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ceadaoin.

kikilarue2 wrote: »

I’m not totally sure where I stand on a lot of trans issues, but I find the idea that we would deny genuinely trans people rights on the basis that non-trans people might abuse them very problematic.

It’s like when people said non-gay men would marry for property rights.

And what about the sex based rights of women which are completely negated by self id and are being denied on an increasing basis? To the point that it is now being debated whether they should be compelled to handle male genitalia, by law. And has resulted in women and children being abused, women losing scholarships because of males, and being pushed out of their own athletic competitions by males..Is that not "problematic" to you?

skybox2014

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

In the original bill presented to the Dail there were exemptions for sports, a medical diagnosis was needed and the transgender person had to have lived as his or her preferred gender for two years. Over several readings these were opposed by all parties and taken out.

I didn't realise that. I will have to go back and find the dail debates and read through the whole thing. I had never heard of this bill and the act was passed long before I, and I suspect many other people, knew about it. And I read the news/stay informed. Or at least I thought I did.

I am so frustrated that Irish feminists didn't fight to protect women's and girl's spaces, sport and privacy. Where were NWCI, all the Repeal people? Why did rights for Trans people come at the expense of women and girls?

Given the way Irish law confuses sex and gender, and given the barbershop case (Transman complained they were discriminated against beacuse they were refused service in a barber shop, and they won) I assume that a Yaniv case is completely possible in Ireland, and that Irish women don't actually have any sex-based rights like women have in the UK?

Many of the 'old fashioned' transexuals on Twitter can see the damage self ID has done for Trans people - Rose of Dawn, Fionne Orlander, Debbie Hayton and many more feel more empathy and understanding. I don't get that from the mainstream T organisations. Benjamin Boyce on YOu Tube and Twitter has also had an interesting series of podcasts exploring a lot of the issues, including the medicalising of young children and teens. I wonder will HSE revice their policy of referring to the Tavistock after the BBC Newsnight exposé of their lack of evidence and potentially unsafe practices. Hasn't anyone done anykind of review of the evidence?
Best I could find was the Heneghan & Jefferson 2019 blog post
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2019/02/25/gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-evidence-review/

MrFresh

Wibbs wrote: »

No, they have not. I have little issue with that someone may feel they have and have zero issue with acknowledging them with respect as people in the gender they want to be acknowledged in, but it'll be a cold day in hell when Satan has to skate to work in the morning before I choose to wilfully ignore the actual biological and medical facts. No amount of currently fashionable orthodoxy among some pressuring more will sway me from the facts and there's only so much damned Rightthink and Rightspeak I can stomach before I say No more.

It sounds like you've been seriously affected by this issue.

Wibbs

I'm only "seriously affected" :rolleyes: when a provable nonsense is being promoted as fact and society is being badgered into swallowing it.

suicide_circus

Its the externalisation on to the rest of society of what is a difficult and traumatic personal condition for a tiny minority of the population.

I'm sorry you feel this way, i really am, it must be a struggle and i will accommodate you up to a point but i'm afraid you cant make me believe what you feel any more than a person of faith can make me accept their doctrine. I will resist this and i will defend objective reality.

MrFresh

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm only "seriously affected" :rolleyes: when a provable nonsense is being promoted as fact and society is being badgered into swallowing it.

It must be so hard for you seeing all these people living their lives the way they want to with no effect on you at all. You poor mite.

kikilarue2

On a sidenote, do you think we discuss trans issues a disproportionate amount to the size of the problem? There's threads on here all the time with thousands of replies, whereas these issues only come up very occasionally in Ireland.

When was the last time you heard of a trans person who Self-IDs requesting to be treated as a biological female here?

Wibbs

MrFresh wrote: »

It must be so hard for you seeing all these people living their lives the way they want to with no effect on you at all. You poor mite.

and this is the entirety of what you think passes for debate? Coolaboola.

suicide_circus

kikilarue2 wrote: »

On a sidenote, do you think we discuss trans issues a disproportionate amount to the size of the problem? There's threads on here all the time with thousands of replies, whereas these issues only come up very occasionally in Ireland.

When was the last time you heard of a trans person who Self-IDs requesting to be treated as a biological female here?

The airtime this subject gets is largely due to the absurdity of the claims and demands made by a small number of activists/missionaries

drunkmonkey

MrFresh wrote: »

It must be so hard for you seeing all these people living their lives the way they want to with no effect on you at all. You poor mite.

Hold up I've a daughter not sure about Wibbs but if any of these guys come anywhere near her safe spaces I'll shove that rainbow flag so far up their hole they'll be identifing as a chicken skewer.

