Lady can't have her hairy balls waxed [mod notes/warnings in post #1]

ohnonotgmail

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ladies, here are the people who represent you, who understand your lived experience, who know what you go through from birth.

Perhaps you might be good enough to tell us who these people are that we are supposed to despise.

Glass fused light

Penn wrote: »

you can pick the most extreme examples of any particular group and use them to denigrate the group as a whole.

Do you think she is trans or has mental health issues to say she is a women who thinks she is a man who thinks he is a woman?

These are the people who are in the public eye.

Most of the ones who ID as lesbian trans women that I have seen on twitter dont come across as nice people.

The whole transing DNA is IMO a direct attack on the word female(male).

The denial of sexual transing of sex offenders.
The loss to womens sports
The suicide selling to shut debate and justify violence against GC women
Etc

To me its just queer theory jumping on the body dymorphic people and seeing how far they can push it.

People can do what they want but if i dont agree i have a right to object.

I have no belief that either sex can trans 100% . People may not like their body or not feel a specific sex however physical and socialisation infulances are distinguible in some areas but indistinguible in others.

For me Its like saying anyone who has never had a baby can self id as someone who has carried one.

Women who have birthed a baby need words
Women who misscarry need words
Women need words to describe female things and experience

When i see a trans ally man waxing lyrically about forcing someone to waxing a vagina, with no idea about consent issues, yes i am going to laugh. Not because they are trans but because they dont have an idea about what they are talking about

If i am not a " trans ally " pointing out homophobia in calling a man a lesbian. Should i prove i am one by denying biology?

Wibbs

klaaaz wrote: »

Self ID has been here since 2015, how come all the outrage 4 years later? Or is it only outrage when it happens in a country nearly 6000km away?

Maybe because some among the trans lobby are coming across as more loud and more aggressive in their pushing of a particular agenda that comes across at best as odd, at worst as downright insane and frankly troubling.

MrFresh

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ladies, here are the people who represent you, who understand your lived experience, who know what you go through from birth.

What are you talking about? You'd swear there were no non-trans people in politics. And since when can you only be represented by someone who's gender you identify with?

ceadaoin.

MrFresh wrote: »

What are you talking about? You'd swear there were no non-trans people in politics. And since when can you only be represented by someone who's gender you identify with?

Well I expect that a person specifically representing women should have more than a couple of years experience of living as one and maybe not dish out abuse to women online. Perhaps a teenager isn't the best person for the job in general

banie01

DanDan6592 wrote: »

The fact that this is boards policy is making want to end my association with the site tbh. I also don't understand why such a policy should extend beyond the LGBT forum.

I'll be quite honest.
There was a point yesterday when I read a reply over on the moderation thread on feedback that struck me as incredibly tone deaf, high handed and needlessly antagonistic of for want of a better description is the "majority report".

But it's Boards site, their house, their rules.
That the stance taken by those in the office is inherently flawed, well there's not much I can do about that.

That I think it's a clear and uncompromising imposition of groupthink and newspeak doesn't matter a bit I suppose

Yesterday I did come very close to closing my acxount.
I felt quite demeaned by the stance HQ has taken, but when has leaving ever fixed anything other than leaving the cause out of sight?

The blanket defence offered to people like JY who many believe are gaming a system is worrying.
Our LGBT community has struggled for recognition, rights and all too often safety, without being alarmist that the hard won acceptance is being undermined and damaged by people like JY and others and those same people are still being defended is something that is quite worrying.

mcmoustache

klaaaz wrote: »

Self ID has been here since 2015, how come all the outrage 4 years later? Or is it only outrage when it happens in a country nearly 6000km away?

I guess it's becoming more of an issue now because we are seeing the consequences of it. I would guess that in 2015, this wasn't on many people's radar and if it was, people may have accepted "That would never happen" as a response to their concerns. I know that I wasn't really paying attention and my posts on here were more concerned with the marriage equality referendum, the iona institute and quackery. So really, I don't have a good answer to your first question.

On your second one, while the topic of the thread is about someone in Canada, similar things have happened in the UK and even here, a trans woman was moved to the women's prison in Mountjoy. While prisoners probably aren't the most sympathetic class of people, a legal situation where this can happen is also one where trans women can enter the facilities of more vulnerable women such as those in domestic abuse shelters.

And while that concern has been echoed by bigots and transphobes in bad faith, it has also been a genuine concern of women's representative groups who have been unfairly branded terfs as though they all woke up one day and decided among themselves to become bigots.

