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Woodsie1

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yes, yes and yes.

The likes of you happy to put biological women in danger for your twisted ideolgy..sick

peddlelies

For me isn't so much that males believe they are female and vice versa, I wish nothing but good luck to those who have genuine problems and I hope they get the treatment they need to live happier lives as long as it doesn't intrude on my own.

The problem is not everyone is a good person. I have no doubt in my mind that some portion of transgender people or those who claim to be transgender aren't being honest. They might be outcasts societal wise who see an opportunity to join a protected group, they may be mean spirited people bullies who do it to exert power over people(look at social media), they might be those who just want to revel in the weirdness of it not dissimilar to the goth movement. I think some are indoctrinated by all the pseudo victim-hood classes being taught in colleges. Some of those who believe they are the wrong gender might have personality or identity disorders.

It's not right when I could wake up tomorrow morning and for disingenuous reasons walk down to a doctors office claiming I'm a Woman, and walk out with a piece of paper legally saying I'm just that. In 30 minutes I just changed my gender and the poor doctor was probably shaking in fear of not upsetting me in the case I made a complaint and he was fired. It's all very Orwellian.

It might not be that simple here, but it is the case in Countries like Canada. It's hard enough to trust strangers in general but we're just supposed to blindly trust those who claim to be transgender when there is no Science behind it or medical test to back up their claims. A male has a brain structure different to that of Women, they have different Chromosomes, they have high levels of testosterone, they have different physical attributes and muscle density. Are we just supposed to ignore biology entirely, especially when it's starting to creep onto kids where the parents are "transitioning" them or using hormone blockers.

It's impossible to know what peoples intentions are and we're just meant to nod our heads and go along with it without questioning the obvious? I lost my cool with this a while back when I seen that trans cyclist trying to destroy one of the female runner ups lives because she questioned the fairness of the race.

Feisar

I say this half in jest, what would Putin do?

Yer man needs to be tied to a post and bet like a bad ass, not pandered to.

hatrickpatrick

This is the kind of sh!te that's being currently protected from being challenged in the public sphere, by shaming, "deplatforming", and harassing anyone who dares to speak up about it.

Annasopra

Deleted User wrote: »

Well then Joey, you and I won't see eye to eye on this matter.

I am of the opinion that you can't "think" yourself into being something you physically aren't. I'm actually very surprised that anyone would be ok with a man self identifying as a woman and be allowed access to, say, a womans refuge.

I respect your opinion and your honesty though.

I'm fine with that. I've never agreed with any of your views on trans issues anyway.

Gatling

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is the kind of sh!te that's being currently protected from being challenged in the public sphere, by shaming, "deplatforming", and harassing anyone who dares to speak up about it.

Says it all really.

Does that mean we will see a new definition of a lesbian then ,

RocketRaccoon

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is the kind of sh!te that's being currently protected from being challenged in the public sphere, by shaming, "deplatforming", and harassing anyone who dares to speak up about it.

It's a female penis......
A female penis folks.

peddlelies

Gatling wrote: »

Says it all really.

Does that mean we will see a new definition of a lesbian then ,

Way ahead of ya

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvwknv/what-does-it-mean-to-be-trans-species

"Riviera identifies as a dragon. He decided this 15 years ago after having what he describes as prophetic dreams of a past life. As an "otherkin," he is one of the hundreds of Australians who identify as another species—whether from Earth or myth...

This is true for 17-year-old Miranda, who is a member of Riviera's Facebook group and identifies as a dog. "I'm constantly thinking about [my identity]. Most animals share common features, making it harder for me to see who I really am," she says. "As I learn and experience more, I am hoping I will find clarity to my true self."

drunkmonkey

We need to have simple tests before we accept all these things, if he's a dragon throw him off a building and see if he flies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

Still waters

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I'm fine with that. I've never agreed with any of your views on trans issues anyway.