Eric Cartman

kikilarue2 wrote: »

On a sidenote, do you think we discuss trans issues a disproportionate amount to the size of the problem? There's threads on here all the time with thousands of replies, whereas these issues only come up very occasionally in Ireland.

When was the last time you heard of a trans person who Self-IDs requesting to be treated as a biological female here?

The one that has 10 sexual assault convictions and went to the dochas centre, its already out of hand.

skybox2014

kikilarue2 wrote: »

On a sidenote, do you think we discuss trans issues a disproportionate amount to the size of the problem? There's threads on here all the time with thousands of replies, whereas these issues only come up very occasionally in Ireland.

When was the last time you heard of a trans person who Self-IDs requesting to be treated as a biological female here?

Last week's Sunday World reported that a male-bodied convicted (10 counts of sexual assault on a male child) sex offender was ordered by a judge in the Dundalk circuit court to be housed in the women's Dochas Centre prison. This person is the second male to be housed there. Dochas has a capacity of 105, but apparantly houses close to 140 female prisoners. After the Karen White/Stephen Woods debalce in the UK last year, it should have been obvious that males in a women's prison is a dangerous policy. I wonder how many males it will take to destabilise the women's prison completely?

For the most part Ireland is too small to see the kinds of cases we see from Canada and UK though, and because self ID is already in place, it is likely the majority of 'genuine' transexuals have gotten their Gender cert and are quietly getting on with their lives. But the Trans umberella widens constantly and there is no gatekeeping on the gender certs, so anyone can apply for one, no need to be a genuine Trans person at all.

And in the mean time lobby groups are agitating for schools to put in mixed sex toilets (in primary and secondary) especially in the new ETs being built, with no risk assesment of what that could mean for girls.
It is only a matter of time before we see males going into amateur and then professional female sports. Applying for a gender cert is free and straightforward, there is no gatekeeping so I don't see why opportunists won't try and game the system and exploit it.
All of this happening in Canada, US and UK, no reason it won't happen here too.

Wibbs

skybox2014 wrote: »

And in the mean time lobby groups are agitating for schools to put in mixed sex toilets (in primary and secondary) especially in the new ETs being built, with no risk assesment of what that could mean for girls.

and in before the "well we have mixed sex toilets at home" stuff, yeah at home being the salient bit.

klaaaz

skybox2014 wrote: »

Last week's Sunday World reported that a male-bodied convicted (10 counts of sexual assault on a male child) sex offender was ordered by a judge in the Dundalk circuit court to be housed in the women's Dochas Centre prison. This person is the second male to be housed there. Dochas has a capacity of 105, but apparantly houses close to 140 female prisoners. After the Karen White/Stephen Woods debalce in the UK last year, it should have been obvious that males in a women's prison is a dangerous policy. I wonder how many males it will take to destabilise the women's prison completely?

You're saying that there are 2 offenders now, where you getting your info from? Official court cases or down the pub?

All of this happening in Canada, US and UK, no reason it won't happen here too.

Self-ID is not law in the UK yet.

Sittingpretty

skybox2014 wrote: »

Last week's Sunday World reported that a male-bodied convicted (10 counts of sexual assault on a male child) sex offender was ordered by a judge in the Dundalk circuit court to be housed in the women's Dochas Centre prison. This person is the second male to be housed there. Dochas has a capacity of 105, but apparantly houses close to 140 female prisoners. After the Karen White/Stephen Woods debalce in the UK last year, it should have been obvious that males in a women's prison is a dangerous policy. I wonder how many males it will take to destabilise the women's prison completely?

For the most part Ireland is too small to see the kinds of cases we see from Canada and UK though, and because self ID is already in place, it is likely the majority of 'genuine' transexuals have gotten their Gender cert and are quietly getting on with their lives. But the Trans umberella widens constantly and there is no gatekeeping on the gender certs, so anyone can apply for one, no need to be a genuine Trans person at all.

And in the mean time lobby groups are agitating for schools to put in mixed sex toilets (in primary and secondary) especially in the new ETs being built, with no risk assesment of what that could mean for girls.
It is only a matter of time before we see males going into amateur and then professional female sports. Applying for a gender cert is free and straightforward, there is no gatekeeping so I don't see why opportunists won't try and game the system and exploit it.
All of this happening in Canada, US and UK, no reason it won't happen here too.

It’s so horrible to see that some men are still ready, willing and able to ride roughshod over the rights of biological women to accommodate the needs of other men who want to be women.

Women always have to accommodate the whims and wants and wishes and feelings of some men. It is how it always has been and always will be.