The main problem with self-id is that it doesn't distinguish between someone who changes their life due to gender dysphoria and some píss-taker who likes to cosplay as a gender stereotype. These are two different types of people and self id just makes the plight of the first type meaningless.

ceadaoin.

mcmoustache wrote: »

On your second one, while the topic of the thread is about someone in Canada, similar things have happened in the UK and even here, a trans woman was moved to the women's prison in Mountjoy. While prisoners probably aren't the most sympathetic class of people, a legal situation where this can happen is also one where trans women can enter the facilities of more vulnerable women such as those in domestic abuse shelters.
.

I agree with you but just want to point out that women in prison are very vulnerable, the same as those in shelters. The majority have been subjected to domestic abuse from a male at some point in their lives and many have experienced sexual abuse also and have mental health and substance abuse issues. With most women imprisoned for non violent offences, their profile is completely different to male offenders

ingalway

MrFresh wrote:

What are you talking about? You'd swear there were no non-trans people in politics. And since when can you only be represented by someone who's gender you identify with?

At the very least I do expect a Women's/Equality Officer to be a woman. A woman who has experienced life as a woman. Not someone who may believe they are a woman and that they have a "lady brain".

klaaaz

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe because some among the trans lobby are coming across as more loud and more aggressive in their pushing of a particular agenda that comes across at best as odd, at worst as downright insane and frankly troubling.

Any of that in Ireland? Don't recall any objections from anyone in the legal, political, various civil rights organisations etc and especially no objections from the beloved twitterati about self ID starting here in 2015.

Self ID exists within the EU in Ireland, Denmark, Malta, Greece, Belgium and Portugal being the latest. There was no uproar about self ID in any of these countries?

drunkmonkey

klaaaz wrote: »

Any of that in Ireland? Don't recall any objections from anyone in the legal, political, various civil rights organisations etc and especially no objections from the beloved twitterati about self ID starting here in 2015.

Of course your didn't as anyone who dare speak out was shot down and branded a bigot, homophobic, transphobic and yourself yesterday questioned was I a priest.

The uprising has begun within the LGB community and the outside community. Jesus Feminists are even asking men to help them battle this crap from the Trans community.

drunkmonkey

klaaaz wrote: »

Any of that in Ireland? Don't recall any objections from anyone in the legal, political, various civil rights organisations etc and especially no objections from the beloved twitterati about self ID starting here in 2015.

Self ID exists within the EU in Ireland, Denmark, Malta, Greece, Belgium and Portugal being the latest. There was no uproar about self ID in any of these countries?

Open your eyes..

Report says trans lobbying groups 'captured' public policy, putting women and girls at risk!
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17800511.snp-women-39-s-convener-criticised-insisting-canadian-trans-woman-jessica-yaniv-39-female-predator-39/

p1akuw47h5r3it

banie01 wrote: »

I'll be quite honest.
There was a point yesterday when I read a reply over on the moderation thread on feedback that struck me as incredibly tone deaf, high handed and needlessly antagonistic of for want of a better description is the "majority report".

But it's Boards site, their house, their rules.
That the stance taken by those in the office is inherently flawed, well there's not much I can do about that.

That I think it's a clear and uncompromising imposition of groupthink and newspeak doesn't matter a bit I suppose

Yesterday I did come very close to closing my acxount.
I felt quite demeaned by the stance HQ has taken, but when has leaving ever fixed anything other than leaving the cause out of sight?

The blanket defence offered to people like JY who many believe are gaming a system is worrying.
Our LGBT community has struggled for recognition, rights and all too often safety, without being alarmist that the hard won acceptance is being undermined and damaged by people like JY and others and those same people are still being defended is something that is quite worrying.

Ye I've come to the same conclusion.

It'd be a bit petty aswell to close my account over it anyway.

klaaaz

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Of course your didn't as anyone who dare speak out was shot down and branded a bigot, homophobic, transphobic and yourself yesterday questioned was I a priest.

That was a pastor not a priest as you had used similar language to a pastor.

We don't live under a totalitarian dictatorship in Ireland so your analysis is quite wrong.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The uprising has begun within the LGB community and the outside community. Jesus Feminists are even asking men to help them battle this crap from the Trans community.

What are Jesus Feminists, religious holy feminists?

p1akuw47h5r3it

klaaaz wrote: »

That was a pastor not a priest as you had used similar language to a pastor.

We don't live under a totalitarian dictatorship in Ireland so your analysis is quite wrong.



What are Jesus Feminists, religious holy feminists?

He meant Jesus as in Jesus!!!

Surely you're not that much of a half-wit?

drunkmonkey

klaaaz wrote: »

That was a pastor not a priest as you had used similar language to a pastor.

We don't live under a totalitarian dictatorship in Ireland so your analysis is quite wrong.
What are Jesus Feminists, religious holy feminists?

Ahh your old rise them up and report them trick. Worked for you yesterday kiddo. Goodbye!

drunkmonkey

DanDan6592 wrote: »

He meant Jesus as in Jesus!!!

Surely you're not that much of a half-wit.