Again, do you feel comfortable with a supposedly trans man saying he is a woman for the reason of gaining access to female changing rooms in the hope of seeing bare chested 12 year old girls on their period, or do you think he should get psychiatric treatment for a very serious mental sexual perversion (his very disturbing interest in young menstruating girls), you should address all posts directed to you instead of the ones you feel comfortable replying to

Sir Oxman

It's a cult who have managed to place people in influential positions. Look at next door.
ie, Stonewall Uk basically given carte blance to dictate sexual education in schools in the UK, Mermaids giving UK police lessons on diversity.
These orgs amongst others have effectively infiltrated political parties and committees via academia, platforms that decide social policy direction - they are using LGB to promote the new T and the nonsense Q (which is an umbrella for queer theory which embraces sexual kinks (not sexual preferences) like gimps, furries, acting like babies etc. and within time probably the most disgusting group in the world which are already active on social media building a new identity and acronym)

These orgs are actively deriding lesbians especially, that will never want a sexual relationship with a man which is basically what selfIDing transwomen are and will remain (a large proportion are heterosexual) - they insist they cannot, they do not and will not be attracted to them.
I say will not because they are constantly under pressure from the actual LGB orgs that exist to support them to accept "ladydick" and I say cannot because they are same sex attracted inherently.
Yes, LGB orgs have basically dropped their raison d'etre - same sex attraction, for this shlt.

Lesbians being vilified and banned from pride marches/gatherings due to their basic requirement of not wanting a sexual relationship with a person with a penis.
Transsexuals are not very keen on this either and deserve the protection of the state and access to the proper spaces.
Intersex people too are not impressed (from what I have seen/read on social media)

The LGB card has been played and won and now it's time for a new, lucrative pitch from the organsiations who have nothing high profile left to campaign about that will keep their jobs.
I've used the word cult in describing these people and that is exactly what they are - there can be no debate or opposition to their ideology, womens concerns (and male allies of women) are doxxed, reported, hounded from their employment, banned from public events, attacked.
The mantra is "transwomen are women" and they have no shame in lying and denying the rest of the population the right to question the whole basis of it and how selfIDing negatively effects only women and how to correct that.

Not surprisingly, social media is their playground and if you wander in you will see a very large percentage of the profile pics are anime/gaming/gender stereotypes and are mostly men (with beards). It's totally insane.

Ironically, I hope that person Yaniv wins their cases - it will expose the absolute ***** that put those ridiculous laws in place in Canada and enabled a societal fck up of such proportion.

I am confident that the cult will be defeated in the end and I will enjoy the wake up call here and abroad and the time that rational debate will return.

And that's without getting into minors being aggressively transitioned with zero safeguarding...thankfully not here yet but available just 60 minutes away.

kikilarue2

peddlelies wrote: »

For me isn't so much that males believe they are female and vice versa, I wish nothing but good luck to those who have genuine problems and I hope they get the treatment they need to live happier lives as long as it doesn't intrude on my own.

The problem is not everyone is a good person. I have no doubt in my mind that some portion of transgender people or those who claim to be transgender aren't being honest. They might be outcasts societal wise who see an opportunity to join a protected group, they may be mean spirited people bullies who do it to exert power over people(look at social media), they might be those who just want to revel in the weirdness of it not dissimilar to the goth movement. I think some are indoctrinated by all the pseudo victim-hood classes being taught in colleges. Some of those who believe they are the wrong gender might have personality or identity disorders.

It's not right when I could wake up tomorrow morning and for disingenuous reasons walk down to a doctors office claiming I'm a Woman, and walk out with a piece of paper legally saying I'm just that. In 30 minutes I just changed my gender and the poor doctor was probably shaking in fear of not upsetting me in the case I made a complaint and he was fired. It's all very Orwellian.

It might not be that simple here, but it is the case in Countries like Canada. It's hard enough to trust strangers in general but we're just supposed to blindly trust those who claim to be transgender when there is no Science behind it or medical test to back up their claims. A male has a brain structure different to that of Women, they have different Chromosomes, they have high levels of testosterone, they have different physical attributes and muscle density. Are we just supposed to ignore biology entirely, especially when it's starting to creep onto kids where the parents are "transitioning" them or using hormone blockers.

It's impossible to know what peoples intentions are and we're just meant to nod our heads and go along with it without questioning the obvious? I lost my cool with this a while back when I seen that trans cyclist trying to destroy one of the female runner ups lives because she questioned the fairness of the race.

I’m not totally sure where I stand on a lot of trans issues, but I find the idea that we would deny genuinely trans people rights on the basis that non-trans people might abuse them very problematic.

It’s like when people said non-gay men would marry for property rights.

ceadaoin.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I'm fine with that. I've never agreed with any of your views on trans issues anyway.

Any answer to these questions?

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Should that extend to sexual organs? Is Jessica's penis entitled to be recognised as female when that is biologically impossible? and should these women be compelled to handle it, in your opinion?

According to Jessica, women don't have the right to say no. They said exactly that on the Niall boylan show. Do you agree with that?

ceadaoin. wrote: »

And how about you answer the questions about whether women should be compelled to handle Jessica's penis, and have no right to say no (in Jessica's words)? Do you agree with that also?