I was thinking about this whole JY issue yesterday as I showered in the ladies room after my swim with my children. My youngest daughter was in the shower with me and I thought to myself is it going to happen that sometime in the near future the likes of JY could be showering beside us after “her” swim/workout?

That makes me very uncomfortable.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Wibbs wrote: »

and in before the "well we have mixed sex toilets at home" stuff, yeah at home being the salient bit.

Single use of course.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Sittingpretty wrote: »

It’s so horrible to see that some men are still ready, willing and able to ride roughshod over the rights of biological women to accommodate the needs of other men who want to be women.

Women always have to accommodate the whims and wants and wishes and feelings of some men. It is how it always has been and always will be.

I was thinking about this whole JY issue yesterday as I showered in the ladies room after my swim with my children. My youngest daughter was in the shower with me and I thought to myself is it going to happen that sometime in the near future the likes of JY could be showering beside us after “her” swim/workout?

That makes me very uncomfortable.

It’s mostly women pushing this as far as I can see. Men are fairly cynical. Except the woke bearded guys who always gave you the creeps.

Case in the US (which doesn’t have self id but some organisations do). Planet fitness suspends a woman who complained about a trans woman in the changing rooms.

https://www.them.us/story/planet-fitness-trans-locker-room-lawsuit

The Specialist

Sittingpretty wrote: »

It’s so horrible to see that some men are still ready, willing and able to ride roughshod over the rights of biological women to accommodate the needs of other men who want to be women.

Women always have to accommodate the whims and wants and wishes and feelings of some men. It is how it always has been and always will be.

I was thinking about this whole JY issue yesterday as I showered in the ladies room after my swim with my children. My youngest daughter was in the shower with me and I thought to myself is it going to happen that sometime in the near future the likes of JY could be showering beside us after “her” swim/workout?

That makes me very uncomfortable.

A very small minority of men support these types - the majority of us are completely opposed to any use of female spaces by them. I don't want my daughter sharing any space with perverts like JY and would fight tooth and nail against even the whisper of such an allowance.

skybox2014

klaaaz wrote: »

You're saying that there are 2 offenders now, where you getting your info from? Official court cases or down the pub?


Self-ID is not law in the UK yet.

No need to be rude. The information is in some mainstream media and the Dundalk case can be found on the courts.ie if you dig deep.
THe second case is less clear - it appears an Indonesian person was arrested in a brothel and wanted to be housed in the women's prison, but was apparantly sent to Cloverhill instead. Irish Prison Service had been housing prisoners according to their birth sex, but this order from a judge in Dundalk seems to be a game changer.

No self-ID is not law yet in the UK, but many services (social and recreational) are operating as if it were - look at Hampstead Heath's issue with the women only swimming area, and some women's domestic violence refuges and homeless shelters are now accepting men who identify as women, no Gender cert required. Look at case of Melissa Addis (formerly Mark Addis) but here are others.

Annasopra

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Hold up I've a daughter not sure about Wibbs but if any of these guys come anywhere near her safe spaces I'll shove that rainbow flag so far up their hole they'll be identifing as a chicken skewer.

So basically your argument is that all trans women are sexual assaulters.

skybox2014

skybox2014 wrote: »

No need to be rude. The information is in some mainstream media and the Dundalk case can be found on the courts.ie if you dig deep.
THe second case is less clear - it appears an Indonesian person was arrested in a brothel and wanted to be housed in the women's prison, but was apparantly sent to Cloverhill instead. Irish Prison Service had been housing prisoners according to their birth sex, but this order from a judge in Dundalk seems to be a game changer.

No self-ID is not law yet in the UK, but many services (social and recreational) are operating as if it were - look at Hampstead Heath's issue with the women only swimming area, and some women's domestic violence refuges and homeless shelters are now accepting men who identify as women, no Gender cert required. Look at case of Melissa Addis (formerly Mark Addis) but here are others.

speaking of refuges, albeit a different area, i found out about this today also:
https://makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/the-harassment-of-vancouver-rape-relief-women-s-shelter-and-its-supporters

Joeytheparrot

Joeytheparrot wrote:

So basically your argument is that all trans women are sexual assaulters.

No, her argument is that people who have penises should not be in a place where women and young girls are in various states of undress.

You are going full Cathy Newman with your accusations there.

skybox2014

Wibbs wrote: »

and in before the "well we have mixed sex toilets at home" stuff, yeah at home being the salient bit.

I know who lives in my home and they are all related to me!
Obviously that is not the case with any kind of public toilet, whether in a school or public buidling.

Single sex toilets were one of the biggest factors in liberating women from the confines of the home, the fact that women and girls would actually have a safe space to relieve themselves meant they could go out in public and see the world.

