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Still waters

The Specialist wrote: »

As for being in the presence of a minor, I would say a fella with his cock and balls hanging out in front of a child is a serious offence and one which could rightly get that person hurt, regardless of what they identify as.

Obviously not if they identify as female, then its fine as the penis is regarded as being a vagina when on a trans person, they can have lesbian sex I'm also led to believe, lucky lesbians i suppose

The Specialist

MrFresh wrote: »

Why would they have their cock and balls hanging out? Again, most trans people just want to go along with their lives. They don't want to draw attention to themselves. Especially when you have people like drunkmonkey looking to viciously attack them if they do.

Are you following the discussion? We are talking about trans in changing rooms with young children, particularly young girls. And you are being very disingenuous in your comments about drunkmonkey but it’s to be expected from the likes of you - pick a point and then twist it until you can beat that person with it repeatedly. It won’t work here since most of us know exactly what point that poster was making but it’s lost on you.

MrFresh

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you an expert on transgenderism? If not, how come you can comment on that but can't answer my question?

I am not an expert on transgenderism, neither is anyone here. That's why I'm happy to go with what the experts do say.

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope. Read what I said again. I couldn't give a monkeys what the choose to call themselves. I stand by that.

I agree, I do have an issue with trans women being admitted to places for biological women. I do have an issue with self identification in so far as I don't think it should be recognised as fact.

If it seems that I have issues with trans people going about their daily lives then so be it. Once their life doesn't require me to go along with their belief, I have no issue.

Has it ever affected your life?

Deleted User wrote: »

Is that just for transgenderism or if someone wanted to be addressed as "your highness" would you do that. What if I wanted to be referred to as "sugar daddy". Would you?

If not, then why is it only transgenderism you do it for? I hate to use the term, but it smacks of virtue signalling.

If not being called sugar daddy was provably damaging to your mental health why wouldn't I call you it?

The Specialist

Still waters wrote: »

Obviously not if they identify as female, then its fine as the penis is regarded as being a vagina when on a trans person, they can have lesbian sex I'm also led to believe, lucky lesbians i suppose

A “female penis” I believe it was referred to as earlier- also known as a 404 error.

jaxxx

cdeb wrote: »

This is it.

There are certain markers about you that are inarguable. Your gender - male/female - is one. It can be confirmed by various means. Your age is another. Your skin colour, your height, your fingerprints are all others. Your name and religion are things which can change.

A functioning society depends on certain base facts being agreed upon. We know what year it is and what day it is. We know what words mean - when I say "I don't like tomatoes", I don't mean "Give us a free pint". Base identifiers such as the above also mean certain things.

You can think you're a jellybean for all I care. But you're not a jellybean. If you start seriously demanding jellybean rights, then we can conclude you are more likely to have a mental disorder. Having a mental disorder invalidates your claim to be a jellybean. You are not a jellybean, and have to operate within normal societal rules and definitions for the good of society.

Otherwise you'll have teenagers suing because they identify as 70-year-olds who want access to a state pension. You'll have people identifying as 15-year-olds to get off child porn charges. You'll have people identifying as a 5'2" black person to get off a charge of a bank robbery where CCTV shows the criminal to be a white person 5'10" in height.

This all sounds ridiculous, but a similar case has already been tested in the courts and thrown out, with the judge correctly noting that it "would have a variety of undesirable legal and societal implications". But what's the difference between identifying as an age you're not and identifying as a gender you're not? It's the very question the person in that case put to the court.

Society needs base rules to operate functionally. Waking up in the morning and deciding that you're now a female is not one of those rules.

And that's before we get to the incalculable harm being done by this movement to kids being forced into taking puberty blockers, for example. Scientology doesn't affect me, but as a member of society, I would like it to be shut down because of the harm it does to other people. Same here.

^^^ This.

MrFresh

MrFresh wrote:

Again, most trans people just want to go along with their lives. They don't want to draw attention to themselves. Especially when you have people like drunkmonkey looking to viciously attack them if they do.

A self identifying trans woman (or as some might say, a man) has no place in a women's changing room where there are women of all ages in various states of undress.

I'm sorry, if that stops them getting along with their lives then that is their problem. Just because they want to be a woman or feel like a women, doesn't make them a woman.

It's really that simple.

MrFresh

The Specialist wrote: »

Are you following the discussion? We are talking about trans in changing rooms with young children, particularly young girls. And you are being very disingenuous in your comments about drunkmonkey but it’s to be expected from the likes of you - pick a point and then twist it until you can beat that person with it repeatedly. It won’t work here since most of us know exactly what point that poster was making but it’s lost on you.