I suspect that as a reasonable person, you don't agree that women should be obliged to touch Jessica's penis and not have a right to say no, but you can't really say that without it contradicting the whole "anyone who says they're a woman should be treated exactly as a biological female" thing you've committed to. Best to just say nothing I guess

Franz Von Peppercorn II

kikilarue2 wrote: »

I’m not totally sure where I stand on a lot of trans issues, but I find the idea that we would deny genuinely trans people rights on the basis that non-trans people might abuse them very problematic.

It’s like when people said non-gay men would marry for property rights.

How would we access a genuine trans person. Self identification is the issue here, for me at least.

Joeytheparrot

Joeytheparrot wrote:

I'm fine with that. I've never agreed with any of your views on trans issues anyway.

I getcha. I do find it worrying that a mod in the LGBT forum would hold such extreme views.

Nermal

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

They are entitled to be recognised as the gender they prefer. By law.

The root of the problem, really. No amount of additional legislation can make sense of a law that says a man can force the rest of society to pretend he's a woman.

Dante7

Yaniv posted that they'll be on Newstalk at 8am in the morning. He'll get a much softer interview there.

pinkyeye

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yes, yes and yes.

I normally agree with you joey but you've gone too far here trying to defend the indefensible.

notobtuse

I’ve waited to comment in this thread until I learned more. Recent reports indicate this person embodies the worst perceptions of the trans community... so why aren’t they vilifying this individual as the monster he/she apparently is from the reporting?

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-15-year-old-alleged-victim-of-jessica-yaniv-speaks-out/

Danzy

Gatling wrote: »

Says it all really.

Does that mean we will see a new definition of a lesbian then ,

Do lesbians need to be on the pill to avoid unplanned pregnancy?

Obvs

Calhoun

Sir Oxman wrote: »

It's a cult who have managed to place people in influential positions. Look at next door.
ie, Stonewall Uk basically given carte blance to dictate sexual education in schools in the UK, Mermaids giving UK police lessons on diversity.
These orgs amongst others have effectively infiltrated political parties and committees via academia, platforms that decide social policy direction - they are using LGB to promote the new T and the nonsense Q (which is an umbrella for queer theory which embraces sexual kinks (not sexual preferences) like gimps, furries, acting like babies etc. and within time probably the most disgusting group in the world which are already active on social media building a new identity and acronym)

These orgs are actively deriding lesbians especially, that will never want a sexual relationship with a man which is basically what selfIDing transwomen are and will remain (a large proportion are heterosexual) - they insist they cannot, they do not and will not be attracted to them.
I say will not because they are constantly under pressure from the actual LGB orgs that exist to support them to accept "ladydick" and I say cannot because they are same sex attracted inherently.
Yes, LGB orgs have basically dropped their raison d'etre - same sex attraction, for this shlt.

Lesbians being vilified and banned from pride marches/gatherings due to their basic requirement of not wanting a sexual relationship with a person with a penis.
Transsexuals are not very keen on this either and deserve the protection of the state and access to the proper spaces.
Intersex people too are not impressed (from what I have seen/read on social media)

The LGB card has been played and won and now it's time for a new, lucrative pitch from the organsiations who have nothing high profile left to campaign about that will keep their jobs.
I've used the word cult in describing these people and that is exactly what they are - there can be no debate or opposition to their ideology, womens concerns (and male allies of women) are doxxed, reported, hounded from their employment, banned from public events, attacked.
The mantra is "transwomen are women" and they have no shame in lying and denying the rest of the population the right to question the whole basis of it and how selfIDing negatively effects only women and how to correct that.

Not surprisingly, social media is their playground and if you wander in you will see a very large percentage of the profile pics are anime/gaming/gender stereotypes and are mostly men (with beards). It's totally insane.

Ironically, I hope that person Yaniv wins their cases - it will expose the absolute ***** that put those ridiculous laws in place in Canada and enabled a societal fck up of such proportion.

I am confident that the cult will be defeated in the end and I will enjoy the wake up call here and abroad and the time that rational debate will return.

And that's without getting into minors being aggressively transitioned with zero safeguarding...thankfully not here yet but available just 60 minutes away.

The scary part for the LGBT community is those that have essentially taken over their message and are abusing privilege will be their undoing and the community itself will suffer.

So successful have they been in doing this that pedophiles are copying how the LGBT community did it and are trying to tack on.