Mixes sex wards are a peoblem too, and we seem to have them in Ireland - case underway at the moment where an elderly man claimed to have been holding a 17 year olds girl's hand in the middle of the night, while she claimed he wa touching her
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-teenage-girl-on-hospital-ward-told-gardai-he-only-shook-her-hand-court-hears-38292079.html

It would be nice to hear solutions that accomodated trans people and non-binary people in a third space without sacrificing safe spaces for women and girls.

This school was trying to be accomodating, but nothing but full access to women's spaces is enough it seems
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/he-would-be-completely-dehydrated-mum-tells-of-how-transgender-son-avoided-food-and-water-to-avoid-using-school-bathroom-38321202.html

Glass fused light

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

In the original bill presented to the Dail there were exemptions for sports, a medical diagnosis was needed and the transgender person had to have lived as his or her preferred gender for two years. Over several readings these were opposed by all parties and taken out.

I have a fun feeling that the politicians are going to be asked to pick a side on this.
And both sides will be sending in the health & safety teams to guard the fence, along with medical teams for cranial extraction from safespaces (including rectal spaces ).

klaaaz

skybox2014 wrote: »

The information is in some mainstream media and the Dundalk case can be found on the courts.ie if you dig deep.
THe second case is less clear - it appears an Indonesian person was arrested in a brothel and wanted to be housed in the women's prison, but was apparantly sent to Cloverhill instead. Irish Prison Service had been housing prisoners according to their birth sex, but this order from a judge in Dundalk seems to be a game changer.

The person in the brothel is not a sex offender, sex workers are not the same as someone who sexually assaults other people.

About Dundalk, mainstream media is just the red top tabloid Sunday World so far with scant info unless someone bought the hard copy of the newspaper and tells us all about the article?.

We all don't have many hours of time digging amongst thousands of cases on the courts website, do you have a publicly accessible link ?

Quite amazing that the Sunday World is part of the same media group as the Indo and the Herald and yet not a peep out of them yet on this story.

MrFresh

Wibbs wrote: »

and this is the entirety of what you think passes for debate? Coolaboola.

Been plenty of debate Wibbs. You late to the party?

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Hold up I've a daughter not sure about Wibbs but if any of these guys come anywhere near her safe spaces I'll shove that rainbow flag so far up their hole they'll be identifing as a chicken skewer.

I don't think threatening violence against trans people is really a proportionate response to your insecurities.

Glass fused light

The Specialist wrote: »

The law cannot police peoples speech or thoughts. They are entitled to recognise themselves as whatever they want, nobody else can or should be forced to do the same.

The joy of utube is that someone says cannot and someone else can actually find video uploads of it happening as its happening.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/watch-teacher-kicks-student-out-of-class-for-saying-therere-only-two-genders

The student is sanctioned on 3 levels for posting the video and wrong-think.

Level 1 
One weeks exclusion decided by the internal management of the school 
punishment for posting the video of a teacher. 
For breaching school social media policy
As an invasion of the teachers right to privacy and not blurring his face.
For  posting an disciplinary meeting without the consent of both parties.

As the video had gone viral the student had to agree to make no public comment as part of the raparation. With assurances that once the suspension was finished the student could return to education.

Level 2 
Additional exclusion three weeks in total decided by the internal management of the school in consultation with equivalent of Dep of Education
The video is still viral and had been picked up by main stream media. As agreed student has not commented further on social media. Is again assured that student could return to education.

Level 3
Expulsion from the educational facility decided by the internal management of the school supported by equivalent of Dep of Education
The video is still viral and had been picked up by main stream media

The student now has a option to find another educational institution.
This educational institution must be willing to accept the student. 
As a participant in the inclusive educational process.
But must accommodate the student's inability to correctly process the inclusive education oppertunity.

Alternatively the student seek a legal review of the expulsion.



So yes it's not just fcuking bathrooms!



Apologies for the outburst.
Normal appropriate PC inclusivity will resume shortly

Hector Savage

Sir Oxman wrote: »

It's a cult who have managed to place people in influential positions. Look at next door.
ie, Stonewall Uk basically given carte blance to dictate sexual education in schools in the UK, Mermaids giving UK police lessons on diversity.
These orgs amongst others have effectively infiltrated political parties and committees via academia, platforms that decide social policy direction - they are using LGB to promote the new T and the nonsense Q (which is an umbrella for queer theory which embraces sexual kinks (not sexual preferences) like gimps, furries, acting like babies etc. and within time probably the most disgusting group in the world which are already active on social media building a new identity and acronym)

These orgs are actively deriding lesbians especially, that will never want a sexual relationship with a man which is basically what selfIDing transwomen are and will remain (a large proportion are heterosexual) - they insist they cannot, they do not and will not be attracted to them.
I say will not because they are constantly under pressure from the actual LGB orgs that exist to support them to accept "ladydick" and I say cannot because they are same sex attracted inherently.
Yes, LGB orgs have basically dropped their raison d'etre - same sex attraction, for this shlt.