Couldn't they just wrap a towel around themselves? It may shock you to learn but not everyone has a need to walk starkers around changing rooms. Id drunkmonkey thought I had misunderstood him he would have had an issue with more than the idea he would derive sexual pleasure from his assault.

drunkmonkey

MrFresh wrote: »

Sexual assault doesn't depend on whether the attacker gets sexual gratification. You used the imagery of anally raping a person with an implement, a prospect that many trans people do actually fear being subjected to.

No you used that image in your head. In my head I saw a chicken on a stick.

If I was waking home outside of a place I feel safe and 2 big girls in dresses with hairy balls were behind me i'd get the fear just like trans women must get scared of gay men.

The Specialist

MrFresh wrote: »

Has it ever affected your life?

Not yet but the way it’s going it will infringe eventually - special pronouns, the likes of JY as a pseudo-female dragging multiple cases through courts for access to female only services, the females that I care about under threat from perverts identifying as female but with male anatomy. Sorry but I’m not accepting that state of the world ever.

cdeb

MrFresh wrote: »

Autism is also not a mental illness.

It's a mental disorder (as Wibbs noted earlier) Though wiki says mental disorders are also called mental illnesses, and I'm not entirely sure what the difference is to be honest.

Regardless, the suggestion that 30% of people claiming to be a different gender to the one that they are could have a genuine mental disorder should be deeply worrying. Not only are we letting men into women's areas, but we're letting men with mental disorders into women's areas.

To deny that possibility is to be an active danger to society. And I do note that you've never commented on the suggestion that puberty blockers for pre-teens until they "decide what gender they are" is outrageously harmful too.

You say this doesn't harm anyone. I say it really does.

Will I Am Not

People who take things literally can go stick a flagpole up their hole.

MrFresh

MrFresh wrote:

I am not an expert on transgenderism, neither is anyone here. That's why I'm happy to go with what the experts do say.

So if you are able to give your opinion without being an expert, please tell me why transgenderism is the only scenario in which you are willing to accept that people are able to change what they are simply by believing it.

MrFresh wrote:

Has it ever affected your life?

Not yet thankfully. But funnily enough, I don't always wait until after the fact to safeguard or prepare for events. My house hasn't been burgled, but I still lock the door.

MrFresh wrote:

If not being called sugar daddy was provably damaging to your mental health why wouldn't I call you it?

Because I'm not your sugar daddy. Plus, what proof do you have from self identifying trans people apart from their word?

The Specialist

Will I Am Not wrote: »

People who take things literally can go stick a flagpole up their hole.

Careful now, hypothetical flags of any description being hypothetically inserted in to hypothetical asses is taken a bit too face value here

MrFresh

Deleted User wrote: »

A self identifying trans woman (or as some might say, a man) has no place in a women's changing room where there are women of all ages in various states of undress.

I'm sorry, if that stops them getting along with their lives then that is their problem. Just because they want to be a woman or feel like a women, doesn't make them a woman.

It's really that simple.

So where would you send a woman who talks like a woman, looks like a woman, acts like a woman but has not yet had her operation? Would you say someone like that would be safe in male changing rooms? What about male prisons?

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No you used that image in your head. In my head I saw a chicken on a stick.

Well at least they can't claim you only wanted to confront him. Like I said, your only issue is the sexual aspect of what I said. You don't deny the physical aspect. Smacks of homophobia. At least the others can stop pretending you didn't mean it literally.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If I was waking home outside of a place I feel safe and 2 big girls in dresses with hairy balls were behind me i'd get the fear just like trans women must get scared of gay men.

The Specialist wrote: »

Not yet but the way it’s going it will infringe eventually - special pronouns, the likes of JY as a pseudo-female dragging multiple cases through courts for access to female only services, the females that I care about under threat from perverts identifying as female but with male anatomy. Sorry but I’m not accepting that state of the world ever.

So it doesn't effect you at all and it hasn't affected anyone you know but you are determined to stop it on the possibility a predator might try and use self identification to get into a woman's space.

cdeb wrote: »

It's a mental disorder (as Wibbs noted earlier) Though wiki says mental disorders are also called mental illnesses, and I'm not entirely sure what the difference is to be honest.

Regardless, the suggestion that 30% of people claiming to be a different gender to the one that they are could have a genuine mental disorder should be deeply worrying. Not only are we letting men into women's areas, but we're letting men with mental disorders into women's areas.

To deny that possibility is to be an active danger to society. And I do note that you've never commented on the suggestion that puberty blockers for pre-teens until they "decide what gender they are" is outrageously harmful too.

You say this doesn't harm anyone. I say it really does.

You think people are more dangerous when they have autism?