He's bateing you don't fall for it, he'll report you. Seems to be the typical trans tactic around here.
Just ignore him.

Should we get back at the topic at hand for a few posts? Who thinks the women in question were right to not do what was requested?

banie01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Should we get back at the topic at hand for a few posts? Who thinks the women in question were right to not do what was requested?

The beauticians were perfectly correct to refuse the waxing.
There is a considerable difference between carrying out a back, sack and crack and a Brazilian.

They are in no way comparable procedures in time, technique or training or in volume of consumables used.
Unless the stance one wishes to take is that "waxing is waxing" they are not like for like procedures?

It's not a lady penis, it's male genitalia and unless the ladies in question had explicitly said yes to performing a male genital specific waxing?
Their refusal to proceed is perfectly warranted IMHO.

Sittingpretty

banie01 wrote: »

The beauticians were perfectly correct to refuse the waxing.
There is a considerable difference between carrying out a back, sack and crack and a Brazilian.

They are in no way comparable procedures in time, technique or training or in volume of consumables used.
Unless the stance one wishes to take is that "waxing is waxing" they are not like for like procedures?

It's not a lady penis, it's male genitalia and unless the ladies in question had explicitly said yes to performing a male genital specific waxing?
Their refusal to proceed is perfectly warranted IMHO.

“Lady penis”. How does anyone actually say that and expect agreement and recognition?

mcmoustache

klaaaz wrote: »

Any of that in Ireland? Don't recall any objections from anyone in the legal, political, various civil rights organisations etc and especially no objections from the beloved twitterati about self ID starting here in 2015.

Self ID exists within the EU in Ireland, Denmark, Malta, Greece, Belgium and Portugal being the latest. There was no uproar about self ID in any of these countries?

No doubt part of the uproar now is fuelled by right-wing outrage mongers and Russian propaganda using the issue as a stick to beat social liberalism with. In fact, I'd say that the most of threads opened in here on transgender issues were started by the types of people for whom the term "the left" makes up a large part of their vocabulary.

This has actually been a bit of a problem for me in these sorts of threads - it feels dirty to be agreeing with these kinds of people. In a lot of cases these are the misogynists and homophobes who were on the wrong side of the argument during the gay marriage and 8th referendum so I already have my views on them and the idea that we would agree on something just doesn't sit right with me.

Unfortunately, they aren't too far wrong on this issue, even if their motivation is suspect.

isohon

What about an intersex person?

mcmoustache

Deleted User wrote: »

Should we get back at the topic at hand for a few posts? Who thinks the women in question were right to not do what was requested?

I too would be curious to hear the argument in favour of forcing women to wax a ballsack. I'm not sure you'll find any, though, because the idea that they should suck it up and wax is probably only mainstream in fetish subreddits.

banie01

mcmoustache wrote: »

Unfortunately, they aren't too far wrong on this issue, even if their motivation is suspect.

I feel your conflict on this point.
So many of the people who are shaping the discourse were IMO on the wrong side and opposed to so much of our socially progressive recent change.
That I feel as if by having a similar view, I'm going to be tainted by them.

banie01

Sittingpretty wrote: »

“Lady penis”. How does anyone actually say that and expect agreement and recognition?

Me? Or JY?

ingalway

drunkmonkey wrote:

Ahh your old rise them up and report them trick. Worked for you yesterday kiddo. Goodbye!

I really hope that you and others do not leave. It's good to have this topic discussed. Compared to places like Twitter this is so dignified and restrained! Some enjoy putting out the bait but best to ignore it, they really hate that.
It's too important an issue for everyone and it's great to have male support.

Sittingpretty

banie01 wrote: »

Me? Or JY?

Anyone using the term and expecting credence from others I suppose.

Omackeral

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's bateing you don't fall for it, he'll report you. Seems to be the typical trans tactic around here.
Just ignore him.

Careful with that...

vladmydad

banie01 wrote: »

I feel your conflict on this point.
So many of the people who are shaping the discourse were IMO on the wrong side and opposed to so much of our socially progressive recent change.
That I feel as if by having a similar view, I'm going to be tainted by them.

Tainted by people who have a traditional view of marriage, by prolife folk ? Jesus, how ironic that you cannot see you are being just as intolerant as this ball sack person. This gender crap developed from your intolerance for people with conservative views or differing opinions. To have a historical view on marriage or to be prolife are perfectly legitimate views , forcing people to shave balls isn’t or deny biology and facts isn’t.

mad muffin

Deleted User wrote: »

Should we get back at the topic at hand for a few posts? Who thinks the women in question were right to not do what was requested?

Aye!

They had the use of any salon that was willing to do it. They chose to go after ones they knew wouldn’t because they only do females. Born and bread dyed in the wool females with actual female parts.