Lesbians being vilified and banned from pride marches/gatherings due to their basic requirement of not wanting a sexual relationship with a person with a penis.
Transsexuals are not very keen on this either and deserve the protection of the state and access to the proper spaces.
Intersex people too are not impressed (from what I have seen/read on social media)

The LGB card has been played and won and now it's time for a new, lucrative pitch from the organsiations who have nothing high profile left to campaign about that will keep their jobs.
I've used the word cult in describing these people and that is exactly what they are - there can be no debate or opposition to their ideology, womens concerns (and male allies of women) are doxxed, reported, hounded from their employment, banned from public events, attacked.
The mantra is "transwomen are women" and they have no shame in lying and denying the rest of the population the right to question the whole basis of it and how selfIDing negatively effects only women and how to correct that.

Not surprisingly, social media is their playground and if you wander in you will see a very large percentage of the profile pics are anime/gaming/gender stereotypes and are mostly men (with beards). It's totally insane.

Ironically, I hope that person Yaniv wins their cases - it will expose the absolute ***** that put those ridiculous laws in place in Canada and enabled a societal fck up of such proportion.

I am confident that the cult will be defeated in the end and I will enjoy the wake up call here and abroad and the time that rational debate will return.

And that's without getting into minors being aggressively transitioned with zero safeguarding...thankfully not here yet but available just 60 minutes away.

Good post, and spot on about it being defeated in the end, as mentioned before just wait 10/15 years till the legal cases start with young adults whose lives have been ruined because their nutty parents started them on transitioning drugs when they were 3.

And the doctors encouraging this stuff should be strung up.

gmisk

Glass fused light wrote: »

The joy of utube is that someone says cannot and someone else can actually find video uploads of it happening as its happening.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/watch-teacher-kicks-student-out-of-class-for-saying-therere-only-two-genders

The student is sanctioned on 3 levels for posting the video and wrong-think.

Level 1
One weeks exclusion decided by the internal management of the school
punishment for posting the video of a teacher.
For breaching school social media policy
As an invasion of the teachers right to privacy and not blurring his face.
For posting an disciplinary meeting without the consent of both parties.

As the video had gone viral the student had to agree to make no public comment as part of the raparation. With assurances that once the suspension was finished the student could return to education.

Level 2
Additional exclusion three weeks in total decided by the internal management of the school in consultation with equivalent of Dep of Education
The video is still viral and had been picked up by main stream media. As agreed student has not commented further on social media. Is again assured that student could return to education.

Level 3
Expulsion from the educational facility decided by the internal management of the school supported by equivalent of Dep of Education
The video is still viral and had been picked up by main stream media

The student now has a option to find another educational institution.
This educational institution must be willing to accept the student.
As a participant in the inclusive educational process.
But must accommodate the student's inability to correctly process the inclusive education oppertunity.

Alternatively the student seek a legal review of the expulsion.



So yes it's not just fcuking bathrooms!



Apologies for the outburst.
Normal appropriate PC inclusivity will resume shortly

LifeSite.....that well known non biased "news" site lol


The student is clearly not entitled to video the interaction without the persons consent and dump it on the internet.
What about the 3 levels? Is that what happened? Nothing about it that I can see in that story.

klaaaz

skybox2014 wrote: »

Mixes sex wards are a peoblem too, and we seem to have them in Ireland - case underway at the moment where an elderly man claimed to have been holding a 17 year olds girl's hand in the middle of the night, while she claimed he wa touching her
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-teenage-girl-on-hospital-ward-told-gardai-he-only-shook-her-hand-court-hears-38292079.html

It would be nice to hear solutions that accomodated trans people and non-binary people in a third space without sacrificing safe spaces for women and girls.

That elderly man is not trans in that story. Some hospitals still have single sex wards. The NHS actually still have that rule in Britain, trans people have been treated in the single sex wards and the world hasn't fallen in.

skybox2014 wrote: »

This school was trying to be accomodating, but nothing but full access to women's spaces is enough it seems
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/he-would-be-completely-dehydrated-mum-tells-of-how-transgender-son-avoided-food-and-water-to-avoid-using-school-bathroom-38321202.html

You have your point backwards, that's a trans man in the story.