TomSweeney

My wife works with kids with learning difficulties, ADHD, Dyslexia etc - she does assesments and treatment plans for them,
as she is in the field she comes across some strange cases.
One such case of a kid she did an assesment on - nice girl 16, but had some other issues, so she was referred to the psychiatrist.
A lot of these cases are teenagers that are depressed and have problems and for some reason they believe if they transition they won't
have the issue as they think "Boys/Girls don't face these issues" which I kind of understand, I went through dark times when I was 16/17
and remember thinking how easy it must be for girls - crazy, and of course never had the idea of a sex change.

She was self harming and the hack doctor recommended to the parents they start the process - hormone replacement therapy as his logic was
if they don't do it now, it will be tougher in the future.

It didn't solve the issues and the now he continued to self harm so they needed to prescribe these anti psychotic drugs - which has side effects.
He is now overweight and the drugs effect his speech and he is semi catatonic and just mumbling and drooling, my wife said she was almost in tears
when she saw him.

From a nice slim girl to a fat slavering boy, that is like Jack Nicholson at the end of One Flew over the Cuckoo's nest.
So sad.

Beware of hack doctors, it's not always the case but a lot of times it's other psychiatric issues at play here.

The litigation cases in the future will be interesting.

MrFresh

Deleted User wrote: »

So if you are able to give your opinion without being an expert, please tell me why transgenderism is the only scenario in which you are willing to accept that people are able to change what they are simply by believing it.

Because it is medically recognised to be so.

Deleted User wrote: »

Not yet thankfully. But funnily enough, I don't always wait until after the fact to safeguard or prepare for events. My house hasn't been burgled, but I still lock the door.

How does the burglary rate compare to the rate of transgender women attacking other women in female spaces in Ireland? You're comparing something that is extremely common to something that hasn't even happened in Ireland.

Deleted User wrote: »

Because I'm not your sugar daddy. Plus, what proof do you have from self identifying trans people apart from their word?

I don't require proof.

cdeb

MrFresh wrote: »

You think people are more dangerous when they have autism?

I think there's an inherent danger to societal order when people with mental disorders start calling shots.

But you knew that of course, because I said it earlier. So the above is just the usual attempt to misrepresent me.

Care to discuss the dangers about giving puberty blockers to pre-teens, which wiki says are "commonly used for the transgender community"? Giving kids drugs like this has been mentioned a number of times on the thread, but you've ignored it every time.

Glass fused light

MrFresh

So if you want to pull a guilt card back it up with proof
What are the suicide rates and where is the data from

Could the women/men on here also have a example of how a woman is able to identify a trans woman from other male bodied people

Plus who should cover their bodies in the womans space

Glass fused light

Double post

MrFresh

MrFresh wrote:

So where would you send a woman who talks like a woman, looks like a woman, acts like a woman but has not yet had her operation? Would you say someone like that would be safe in male changing rooms? What about male prisons?

You can walk like a woman, talk like a woman, look like a woman and act like a woman, but I'm sorry, if you have a cock and balls, you aren't a woman. So yes, the male changing area would be most suitable.

Perhaps we change it from male and female changing rooms to "cock" or "fanny" changing rooms.

So are you implying that because of how they act, they can now choose to be out in a woman's prison even though they are men?

What is to stop hardened criminals or sex offenders acting like women, growing their hair out and talking like a woman in order to gain access to women's prisons?

What is the criteria in your opinion that would qualify a man to be allowed access to a womens prison? How would you make the decision of who goes where? Genuine question.

The Specialist

MrFresh wrote: »

So it doesn't effect you at all and it hasn't affected anyone you know but you are determined to stop it on the possibility a predator might try and use self identification to get into a woman's space.

You are absolutely correct. Why take the risk?

MrFresh

cdeb wrote: »

I think there's an inherent danger to societal order when people with mental disorders start calling shots.

But you knew that of course, because I said it earlier. So the above is just the usual attempt to misrepresent me.

Nope, just trying to figure out why you keep bringing up autism.

cdeb wrote: »

Care to discuss the dangers about giving puberty blockers to pre-teens, which wiki says are "commonly used for the transgender community"? Giving kids drugs like this has been mentioned a number of times on the thread, but you've ignored it every time.

What about them?

lawlolawl

MrFresh wrote: »

Couldn't they just wrap a towel around themselves? It may shock you to learn but not everyone has a need to walk starkers around changing rooms.

So women should feel uncomfortable and have to change their behavior to accommodate some guy who says he is a woman and wants to be around them in their most compromised state?

cdeb

Glass fused light wrote: »

So if you want to pull a guilt card back it up with proof
What are the suicide rates and where is the data from

Could the women/men on here also have a example of how a woman is able to identify a trans woman from other male bodied people

Plus who should cover their bodies in the womans space

It's also important to note any changes in suicide rate as a result of any operation.

