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Omackeral

Omackeral wrote: »

I'll just identify as 2 years older so...

Ah, just wait a while until it becomes illegal to ask someone their gender.

Don’t scoff. We’re not too far off on the crazy-scale.

drunkmonkey

klaaaz wrote: »

They are not catered for in Irish law and neither are non-binary people though the latter might get legal recognition soon.

What legal recognition are they after....this whole misgendering thing will tip people over the edge if the non binarys get anything besides a slap of a wet fish
You want a Trump moment that's how you get a Trump moment.

klaaaz

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What legal recognition are they after....this whole misgendering thing will tip people over the edge if the non binarys get anything besides a slap of a wet fish
You want a Trump moment that's how you get a Trump moment.

The non-binary want legal recognition The review of the Irish GRA might end up giving them that legal recognition, an individual non-binary person will be recognised as they/them instead of him/her in law and on official documents removing the obligatory gender marker.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

They are not catered for in Irish law and neither are non-binary people though the latter might get legal recognition soon.

Non-binary. Do you mean intersex? I can understand that as an average Joe I think. I mean, I can get my head around it as it’s down to a biological or genetic mutation or malformation in development.

But most of the gender fluid stuff we read about online is pure nonsense at its core. It seems to me that more people than ever are trying to use their sexuality to skew scientifically valid determination of ones gender and to try to force that crap onto the rest of us to accept.

It’s ridiculous, to put it plainly. Pure fantasy and nonsense.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

klaaaz wrote: »

The non-binary want legal recognition The review of the Irish GRA might end up giving them that legal recognition, an individual non-binary person will be recognised as they/them instead of him/her in law and on official documents removing the obligatory gender marker.

What will this mean in practice? In sports for instance.

jaxxx

klaaaz wrote: »

Another fan of the American religious conservatives, similar to that other poster posting rubbish from lifesitenews.com which is like our homegrown Alive! magazine.

I don't agree with a lot of what he says on many issues, but on this he's dead on. As I said earlier, what you are is defined at birth. You cannot change that. So focus on the one thing you can change, which is WHO you are.

The Specialist

klaaaz wrote: »

The non-binary want legal recognition The review of the Irish GRA might end up giving them that legal recognition, an individual non-binary person will be recognised as they/them instead of him/her in law and on official documents removing the obligatory gender marker.

They/them? Just when you think it can’t get anymore ridiculous...him/her, end of story.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

The non-binary want legal recognition The review of the Irish GRA might end up giving them that legal recognition, an individual non-binary person will be recognised as they/them instead of him/her in law and on official documents removing the obligatory gender marker.

An honest question here. Are all non-binary people as they define themselves medically diagnosed as being intersex?

Or is there an element of this that’s purely psychological?

Dante7

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

What will this mean in practice? In sports for instance.

It's a charter for perverts and paedophiles. In the bad old days you had to really work to gain access to vulnerable women and children. Now, if you are a predatory male, all you have to do is put on a bit of lippy and a dress, and you are in.

klaaaz

JayZeus wrote: »

Non-binary. Do you mean intersex? I can understand that as an average Joe I think. I mean, I can get my head around it as it’s down to a biological or genetic mutation or malformation in development.

But most of the gender fluid stuff we read about online is pure nonsense at its core. It seems to me that more people than ever are trying to use their sexuality to skew scientifically valid determination of ones gender and to try to force that crap onto the rest of us to accept.

It’s ridiculous, to put it plainly. Pure fantasy and nonsense.

No, nothing to do with intersex. Non-binary people believe that they have no gender, gender fluid people believe that dependent on how they feel on a given day they would be one gender one day and a different gender on the following day(switching back and forth).

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

What will this mean in practice? In sports for instance.

No idea as sports are still catagorised separately as male and female yet non-binary people don't fit into those categories, they'd object to competing in them based on their status.

klaaaz

jaxxx wrote: »

I don't agree with a lot of what he says on many issues, but on this he's dead on. As I said earlier, what you are is defined at birth. You cannot change that. So focus on the one thing you can change, which is WHO you are.

Lets just leave people with inherited diseases defined at birth to die after having miserable lives as it's nature intended, go away with those cures to improve people's health. At least we know your stance on the human race, only the fittest to survive and condemn the rest to their natural intended death.

jaxxx

klaaaz wrote: »

Lets just leave people with inherited diseases defined at birth to die after having miserable lives as it's nature intended, go away with those cures to improve people's health. At least we know your stance on the human race, only the fittest to survive and condemn the rest to their natural intended death.

