.

RobbingBandit

I laughed at the farmer love the direction the story took there it's a great crossover so far.

EoinMcLovin

RobbingBandit wrote: »

I laughed at the farmer love the direction the story took there it's a great crossover so far.

Yeah I think that was a fitting ending for that character.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

They're knocking it out of the park so far. The cameos and nods to previous characters, shows and movies are a joy to see.