I understand transgender people - possibly due to the high rates of inherent mental disorders - do suffer from higher suicide rates than normal. But those rates are similar among those who have had an operation and who haven't. In other words, the operation doesn't achieve anything in that regard.

Like, this is obviously a really sad thing to be discussing, but it still has to be done properly, or else we get nowhere.

Some want to shame "normal" society into accepting the blame for this high suicide rate. And to try shame someone into accepting responsibility for a suicide which, while unfortunate, is nothing to do with them is ****ing disgusting.

drunkmonkey

Topless-OK youth LGBTQ2S+ swim proposal delayed by Township of Langley
The event, proposed by 32-year-old transgender activist Jessica Yaniv – formerly known as Jonathan Yaniv – was aimed at those age 12 and up, with no upper age limit, and would prohibit the youths’ parents and caretakers from attending
https://www.vancourier.com/sports/genital-waxing-complainant-s-topless-ok-youth-lgbtq2s-swim-proposal-delayed-by-township-of-langley-1.23895812

Canada's gone full retard, you never go full retard.

Now now. I wasn't trying to compare them side to side. I was showing an example of not waiting until something has affected you before you take steps to protect yourself from it happening.

If I said something was like the straw that broke the camels back, would you be quizzing me on the amount of straws it takes to break the back and how many times have I injured camels? Along with the flagpole stuff, you really do lack any nuance or awareness of how people speak.

Why don't you require any proof from self identifying trans people?

MrFresh

Glass fused light wrote: »

MrFresh

So if you want to pull a guilt card back it up with proof
What are the suicide rates and where is the data from

Could the women/men on here also have a example of how a woman is able to identify a trans woman from other male bodied people

Plus who should cover their bodies in the womans space

There's quite a few reports on it from around different countries. I thought it was common knowledge.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-transgender-teen-suicide/trans-teens-much-more-likely-to-attempt-suicide-idUSKCN1LS39K

Deleted User wrote: »

You can walk like a woman, talk like a woman, look like a woman and act like a woman, but I'm sorry, if you have a cock and balls, you aren't a woman. So yes, the male changing area would be most suitable.

So you'd similarly have no issue with someone who looks like a male in every way and has the mannerisms of a male and the voice of a male being in a changing room with your daughter? Body hair, body odour all that.

Deleted User wrote: »

So are you implying that because of how they act, they can now choose to be out in a woman's prison even though they are men?

What is to stop hardened criminals or sex offenders acting like women, growing their hair out and talking like a woman in order to gain access to women's prisons?

What is the criteria in your opinion that would qualify a man to be allowed access to a womens prison? How would you make the decision of who goes where? Genuine question.

Psychiatric assessment.

The Specialist wrote: »

You are absolutely correct. Why take the risk?

Why risk going outside tomorrow? You're more likely to be mugged or hit by a car then what you fear.

MrFresh

MrFresh wrote:

So you'd similarly have no issue with someone who looks like a male in every way and has the mannerisms of a male and the voice of a male being in a changing room with your daughter? Body hair, body odour all that.

There are some hairy women out there with deep voices. Should they be in mens changing rooms?

MrFresh wrote:

Psychiatric assessment.

So self I'd isn't good enough now?

How come?

MrFresh

lawlolawl wrote: »

So women should feel uncomfortable and have to change their behavior to accommodate some guy who says he is a woman and wants to be around them in their most compromised state?

No, they shouldn't feel uncomfortable.

Deleted User wrote: »

Now now. I wasn't trying to compare them side to side. I was showing an example of not waiting until something has affected you before you take steps to protect yourself from it happening.

If I said something was like the straw that broke the camels back, would you be quizzing me on the amount of straws it takes to break the back and how many times have I injured camels? Along with the flagpole stuff, you really do lack any nuance or awareness of how people speak.

I'm aware of what you were doing. Doesn't change the point. Why are you preparing for something so remote in possibility?

Deleted User wrote: »

Why don't you require any proof from self identifying trans people?

Same reason if someone says they are blind I don't demand an eye test.

MrFresh

Deleted User wrote: »

There are some hairy women out there with deep voices. Should they be in mens changing rooms?

If they want. Doesn't bother me. Would it bother you?

Deleted User wrote: »

So self I'd isn't good enough now?

How come?

Because the state has an obligation to be aware of any medical conditions of prisoners and to be able to ensure their safety. Psychiatric assessment is a non invasive way to ensure the condition is genuine and proper accommodation is made.