You're twisting my words. Where did I say people with inherited diseases should just me left alone? I wasn't aware people with Down Syndrome could be 'cured' as you say. I would say that that's quite offensive towards Down Syndrome sufferers. I know quite a few with Down Syndrome, and they're wonderful people who do not need to be 'cured' as you put it!

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

No, nothing to do with intersex. Non-binary people believe that they have no gender, gender fluid people believe that dependent on how they feel on a given day they would be one gender one day and a different gender on the following day(switching back and forth).

Alright then. So that would leave me fully convinced that it’s entirely made up or they’re in need of some sort of medication or treatment for a mental illness.

Because that stuff is just nuts.

klaaaz

JayZeus wrote: »

An honest question here. Are all non-binary people as they define themselves medically diagnosed as being intersex?

Or is there an element of this that’s purely psychological?

Non-binary people don't need a medical diagnosis, they don't want to change their bodies to be of the opposite sex. Intersex people are born with features of both sexes, a totally different unrelated situation.

skybox2014

JayZeus wrote: »

An honest question here. Are all non-binary people as they define themselves medically diagnosed as being intersex?

Or is there an element of this that’s purely psychological?

Being intersex or having a disorder of sexual development (DSD) has nothing to do with being 'non-binary' and the vast majority of people who define themselves as non-binary do so because they want to. As far as I know there is no diagnosis for being non-binary, unlike something like gender dysphoria.
For example the UK's Jamie Windust
https://twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1150329084695797760

Claire on the MRKH site has some interesting insights into the various intersex conditions and is worth a read https://mrkhvoice.com/
Intersex people have biological disorders, not mental health conditions.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is the kind of sh!te that's being currently protected from being challenged in the public sphere, by shaming, "deplatforming", and harassing anyone who dares to speak up about it.

Maybe I should start speaking out against it. I have terminal cancer and therefore nothing to lose. Really, nothing. What can they do, turn my oncologist against me? :pac:

klaaaz

jaxxx wrote: »

You're twisting my words. Where did I say people with inherited diseases should just me left alone? I wasn't aware people with Down Syndrome could be 'cured' as you say. I would say that that's quite offensive towards Down Syndrome sufferers. I know quite a few with Down Syndrome, and they're wonderful people who do not need to be 'cured' as you put it!

Your statements are quite offensive to people who don't meet your criteria of the perfect human. We should always help people better their lives including curing inherited diseases which make their lives miserable, they didn't ask to be born that way.

jaxxx wrote:

What you are is defined as how you are born, WHO you are is your choice to decide.

We do not have the natural ability to change what we are

There is only one true law, and that is the natural law.

jaxxx

klaaaz wrote: »

Your statements are quite offensive to people who don't meet your criteria of the perfect human. We should always help people better their lives including curing inherited diseases which make their lives miserable, they didn't ask to be born that way.

Perfect human? WTF does 'perfect human' even mean. We're all different! Whatever we are born as is what we are! I'm not talking about diseases, I'm talking about basic biology! Whether you're male, female or intersex as someone above mentioned. That is what you are, and you cannot change that! Down syndrome isn't something that should define you! Going back to my original post, I shouldn't have said Down Syndrome in that list. I'm not even sure why I did, a complete slip of the mind (edited it out, was not what I intended to say at all). Forgive me, I am only human after all, and there's not one human that ever lived that was ever perfect.

And I stand by what I said regarding not being able to change what we are. We cannot change biology naturally, only by our own engineering which is not natural. And that's got nothing to do with curing diseases, it's about how nature intended us. It's the cards we are dealt when we are born, and those are the cards we have for as long as we live.

Will I Am Not

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Should that extend to sexual organs? Is Jessica's penis entitled to be recognised as female when that is biologically impossible? and should these women be compelled to handle it, in your opinion

It’s a simple yes or no.

Sir Oxman

skybox2014 wrote: »

Being intersex or having a disorder of sexual development (DSD) has nothing to do with being 'non-binary' and the vast majority of people who define themselves as non-binary do so because they want to. As far as I know there is no diagnosis for being non-binary, unlike something like gender dysphoria.
For example the UK's Jamie Windust
https://twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1150329084695797760

Claire on the MRKH site has some interesting insights into the various intersex conditions and is worth a read https://mrkhvoice.com/
Intersex people have biological disorders, not mental health conditions.