Its all quite sad as some of the ones abusing it are actually abusing the community itself, i dont have the video but i remember watching a video of a lesbian that was deplatformed and excluded from the LGBT chapter in Washington because she spurned the sexual advances of one of the T leaders of the organization.

klaaaz

pinkyeye wrote: »

I normally agree with you joey but you've gone too far here trying to defend the indefensible.

I'm uncomfortable with the 3rd yes. There needs to be a distinction made between self ID and transsexuals as Sir Oxman eluded to, medical transitioned people have changed sex unlike the self ID people who have no intention to medically transition to change sex. The problem is the right wingers lump them all together in order to degrade them and exclude them from society jumping on a single case of a nutter as propaganda to further their prejudices against the entire transgender community.

ceadaoin.

klaaaz wrote: »

I'm uncomfortable with the 3rd yes. There needs to be a distinction made between self ID and transsexuals as Sir Oxman eluded to, medical transitioned people have changed sex unlike the self ID people who have no intention to medically transition to change sex. The problem is the right wingers lump them all together in order to degrade them and exclude them from society jumping on a single case of a nutter as propaganda to further their prejudices against the entire transgender community.

No, they are lumped together by organisations like Stonewall etc, not "right wingers". Cross dressers, transvestites, self id people etc are now under the transgender umbrella. Even using the term transsexual is out of favour now and might even get you added to the terf list, even if you identify as a transsexual person

And it's not a "single case", as you well know. We do actually agree on a lot of this though. It's self id with no exceptions being enshrined into law that is the problem

Calhoun

Deleted User wrote: »

I getcha. I do find it worrying that a mod in the LGBT forum would hold such extreme views.

I wouldn't be too worried outside of their own domain they are regular posters. Of course when an argument gets distilled down into one side v another of course objectivity is always going to be an issue.

Small edit: i do think the 3rd item you asked is problematic and is something that would need finesse to be discussed and not brute forced like in Canada.

Wibbs

klaaaz wrote: »

medical transitioned people have changed sex

No, they have not. I have little issue with that someone may feel they have and have zero issue with acknowledging them with respect as people in the gender they want to be acknowledged in, but it'll be a cold day in hell when Satan has to skate to work in the morning before I choose to wilfully ignore the actual biological and medical facts. No amount of currently fashionable orthodoxy among some pressuring more will sway me from the facts and there's only so much damned Rightthink and Rightspeak I can stomach before I say No more.

klaaaz

ceadaoin. wrote: »

And it's not a "single case", as you well know. We do actually agree on a lot of this though. It's self id with no exceptions being enshrined into law that is the problem

Some posters here detest transsexuals no matter what, that's right wing conservative hate.
What single cases you referring to, a single case in each country? Ex: the nutjob in Canada, the White case in the UK and the mysterious Sunday World case here?

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote:

I'm uncomfortable with the 3rd yes. There needs to be a distinction made between self ID and transsexuals as Sir Oxman eluded to, medical transitioned people have changed sex unlike the self ID people who have no intention to medically transition to change sex. The problem is the right wingers lump them all together in order to degrade them and exclude them from society jumping on a single case of a nutter as propaganda to further their prejudices against the entire transgender community.

As other posters have pointed out, it is not right wing people who lump them together.

The fact is you only have to look at the endless letters added almost weekly to the LGBT acronym to find examples of people lumping groups together.

We have been told we are transphobic, on this very thread, for not accepting self identification. We aren't prejudiced. We are realistic.

The fact that you are still trying to blame the right for this mess shows that you are either wilfully misrepresenting the facts or too blinded by your need to oppose what you perceive to be the enemy.

Gatling

Danzy wrote: »

Do lesbians need to be on the pill to avoid unplanned pregnancy?

Obvs

They will if they can't refuse a girl with a penis for fear of being charged with transphobia

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote:

medical transitioned people have changed sex

And as Wibbs discussed, in a much better way than I could, that's just wrong.

klaaaz

Wibbs wrote: »

No, they have not. I have little issue with that someone may feel they have and have zero issue with acknowledging them with respect as people in the gender they want to be acknowledged in, but it'll be a cold day in hell when Satan has to skate to work in the morning before I choose to wilfully ignore the actual biological and medical facts. No amount of currently fashionable orthodoxy among some pressuring more will sway me from the facts and there's only so much damned Rightthink and Rightspeak I can stomach before I say No more.

So says the poster quoting the dark religion of Satan as a science denier of medical facts. We went through this before and yet you still disagree with 2,617 top medical scientists on this issue that indeed a person can change sex and have done so since the 1950's https://not-binary.org/statement/