And of course Claire was banned on twitter due to a transactivist pile on/reporting.
She dealt only in facts and rightly wants intersex people not to be used by the loonies.

Dante7

Sir Oxman wrote: »

And of course Claire was banned on twitter due to a transactivist pile on/reporting.
She dealt only in facts and rightly wants intersex people not to be used by the loonies.

Claire was absolutely sound and very respectful on Twitter. She was always patient and took a lot of time to try and educate people about the reality of Intersex, DSD conditions. What happened? The men in dresses didn't like what she was saying so got her banned.

Sir Oxman

Dante7 wrote: »

Claire was absolutely sound and very respectful on Twitter. She was always patient and took a lot of time to try and educate people about the reality of Intersex, DSD conditions. What happened? The men in dresses didn't like what she was saying so got her banned.

Yep, she is extremely informative and decent.

The same Twitter that banned countless users who even uttered Yaniv's name yet allow paedos fantasise and organise about being accepted and extreme porn.

Dante7

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Yep, she is extremely informative and decent.

The same Twitter that banned countless users who even uttered Yaniv's name yet allow paedos fantasise and organise about being accepted and extreme porn.

Sam Barber has a list of the 500+ people who have been banned from Twitter for misgendering offences. All women who have tried to highlight these issues.

Take a look at Sam Barber (@SamBarber1910): https://twitter.com/SamBarber1910?s=09

Glass fused light

Omackeral wrote: »

Ok so can I switch over to the Female option for car insurance purposes ....? But then switch back..?

I'm asking that to the people who take this self-ID stuff as gospel.

In Ireland you are currently either legally a man or woman
the GRC moves your legal status

Insurance is covered under Equity law and an EU directive 

http://revisedacts.lawreform.ie/eli/2000/act/8/section/5/revised/en/html


You could file for recognition

http://revisedacts.lawreform.ie/eli/2015/act/25/section/8/revised/en/html

If approved then file for derecognition 


http://revisedacts.lawreform.ie/eli/2015/act/25/section/8/revised/en/html

If approved you would return to your original sex/gender
However it's much more likely that you would be the first(?) person convicted of the safe guard section

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/25/section/36/enacted/en/html


NSFW:
Transphobia alert

To find legislation google name
Click on "http://www.irishstatutebook.ie" link.
Then click on section 
Then click the revised act 
This will show changes to older acts as a result of new law being passed in the Dail

Glass fused light

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Under Irish law you have to wait 2 years.

Would you mind linking that section of the legistation?

Thanks

Glass fused light

Calhoun wrote: »

I think this topic will always go in circles while the topic of child welfare is linked to it.

I have no problem is recognising a childs belief that they should not have been born into their body

I have serious problems with the medical and surgical intervention being pushed by people with agendas

Eg
http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/health-and-social-care-and-lgbt-communities/written/91159.html

Note 2.3 and 2.4

Glass fused light

gmisk wrote: »

LifeSite.....that well known non biased "news" site lol


The student is clearly not entitled to video the interaction without the persons consent and dump it on the internet.
What about the 3 levels? Is that what happened? Nothing about it that I can see in that story.

The child did an interview.

https://www.newsweek.com/mearns-academy-aberdeen-gender-politics-1447334

https://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/contact-us/contact-by-phone/

Try calling the council directly, and report back

Glass fused light

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Maybe I should start speaking out against it. I have terminal cancer and therefore nothing to lose. Really, nothing. What can they do, turn my oncologist against me? :pac:

Try to get your oncologist sacked?
As with any large group of people some activists are like any nut-job activists and will target service providers.
They already campaign against Uni's and libraries and UK parliment meeting rooms who allow gender critics to attend to discuss the matter.

Peatys

Feisar wrote: »

That's like deciding water isn't wet.

Well........

Glass fused light

klaaaz wrote: »

Another fan of the American religious conservatives, similar to that other poster posting rubbish from lifesitenews.com which is like our homegrown Alive! magazine.

Are we fighting again?

Let me make it up to you and look that up for you
It's the least I could do after upsetting you, and hurting your feelings